Happened to be with three Greenwich councillors today, including the mayor.
Wasn't the time or place for a full on rant about the parking but said that there was a lot of unhappiness and that they should expect a lot of emails.
The mayor was quite sympathetic.
Followed up on this with one of the councillors I met. The response from one was "Be assured that this decision needs to be reviewed."
How much influence councillors have over such decisions or whether he is just humouring me, I don't know but if you don't ask, you don't get and he did copy in some other councillors including the Chair of the transport committee.
So if you have the time it might be worth emailing some of them with a POLITE message pointing out the damage to local businesses, the impact on the work of the football club and community trust and the knock on affect on surrounding streets on the edges of the parking zone.
The issue isn’t whether “councillors” have influence, but which councillors. Executive members (cabinet) can always overrule officers unless what they want to do is unlawful.
The mayor’s view - as the mayor - is completely irrelevant though in a cabinet and leader system.
It wasn't the mayor making the comment
It's wasn't the mayor makeing the coment to you, but some have emailed the mayor.
Happened to be with three Greenwich councillors today, including the mayor.
Wasn't the time or place for a full on rant about the parking but said that there was a lot of unhappiness and that they should expect a lot of emails.
The mayor was quite sympathetic.
Followed up on this with one of the councillors I met. The response from one was "Be assured that this decision needs to be reviewed."
How much influence councillors have over such decisions or whether he is just humouring me, I don't know but if you don't ask, you don't get and he did copy in some other councillors including the Chair of the transport committee.
So if you have the time it might be worth emailing some of them with a POLITE message pointing out the damage to local businesses, the impact on the work of the football club and community trust and the knock on affect on surrounding streets on the edges of the parking zone.
The issue isn’t whether “councillors” have influence, but which councillors. Executive members (cabinet) can always overrule officers unless what they want to do is unlawful.
The mayor’s view - as the mayor - is completely irrelevant though in a cabinet and leader system.
It wasn't the mayor making the comment
I didn’t say it was. I’m aware though that people are thoroughly confused about the difference between directly elected and ceremonial mayors. The latter have no power other than, in most cases, to chair the council meeting.
To add to the confusion, Lewisham has a directly elected mayor. Greenwich, Bexley and Bromley have a ceremonial mayor chosen by councillors each year. They get to wear fancy dress.
Just for anyone who comes and parks in the Bowen Drive estate, which whilst residents only wasn't actually enforced, we now have NPC signs up everywhere and permits for residents so you will be fined from now on
Happened to be with three Greenwich councillors today, including the mayor.
Wasn't the time or place for a full on rant about the parking but said that there was a lot of unhappiness and that they should expect a lot of emails.
The mayor was quite sympathetic.
Followed up on this with one of the councillors I met. The response from one was "Be assured that this decision needs to be reviewed."
How much influence councillors have over such decisions or whether he is just humouring me, I don't know but if you don't ask, you don't get and he did copy in some other councillors including the Chair of the transport committee.
So if you have the time it might be worth emailing some of them with a POLITE message pointing out the damage to local businesses, the impact on the work of the football club and community trust and the knock on affect on surrounding streets on the edges of the parking zone.
Another consideration to flag is Equality, Diversity and Inclusion, which the Council is statutorily required to have due regard to. I suspect that a high number of those who drive to games are likely to be those with mobility issues which makes public transport difficult - so disabled, elderly or young people. So it will also be helpful to reference anyone you go to games with who fit in those categories
Can some-one please tell me whether these new parking restrictions are in force yet? As it's a 5.30 kick off pn a Sunday our normal parking is not available.
Can some-one please tell me whether these new parking restrictions are in force yet? As it's a 5.30 kick off pn a Sunday our normal parking is not available.
Received this e Mail from RBG - Doesn’t look particularly hopeful.
Dear David,
Thank you for contacting the Mayor of Royal Borough of Greenwich, Cllr Dominic Mbang regarding your concerns about the proposed match day parking restrictions around the Charlton Athletic stadium.
The Mayor, Cllr Dominic Mbang has now received the following response from Council Transports Team.
Transport is the second biggest source of emissions in the Royal Borough of Greenwich. We need to cut emissions, improve air quality, encourage the use of more sustainable modes of transport, and create a climate resilient transport network. Match day parking controls are one measure that would contribute towards the Council being able to deliver its ambitious targets to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2030 in line with its Carbon Neutral Plan, its Transport Strategy, and its Kerbside Management and Policy Framework Action Plan 2022.
Parking controls can also support the Council in seeking to improve road safety and accessibility. Waiting restrictions at key locations such as junctions and crossing points help reduce the risk of inconsiderate and obstructive parking, improving sight lines, maintaining the free flow of traffic and keeping crossing points clear for pedestrians.
At a local level, a key aim of this proposal is to reduce congestion and the increased demand on limited kerb space caused by increased traffic levels on match days. These concerns were highlighted in a recent consultation in which residents of the area surrounding the stadium highlighted their concerns about high traffic levels on residential roads and being unable to park near their homes. In highlighting their concerns, residents have asked the Council to consider introducing match day parking controls.
Council officers have communicated with the club throughout this process, providing information in advance of consultation and responding to questions and queries that have been raised. While it is acknowledged that match day parking controls would have an impact on travel arrangement for some supports, we must recognise the negative impact this is causing to resident in the surrounding area and understand this is not sustainable in the long term.
That said, some parking provision for non-permit holders will remain available in this area, should match day parking controls be introduced. Details of which can be found on the Council’s consultation webpage which you can view by clicking here.Charlton Match Day Parking Controls.
The consultation will be open until the 8thNovember. After which, officers will consider all comments made in response to that consultation, both in support and against the proposal, and will report their findings, together with recommendations, to the Cabinet Member for Climate Change, Environment who will make a final decision.
Received this e Mail from RBG - Doesn’t look particularly hopeful.
Dear David,
Thank you for contacting the Mayor of Royal Borough of Greenwich, Cllr Dominic Mbang regarding your concerns about the proposed match day parking restrictions around the Charlton Athletic stadium.
The Mayor, Cllr Dominic Mbang has now received the following response from Council Transports Team.
Transport is the second biggest source of emissions in the Royal Borough of Greenwich. We need to cut emissions, improve air quality, encourage the use of more sustainable modes of transport, and create a climate resilient transport network. Match day parking controls are one measure that would contribute towards the Council being able to deliver its ambitious targets to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2030 in line with its Carbon Neutral Plan, its Transport Strategy, and its Kerbside Management and Policy Framework Action Plan 2022.
Parking controls can also support the Council in seeking to improve road safety and accessibility. Waiting restrictions at key locations such as junctions and crossing points help reduce the risk of inconsiderate and obstructive parking, improving sight lines, maintaining the free flow of traffic and keeping crossing points clear for pedestrians.
At a local level, a key aim of this proposal is to reduce congestion and the increased demand on limited kerb space caused by increased traffic levels on match days. These concerns were highlighted in a recent consultation in which residents of the area surrounding the stadium highlighted their concerns about high traffic levels on residential roads and being unable to park near their homes. In highlighting their concerns, residents have asked the Council to consider introducing match day parking controls.
Council officers have communicated with the club throughout this process, providing information in advance of consultation and responding to questions and queries that have been raised. While it is acknowledged that match day parking controls would have an impact on travel arrangement for some supports, we must recognise the negative impact this is causing to resident in the surrounding area and understand this is not sustainable in the long term.
That said, some parking provision for non-permit holders will remain available in this area, should match day parking controls be introduced. Details of which can be found on the Council’s consultation webpage which you can view by clicking here.Charlton Match Day Parking Controls.
The consultation will be open until the 8thNovember. After which, officers will consider all comments made in response to that consultation, both in support and against the proposal, and will report their findings, together with recommendations, to the Cabinet Member for Climate Change, Environment who will make a final decision.
Many thanks
Miss Raj Johal-Rai
Mayor’s Office
Communities, Environment and Central
Royal Borough of Greenwich
Sounds very ‘open minded’ to the consultation doesn’t it 😉
Why not just tell the club to move out and do it instead n the name of being ‘green’.
The tone implies the consultation is purely a tick box exercise.
Received this e Mail from RBG - Doesn’t look particularly hopeful.
Dear David,
Thank you for contacting the Mayor of Royal Borough of Greenwich, Cllr Dominic Mbang regarding your concerns about the proposed match day parking restrictions around the Charlton Athletic stadium.
The Mayor, Cllr Dominic Mbang has now received the following response from Council Transports Team.
Transport is the second biggest source of emissions in the Royal Borough of Greenwich. We need to cut emissions, improve air quality, encourage the use of more sustainable modes of transport, and create a climate resilient transport network. Match day parking controls are one measure that would contribute towards the Council being able to deliver its ambitious targets to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2030 in line with its Carbon Neutral Plan, its Transport Strategy, and its Kerbside Management and Policy Framework Action Plan 2022.
Parking controls can also support the Council in seeking to improve road safety and accessibility. Waiting restrictions at key locations such as junctions and crossing points help reduce the risk of inconsiderate and obstructive parking, improving sight lines, maintaining the free flow of traffic and keeping crossing points clear for pedestrians.
At a local level, a key aim of this proposal is to reduce congestion and the increased demand on limited kerb space caused by increased traffic levels on match days. These concerns were highlighted in a recent consultation in which residents of the area surrounding the stadium highlighted their concerns about high traffic levels on residential roads and being unable to park near their homes. In highlighting their concerns, residents have asked the Council to consider introducing match day parking controls.
Council officers have communicated with the club throughout this process, providing information in advance of consultation and responding to questions and queries that have been raised. While it is acknowledged that match day parking controls would have an impact on travel arrangement for some supports, we must recognise the negative impact this is causing to resident in the surrounding area and understand this is not sustainable in the long term.
That said, some parking provision for non-permit holders will remain available in this area, should match day parking controls be introduced. Details of which can be found on the Council’s consultation webpage which you can view by clicking here.Charlton Match Day Parking Controls.
The consultation will be open until the 8thNovember. After which, officers will consider all comments made in response to that consultation, both in support and against the proposal, and will report their findings, together with recommendations, to the Cabinet Member for Climate Change, Environment who will make a final decision.
Many thanks
Miss Raj Johal-Rai
Mayor’s Office
Communities, Environment and Central
Royal Borough of Greenwich
Sounds very ‘open minded’ to the consultation doesn’t it 😉
Why not just tell the club to move out and do it instead n the name of being ‘green’.
The tone implies the consultation is purely a tick box exercise.
Unfortunately they all are, as is the tactic of suggesting that this is the idea of residents...
Reading this article, there are only 20 residents who replied to the consultation that said they are in favour. It would appear that the council wish to drive this through purely to raise revenue against the wishes of just about everyone. Disgraceful. They are meant to be working for the people of Greenwich, not against them.
Just confirms that we no longer live in a democracy.
I have heard that a meeting held today has put this on hold due to pressure from a charlton based internet forum a petition and input from the club. They still want to get it passed so its not over yet but it's out in the open and not behind our backs.
Has anyone contacted local businesses such as pubs and shoos who receive a significant amount of business on match days to get them to canvass the Council. I know some businesses relied on match day footfall
I have heard that a meeting held today has put this on hold due to pressure from a charlton based internet forum a petition and input from the club. They still want to get it passed so its not over yet but it's out in the open and not behind our backs.
I have heard that a meeting held today has put this on hold due to pressure from a charlton based internet forum a petition and input from the club. They still want to get it passed so its not over yet but it's out in the open and not behind our backs.
We all know it's simply about the council's selfish motive to raise money. If the councillors feel their positions are under threat they may think again.
Just think, we spent all that time & effort to get back to The Valley & now the council say they dont want us there. Charming.
So many "lols" in that reply I dont know where to start. Local residents can't park because there is a football club in the way. I bet none of those residents were there before the ground was built.
Received this e Mail from RBG - Doesn’t look particularly hopeful.
Dear David,
Thank you for contacting the Mayor of Royal Borough of Greenwich, Cllr Dominic Mbang regarding your concerns about the proposed match day parking restrictions around the Charlton Athletic stadium.
The Mayor, Cllr Dominic Mbang has now received the following response from Council Transports Team.
Transport is the second biggest source of emissions in the Royal Borough of Greenwich. We need to cut emissions, improve air quality, encourage the use of more sustainable modes of transport, and create a climate resilient transport network. Match day parking controls are one measure that would contribute towards the Council being able to deliver its ambitious targets to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2030 in line with its Carbon Neutral Plan, its Transport Strategy, and its Kerbside Management and Policy Framework Action Plan 2022.
Parking controls can also support the Council in seeking to improve road safety and accessibility. Waiting restrictions at key locations such as junctions and crossing points help reduce the risk of inconsiderate and obstructive parking, improving sight lines, maintaining the free flow of traffic and keeping crossing points clear for pedestrians.
At a local level, a key aim of this proposal is to reduce congestion and the increased demand on limited kerb space caused by increased traffic levels on match days. These concerns were highlighted in a recent consultation in which residents of the area surrounding the stadium highlighted their concerns about high traffic levels on residential roads and being unable to park near their homes. In highlighting their concerns, residents have asked the Council to consider introducing match day parking controls.
Council officers have communicated with the club throughout this process, providing information in advance of consultation and responding to questions and queries that have been raised. While it is acknowledged that match day parking controls would have an impact on travel arrangement for some supports, we must recognise the negative impact this is causing to resident in the surrounding area and understand this is not sustainable in the long term.
That said, some parking provision for non-permit holders will remain available in this area, should match day parking controls be introduced. Details of which can be found on the Council’s consultation webpage which you can view by clicking here.Charlton Match Day Parking Controls.
The consultation will be open until the 8thNovember. After which, officers will consider all comments made in response to that consultation, both in support and against the proposal, and will report their findings, together with recommendations, to the Cabinet Member for Climate Change, Environment who will make a final decision.
Many thanks
Miss Raj Johal-Rai
Mayor’s Office
Communities, Environment and Central
Royal Borough of Greenwich
@InspectorSands@Cardinal Sin or any other local resident, we’re you privy to this? Do you know the scale of these concerns? Was it dozens of complaints or could it literally be one individual the council will now use to apply miles of restrictions?
My understanding from a Freedom of Information request was that there were 20 votes in support and 290 against. Democracy in action in RBG. By the way, work on the new bays started yesterday so very clear the Council couldn't care any less what residents think. 'Some parking provisions for non-permit holders' means a few meters on street corners 😂🤣.
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To add to the confusion, Lewisham has a directly elected mayor. Greenwich, Bexley and Bromley have a ceremonial mayor chosen by councillors each year. They get to wear fancy dress.
63% say the restrictions will make them less likely to attend matches (71% of those based in Kent).
Full analysis of outcomes:
https://www.castrust.org/2023/11/parking-restrictions-could-cost-cafc-1-million/
Dear David,
Thank you for contacting the Mayor of Royal Borough of Greenwich, Cllr Dominic Mbang regarding your concerns about the proposed match day parking restrictions around the Charlton Athletic stadium.
The Mayor, Cllr Dominic Mbang has now received the following response from Council Transports Team.
Transport is the second biggest source of emissions in the Royal Borough of Greenwich. We need to cut emissions, improve air quality, encourage the use of more sustainable modes of transport, and create a climate resilient transport network. Match day parking controls are one measure that would contribute towards the Council being able to deliver its ambitious targets to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2030 in line with its Carbon Neutral Plan, its Transport Strategy, and its Kerbside Management and Policy Framework Action Plan 2022.
Parking controls can also support the Council in seeking to improve road safety and accessibility. Waiting restrictions at key locations such as junctions and crossing points help reduce the risk of inconsiderate and obstructive parking, improving sight lines, maintaining the free flow of traffic and keeping crossing points clear for pedestrians.
At a local level, a key aim of this proposal is to reduce congestion and the increased demand on limited kerb space caused by increased traffic levels on match days. These concerns were highlighted in a recent consultation in which residents of the area surrounding the stadium highlighted their concerns about high traffic levels on residential roads and being unable to park near their homes. In highlighting their concerns, residents have asked the Council to consider introducing match day parking controls.
Council officers have communicated with the club throughout this process, providing information in advance of consultation and responding to questions and queries that have been raised. While it is acknowledged that match day parking controls would have an impact on travel arrangement for some supports, we must recognise the negative impact this is causing to resident in the surrounding area and understand this is not sustainable in the long term.
That said, some parking provision for non-permit holders will remain available in this area, should match day parking controls be introduced. Details of which can be found on the Council’s consultation webpage which you can view by clicking here.Charlton Match Day Parking Controls.
The consultation will be open until the 8thNovember. After which, officers will consider all comments made in response to that consultation, both in support and against the proposal, and will report their findings, together with recommendations, to the Cabinet Member for Climate Change, Environment who will make a final decision.
Many thanks
Miss Raj Johal-Rai
Mayor’s Office
Communities, Environment and Central
Royal Borough of Greenwich
Why not just tell the club to move out and do it instead n the name of being ‘green’.
I've said before, if the retail parks were sensible they'd actively advertise parking for football fans
Also, I thought the air would be lovely and clean now seeing as we are in the ulez zone.
If the councillors feel their positions are under threat they may think again.
So many "lols" in that reply I dont know where to start. Local residents can't park because there is a football club in the way. I bet none of those residents were there before the ground was built.
or any other local resident, we’re you privy to this? Do you know the scale of these concerns? Was it dozens of complaints or could it literally be one individual the council will now use to apply miles of restrictions?