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Michael Appleton - March 2025 appointed Shrewsbury manager (p124)
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Most of the managers we have sacked in recent times has been little to do with the supporters. The fan pressure myth that is being put about by the boards unofficial spokesperson (not you) is a shifting of their own failingsShootersHillGuru said:If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.4 -
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.Croydon said:
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?ShootersHillGuru said:If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.0 -
Ipswich was it, that he had that little mental moment and we ended up getting a point?Danny Addick said:
At least Garner showed some passion.AberystwythAddick said:He’s Ben garner in a muscle suit convince me otherwise
Appleton can't even remove his hands from his pockets. Absolutely nothing likeable about him.0 -
Wondering if the sacking will wait until the transfer windows closed, though I’m not sure what’s easier convincing players to join a club with a crap manager or with no-one in charge.0
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The problem was the appointment of Appleton in the first place.
Glad the directors have realised their mistake before he could cause too much damage this season.2 -
at least 2 of the players brought in have played for MA before and said he was a big reason for them comingcfgs said:
I am not so sure I think we are using the DoF method of selecting players to make the manager easier to replace. Scott said a long time ago that we should be 352, long before any manager did.fenaddick said:
He does but this window has made it abundantly clear that Appleton is being given a pretty big saycfgs said:
Plus I think Scott picks the signings anyway.Belv said:
Exactly.Croydon said:
Why would a new manager not work with all the new faces? We're clearly changing playing system anyway, so it could be the ideal time to bring in someone new. What good does it do bringing new players into such a negative environment?ShootersHillGuru said:Over the next couple of weeks we’re going to have to integrate upwards of 7 (?) new players. I’m not sure that integrating a new manager at this point is that good an idea. I don’t believe any of the rumours that there’s an emergency board meeting or that he’s got until Tuesday. If he was going to get sacked he’d be gone today. Tuesday is important and three points will settle the nerves and see the new lads make an impact from then on.
All the players are going to be new to a new manager anyway.0 -
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.Croydon said:
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?ShootersHillGuru said:If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.6 -
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Sections of the fan base have called for the sacking of every manager we’ve had since and including Curbishley whenever the team have a bad run. Appleton wasn’t the correct choice imho but he’s in the chair and we must break the cycle of demanding sackings. My own view is that is that he’ll be gone next season at some point but just like the SMT seem to have realised that we need better quality recruitment for players I hope they realise that the manager choice is key and go for the absolute best candidate they can.mart77 said:
Of all the problems currently facing the club the fans are way down on the list.ShootersHillGuru said:If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.0 -
Throw away another season just for the sake of. Jesus wept2
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Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.Croydon said:
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.Croydon said:
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?ShootersHillGuru said:If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.0 -
I have been vocally critical about the current decision makers but they have at least appeared to admit with actions that they made a mess of Summer recruitment, trying to correct that.
They need to accept they made the same mistake hiring Appleton, correct it before things get even worse.
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You can think that once we have a competent manager in charge.ShootersHillGuru said:
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.Croydon said:
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.Croydon said:
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?ShootersHillGuru said:If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
Anyone wanting Appleton to have more time 'just because' clearly isn't watching the games.8 -
Seasons been long gone for months.Croydon said:Throw away another season just for the sake of. Jesus wept2 -
Curbishley did not leave because of the supporters. Boards/Owners sack ManagersShootersHillGuru said:
Sections of the fan base have called for the sacking of every manager we’ve had since and including Curbishley whenever the team have a bad run. Appleton wasn’t the correct choice imho but he’s in the chair and we must break the cycle of demanding sackings. My own view is that is that he’ll be gone next season at some point but just like the SMT seem to have realised that we need better quality recruitment for players I hope they realise that the manager choice is key and go for the absolute best candidate they can.mart77 said:
Of all the problems currently facing the club the fans are way down on the list.ShootersHillGuru said:If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.7 -
The last two appointments just scream cheap. The player recruitment has changed so the manager selection also has to, any appointment is a risk but we have to start going for in demand people not the last resort option for sensible clubs.ShootersHillGuru said:
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.Croydon said:
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.Croydon said:
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?ShootersHillGuru said:If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.4 -
But you have no other reason other than that. BrilliantShootersHillGuru said:
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.Croydon said:
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.Croydon said:
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?ShootersHillGuru said:If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.
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I didn't like the Appleton appointment from the start , felt unambitious and very middle of the road. If he is to go today like he should , I hope the ownership show the same ambition on getting the new man in as they have done in this transfer window. Go and push the boat out and not another name off the carousel of EFL journeymen.
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Croydon said:Until someone can give a better reason than "we should give him time" then I'll keep challenging it.
Evidence of good coaching? No
Improvement in individual players? No
Good football? No
Clear set up and method of play? No
Good results? No
Experience of success at this level? No
Likeable? No
Give him time though.
Able to readjust a winter beanie without inciting a riot? No7 -
We can’t keep sacking managers but I feel this is where we are.30
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It's not sensible to sack continually sack managers. It was even less sensible to appoint Appleton. He has to go and has to go now.ShootersHillGuru said:
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.Croydon said:
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.Croydon said:
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?ShootersHillGuru said:If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.Since we have been in this league, I have read on here that if Adkins/garner etc don't go we are in danger of going down. Not once did I ever think that could happen! Now with this dude in the dug out, I think there is a strong possibility of that happening
he has to go!!!2 -
So let's get a competent manager in now and hit the ground running for once rather than start the rebuild/appoint a new manager in September againShootersHillGuru said:
Seasons been long gone for months.Croydon said:Throw away another season just for the sake of. Jesus wept6 -
Bowyer lost the dressing room. I know that to be a fact. There were reasons for this and I'd have him back now but he needed to go a bit before he did back then. I think Sandgaard wanted him to leave but didn't want to pay him off which may have cost us a play off place that season. I don't know if Appleton has lost the dressing room but if he has, he has to go, He seems to have lost the fans. I am for giving him a couple of games but that should not be mistaken for thinking he hasn't made errors. The turnaround has to be dramatic for me to want him to stay down the line but he should know he is in last chance saloon and be given the opportunity to get out of it IMO. I am thinking of who we would replace him with which others seem not to be bothering about.The Red Robin said:
Maybe not. But he had similar issues. Struggled to win games if we conceded early towards the end of his time with us and went through a real patch where we couldn’t win. Doing alright at Wimbledon though, which is a long-term project to turnaround.cantersaddick said:Should never have got rid of JackoBowyer losing faith in Sandgaard and leaving was the bigger problem.
My advice to Appleton would be, Thomas may be a problem in a month or so but he seems comfortable in a three and Ness and Jones don't and they are clearly lacking in confidence. They should be dropped on Tuesday night. We have a more natural wing back than T Watson in Asiimwe so that is the other obvious change. Then possibly bring Ladapo on from the bench to help ease him in and start May and Kanu. I think Kanu is close. Edun seems to have woken up to what his role is and should be praised and encouraged to continue like this and we can see where he goes. We don't have a replacement at this stage but we should be looking for one before another striker.1 -
They are going to give him until Tuesday aren’t they? It’s going to be toxic down there Tuesday if he’s still in place.4
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The decision makers also need to look inwardly why we ended up with Appleton who was clearly not anywhere near the top of our list.
Some will claim its because managers thought our fans are too negative or how quickly they sacked Holden, I believe that is nonsense.
I expect it was more to do with ideologies like the 8/8/8 squad building.
Trying to sell to a proven quality or rising star manager that we will never provide a first 11 of promotion quality and that a third of your squad needs to be from the academy no matter the current crops ability.
I honestly find it baffling that they publicised this to us.2 -
I think it’s fine to sack a manager if the team have been vastly underperforming for as long as we have, as long as the next person you bring in has a proven record at this level.
In my mind there is no point in sacking Appleton if you are just going to bring in another journeyman league one manager, or a punt on someone in our own coaching set up. The circle just continues.
I am sure AFC Wimbledon fans were where we are at with Appleton with Jackson last year after they went months without a win - but he has managed to turn it around a bit this year - so it does say something about sticking with managers.
That being said, my preference would be to move Appleton on now and bring in Duff.1 -
Next season. You want to give him 15 games despite knowing yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so you're willing to throw away next seasonShootersHillGuru said:
Seasons been long gone for months.Croydon said:Throw away another season just for the sake of. Jesus wept5 -
It's close
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I’ve painted myself here into looking like I want Appleton to remain. In actuality I don’t. I think he’s the wrong man and always has been. The point I’m trying to make I suppose is that at some point we’ve got to stop this ridiculous changing of managers every season. We’ve had I think 16 managers in 18 years. Where is the stability and ability to build something in that. I’ve said it a before on threads that I think the most important appointment a club can make is that of manager. We’ve failed abysmally in that since Curbishley was appointed. When Appleton does depart we must appoint a quality experienced man and give him time. The problem I see is that because we’ve sacked managers so often as a club that no manager of any note will risk coming and being given no time to do anything. That’s a problem we’ve created and it’s got to change.Croydon said:
But you have no other reason other than that. BrilliantShootersHillGuru said:
Because I don’t think it’s sensible to keep replacing managers x 2 each and every season.Croydon said:
So you'd give 15 games of next season regardless? You said yourself he's not the man to take us forward, so why would you give him nearly a third of next season as well?ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s about timing isn’t it ? We’ll come through the bad run and stabilise and at that point which I assume to be 15 games into next season assess then.Croydon said:
Why stick with him if he's not the man to take us forward?ShootersHillGuru said:If Appleton was sacked today I wouldn’t be bothered but I do think that part of Charltons problem and has been for some time is the absolute clamour by fans to sack the manager whenever we go through a bad run. All teams have them and all managers have them. Things need to improve and improve quickly but Appleton started off well enough and once we see the new players integrated I think our results will steady. Is he the right man going forward ? I don’t think so but I also don’t think sacking him now is particularly helpful.3 -
Nigel Clough was at the game yesterday!Addick Addict said:No wins in 11 in all comps is bad enough but to pick up just 3 points from 18 against the likes of Burton (twice), Cambridge, Orient, Bristol Rovers and Port Vale really is shocking. To put things into perspective, if it wasn't for Reading's points deduction, we would be currently just three points above the relegation zone. And 8 of our next 9 matches are against sides in the top half of the table.
One of the biggest issues with runs like this is that players who might have been previously doing well, like May, CBT or Jones to give just three examples, either lose the desire to stay or their form drops as a result of getting dragged into the malaise. You have to find a spark to change that and whilst a new manager can create that, it has to be the right new manager. One with proven experience of consistently motivating a side. I'm not advocating him because he is a "stop gap" appointment but it is exactly what someone like Neil Warnock does and one of the reason it works is that he usually brings with him proven back up staff who know his ways but also have the specialist knowledge and ability to convey what how to defend as a unit for example. What I would have done for a Mark Robbins or Nigel Clough appointment instead of Appleton - still young enough, played at the top level, have the experience of managing for years and an ability to make the most of the players at their disposal.
Let the charge for safety begin. With or without Appleton.1
