Andy Scott Appointed Technical Director - Gone Feb 2025 (p35)

Lewis Coaches

shirty5 said:

Lewis Coaches said:

shirty5 said:

New England Tea Men - April 1978

Flanagan,Powell and Orient .

We got very lucky that season.

Not forgetting Lawrie Abrahams as well

Thought he was permanent signing for The Tea Men. Where as Flanagan and Powell were loaned back.

Abrahams scored on Debut at the Cottage but really didn’t do a lot else. Maybe I am doing him an injustice. 

Braziliance

EveshamAddick said:

Braziliance said:

DOUCHER said:

Stevenage head of recruitment is a friend of a friend - he has absolutely smashed it on very tight budget - he lives in bexleyheath - just saying 

The man that was responsible for recruiting Piergianni at Stevenage, would be more than welcome at Charlton for me. 

I'd rather centre backs/defenders that can actually keep a clean sheet, and not be total pussies, than some centre backs that apparently are just really good at passing? Load of good that's done us so far. 

It's absolutely ridiculous that we had a whole window to get a no nonsense centre back to increase our chances of getting some clean sheets, and we hired soft players as per. 

Is it really that hard to find a player like Innis, that has a bit of discipline about him. I wasn't Jason Pearces biggest fan but we are crying out for a player like that, he'd absolutely walk into this team. 

Innis definitely gave us a steel that’s rarely been seen. But don’t forget the dreadful injury and disciplinary record, he was often unavailable. But you are right about Pearce and hard to believe we had someone as good as Patrick Bauer playing for us in League One.

I didn't forget it, that's why I mentioned his disciplinary record as that was his main issue for us..

If the likes of Shrewsbury, Northampton and Stevenage have centre backs that are imposing and that can produce clean sheets, why can't we? 

Bauer was an anomaly, he was probably the best centre back in the league that season. 

Can't believe how poor this window was, I was actually generous giving it a 3.5/10. 

soapboxsam

alburyaddick said:

Andy Scott has proved to be utterly useless. One of the problems is that he has a perception that players who cant get in Championship sides must be good enough for league 1. When we signed Edun - my Blackburn supporting mate said he was useless. When we signed Bakinson from bottom of the Championship Sheffield Weds, my mate who is supporter had never heard of him. Gillesphey & Ladapo don’t look good enough and nor does REG. Coventry is OK but we didn’t need him because we had George in that position. 
The only bright spark in my book is that my Harrogate supporting mate texted me immediately to say that Ramsey was their best player. He’s the guy who has not started yet because T Watson is playing there ? 

I'm pleased you have so many mates all over the Country but personally if Neil Warnock said Reg was his favourite at Huddersfield in the 10 or so games he played under him in the Championship then that is a better endorsement than mates at football clubs who could be Similar to Ronnie Moore or at the other end of the scale Blucher, Covered end or our Henry who's opinion's are worth listening too whether I agree or not.

I'm disappointed you don't have a mate in Huddersfield.

Sam no mates Soapbox.

cafcwill

The man re-signed Bonne, that told me everything i needed to know about the man.  He needs to go 

shirty5

From Saturday’s starting eleven

1 - Played last season for Charlton (Thomas)

6 - Signed before the end of the summer window

4 - Signed during the January window

From those 6 signed before the end of the summer window, 2 had no pre season with us. (Signed on deadline day)

Out of those 10 new players Scott has been involved in 7 of those signings 

Only 3 players from that eleven have scored a league goal this season for Charlton 

Alfie May with 16

Lloyd Jones and Tennai Watson with one each

EveshamAddick

shirty5 said:

From Saturday’s starting eleven

1 - Played last season for Charlton (Thomas)

6 - Signed before the end of the summer window

4 - Signed during the January window

From those 6 signed before the end of the summer window, 2 had no pre season with us. (Signed on deadline day)

Out of those 10 new players Scott has been involved in 7 of those signings 

Only 3 players from that eleven have scored a league goal this season for Charlton 

Alfie May with 16

Lloyd Jones and Tennai Watson with one each

Bar May, no goals in the Team. Hence, the goals have dried up.

alburyaddick

soapboxsam said:

alburyaddick said:

Andy Scott has proved to be utterly useless. One of the problems is that he has a perception that players who cant get in Championship sides must be good enough for league 1. When we signed Edun - my Blackburn supporting mate said he was useless. When we signed Bakinson from bottom of the Championship Sheffield Weds, my mate who is supporter had never heard of him. Gillesphey & Ladapo don’t look good enough and nor does REG. Coventry is OK but we didn’t need him because we had George in that position. 
The only bright spark in my book is that my Harrogate supporting mate texted me immediately to say that Ramsey was their best player. He’s the guy who has not started yet because T Watson is playing there ? 

I'm pleased you have so many mates all over the Country but personally if Neil Warnock said Reg was his favourite at Huddersfield in the 10 or so games he played under him in the Championship then that is a better endorsement than mates at football clubs who could be Similar to Ronnie Moore or at the other end of the scale Blucher, Covered end or our Henry who's opinion's are worth listening too whether I agree or not.

I'm disappointed you don't have a mate in Huddersfield.

Sam no mates Soapbox.

Fair enough Sam - I chuckled ! 
I think the bigger point that I am trying to make here , probably not as succinctly as I should is that we have recruited out of form or out of the team Championship players assuming that they are bound to be good enough for League 1 and I think the philosophy is flawed- I think we should be going for in form League 1 players like Alfie, Will Goodwin ( which we tried) , Owen Moxon and maybe some very hot League 2 players like Ramsey. 

Chris_from_Sidcup

EveshamAddick said:

shirty5 said:

From Saturday’s starting eleven

1 - Played last season for Charlton (Thomas)

6 - Signed before the end of the summer window

4 - Signed during the January window

From those 6 signed before the end of the summer window, 2 had no pre season with us. (Signed on deadline day)

Out of those 10 new players Scott has been involved in 7 of those signings 

Only 3 players from that eleven have scored a league goal this season for Charlton 

Alfie May with 16

Lloyd Jones and Tennai Watson with one each

Bar May, no goals in the Team. Hence, the goals have dried up.

May has only actually scored 1 of our last 12 goals, going back to Cambridge at home.

The problem is that of the other 11 goals, 5 were scored by players no longer with us and 2 were own goals.

Depressing looking back over that period though, as we lost 7 points to injury time goals.

balham red

Andy Scott doing an atrocious job, while Charlie Methven is sunning himself in Jamaica on club coin working on that all important Mount Pleasant tie-up.
Rodwell doing... well who knows.

This bunch really are a circus. I am absolutely stunned they managed to pull a fast one on the American owners with their ludicrous investment PowerPoint and nonsensical pricetag on a loss making business. The Americans must have their lawyers all over this now, on how they sort the situation out.

JamesSeed

MuttleyCAFC said:

EveshamAddick said:

Braziliance said:

DOUCHER said:

Stevenage head of recruitment is a friend of a friend - he has absolutely smashed it on very tight budget - he lives in bexleyheath - just saying 

The man that was responsible for recruiting Piergianni at Stevenage, would be more than welcome at Charlton for me. 

I'd rather centre backs/defenders that can actually keep a clean sheet, and not be total pussies, than some centre backs that apparently are just really good at passing? Load of good that's done us so far. 

It's absolutely ridiculous that we had a whole window to get a no nonsense centre back to increase our chances of getting some clean sheets, and we hired soft players as per. 

Is it really that hard to find a player like Innis, that has a bit of discipline about him. I wasn't Jason Pearces biggest fan but we are crying out for a player like that, he'd absolutely walk into this team. 

Innis definitely gave us a steel that’s rarely been seen. But don’t forget the dreadful injury and disciplinary record, he was often unavailable. But you are right about Pearce and hard to believe we had someone as good as Patrick Bauer playing for us in League One.

There was a spell, before injury where Innis was terrific for us. Offensively, he added to our threat from set pieces. Surprisingly for such a big man, he wasn't a great headerer of the ball, but he did provide a bit of chaos to increase our potency. I always think regarding centre halves, if you are playing two of them, at least one needs to be a leader and one needs to be a goal threat. It can be the same one of course. If you are playing three, at least one needs to be a leader and two need to be a goal threat.

I remember getting pelters for saying I rated him. It was on the basis that he was so (defensively) aerially dominant. Yes he made the odd mistake, but there were comparatively few occasions where they resulted in a goal. And that lunatic tackle at Wimbledon was never to be repeated. 

Around that time we played a long-ball Cambridge team away from home, and he snuffed out every attack over the 90 minutes. 

He’s yet another Charlton player who ‘wasn’t good enough for us’, that was replaced by worse. 

I said we’d miss him, and I think we do, unfortunately. Yes, we could have bought better, but we didn’t.

SELR_addicks

Is that the Inniss currently playing his trade at the bottom of League Two? 

It can be true that the player wasn't good enough AND the replacements were just as bad. 

It's something that is ongoing with Charlton. We 'miss' bad players because we fail to recruit good ones. 

guinnessaddick

Lewis Coaches said:

shirty5 said:

New England Tea Men - April 1978

Flanagan,Powell and Orient .

We got very lucky that season.

Yeah, but we were in the division above our current level.

sm

EveshamAddick said:

shirty5 said:

From Saturday’s starting eleven

1 - Played last season for Charlton (Thomas)

6 - Signed before the end of the summer window

4 - Signed during the January window

From those 6 signed before the end of the summer window, 2 had no pre season with us. (Signed on deadline day)

Out of those 10 new players Scott has been involved in 7 of those signings 

Only 3 players from that eleven have scored a league goal this season for Charlton 

Alfie May with 16

Lloyd Jones and Tennai Watson with one each

Bar May, no goals in the Team. Hence, the goals have dried up.

I suspect the statistics for assists are equally dismal.

soapboxsam

alburyaddick said:

soapboxsam said:

alburyaddick said:

Andy Scott has proved to be utterly useless. One of the problems is that he has a perception that players who cant get in Championship sides must be good enough for league 1. When we signed Edun - my Blackburn supporting mate said he was useless. When we signed Bakinson from bottom of the Championship Sheffield Weds, my mate who is supporter had never heard of him. Gillesphey & Ladapo don’t look good enough and nor does REG. Coventry is OK but we didn’t need him because we had George in that position. 
The only bright spark in my book is that my Harrogate supporting mate texted me immediately to say that Ramsey was their best player. He’s the guy who has not started yet because T Watson is playing there ? 

I'm pleased you have so many mates all over the Country but personally if Neil Warnock said Reg was his favourite at Huddersfield in the 10 or so games he played under him in the Championship then that is a better endorsement than mates at football clubs who could be Similar to Ronnie Moore or at the other end of the scale Blucher, Covered end or our Henry who's opinion's are worth listening too whether I agree or not.

I'm disappointed you don't have a mate in Huddersfield.

Sam no mates Soapbox.

Fair enough Sam - I chuckled ! 
I think the bigger point that I am trying to make here , probably not as succinctly as I should is that we have recruited out of form or out of the team Championship players assuming that they are bound to be good enough for League 1 and I think the philosophy is flawed- I think we should be going for in form League 1 players like Alfie, Will Goodwin ( which we tried) , Owen Moxon and maybe some very hot League 2 players like Ramsey. 

You make some good points and what I find disappointing is that so many players don't turn up ready to go.
I know a few lads from Kinetic academy  that joined Brentford last season as they were recruiting for new academy and potentially their B side that play 'friendlies' 

Ok I know Toney is a top striker but he kept himself super fit when banned for so long and was so sharp straight away in the behind the door matches. He was a great example to the young 17 year olds that you have to push yourself everyday in training and the other things they learnt?

Don't bet on Football !

Scoham

soapboxsam said:

alburyaddick said:

soapboxsam said:

alburyaddick said:

Andy Scott has proved to be utterly useless. One of the problems is that he has a perception that players who cant get in Championship sides must be good enough for league 1. When we signed Edun - my Blackburn supporting mate said he was useless. When we signed Bakinson from bottom of the Championship Sheffield Weds, my mate who is supporter had never heard of him. Gillesphey & Ladapo don’t look good enough and nor does REG. Coventry is OK but we didn’t need him because we had George in that position. 
The only bright spark in my book is that my Harrogate supporting mate texted me immediately to say that Ramsey was their best player. He’s the guy who has not started yet because T Watson is playing there ? 

I'm pleased you have so many mates all over the Country but personally if Neil Warnock said Reg was his favourite at Huddersfield in the 10 or so games he played under him in the Championship then that is a better endorsement than mates at football clubs who could be Similar to Ronnie Moore or at the other end of the scale Blucher, Covered end or our Henry who's opinion's are worth listening too whether I agree or not.

I'm disappointed you don't have a mate in Huddersfield.

Sam no mates Soapbox.

Fair enough Sam - I chuckled ! 
I think the bigger point that I am trying to make here , probably not as succinctly as I should is that we have recruited out of form or out of the team Championship players assuming that they are bound to be good enough for League 1 and I think the philosophy is flawed- I think we should be going for in form League 1 players like Alfie, Will Goodwin ( which we tried) , Owen Moxon and maybe some very hot League 2 players like Ramsey. 

You make some good points and what I find disappointing is that so many players don't turn up ready to go.
I know a few lads from Kinetic academy  that joined Brentford last season as they were recruiting for new academy and potentially their B side that play 'friendlies' 

Ok I know Toney is a top striker but he kept himself super fit when banned for so long and was so sharp straight away in the behind the door matches. He was a great example to the young 17 year olds that you have to push yourself everyday in training and the other things they learnt?

Don't bet on Football !

Except on Charlton - free money for the last few months.

Bailey

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

EveshamAddick said:

shirty5 said:

From Saturday’s starting eleven

1 - Played last season for Charlton (Thomas)

6 - Signed before the end of the summer window

4 - Signed during the January window

From those 6 signed before the end of the summer window, 2 had no pre season with us. (Signed on deadline day)

Out of those 10 new players Scott has been involved in 7 of those signings 

Only 3 players from that eleven have scored a league goal this season for Charlton 

Alfie May with 16

Lloyd Jones and Tennai Watson with one each

Bar May, no goals in the Team. Hence, the goals have dried up.

May has only actually scored 1 of our last 12 goals, going back to Cambridge at home.

The problem is that of the other 11 goals, 5 were scored by players no longer with us and 2 were own goals.

Depressing looking back over that period though, as we lost 7 points to injury time goals.

If another striker if not two had been signed when Leaburn was injured at Welling then the club wouldn't have reached crisis point on the field. Yes the defence has been cack all season but our forwards have been shocking as well. 

DOUCHER

Braziliance said:

DOUCHER said:

Stevenage head of recruitment is a friend of a friend - he has absolutely smashed it on very tight budget - he lives in bexleyheath - just saying 

The man that was responsible for recruiting Piergianni at Stevenage, would be more than welcome at Charlton for me. 

I'd rather centre backs/defenders that can actually keep a clean sheet, and not be total pussies, than some centre backs that apparently are just really good at passing? Load of good that's done us so far. 

It's absolutely ridiculous that we had a whole window to get a no nonsense centre back to increase our chances of getting some clean sheets, and we hired soft players as per. 

Is it really that hard to find a player like Innis, that has a bit of discipline about him. I wasn't Jason Pearces biggest fan but we are crying out for a player like that, he'd absolutely walk into this team. 

Agreed - the more you look at it, the more you realise that the transfer window has solved bugger all  - in fact, its created more issues than its solved. No dominant centre half, no physical centre forward, no wingers and no number 10 

DOUCHER

Bailey said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

EveshamAddick said:

shirty5 said:

From Saturday’s starting eleven

1 - Played last season for Charlton (Thomas)

6 - Signed before the end of the summer window

4 - Signed during the January window

From those 6 signed before the end of the summer window, 2 had no pre season with us. (Signed on deadline day)

Out of those 10 new players Scott has been involved in 7 of those signings 

Only 3 players from that eleven have scored a league goal this season for Charlton 

Alfie May with 16

Lloyd Jones and Tennai Watson with one each

Bar May, no goals in the Team. Hence, the goals have dried up.

May has only actually scored 1 of our last 12 goals, going back to Cambridge at home.

The problem is that of the other 11 goals, 5 were scored by players no longer with us and 2 were own goals.

Depressing looking back over that period though, as we lost 7 points to injury time goals.

If another striker if not two had been signed when Leaburn was injured at Welling then the club wouldn't have reached crisis point on the field. Yes the defence has been cack all season but our forwards have been shocking as well. 

100% correct - holden might well still be here now - the fact that we've bollocked the forward recruitment up again is even more damming - we have 3 finishers in the squad atm who all need a big man or 2 to play off of 

Leuth

Lack of a hold-up forward has been the worst thing about our team this season, closely followed by the wing-backs

SouthLincsAddick

alburyaddick said:

soapboxsam said:

alburyaddick said:

Andy Scott has proved to be utterly useless. One of the problems is that he has a perception that players who cant get in Championship sides must be good enough for league 1. When we signed Edun - my Blackburn supporting mate said he was useless. When we signed Bakinson from bottom of the Championship Sheffield Weds, my mate who is supporter had never heard of him. Gillesphey & Ladapo don’t look good enough and nor does REG. Coventry is OK but we didn’t need him because we had George in that position. 
The only bright spark in my book is that my Harrogate supporting mate texted me immediately to say that Ramsey was their best player. He’s the guy who has not started yet because T Watson is playing there ? 

I'm pleased you have so many mates all over the Country but personally if Neil Warnock said Reg was his favourite at Huddersfield in the 10 or so games he played under him in the Championship then that is a better endorsement than mates at football clubs who could be Similar to Ronnie Moore or at the other end of the scale Blucher, Covered end or our Henry who's opinion's are worth listening too whether I agree or not.

I'm disappointed you don't have a mate in Huddersfield.

Sam no mates Soapbox.

Fair enough Sam - I chuckled ! 
I think the bigger point that I am trying to make here , probably not as succinctly as I should is that we have recruited out of form or out of the team Championship players assuming that they are bound to be good enough for League 1 and I think the philosophy is flawed- I think we should be going for in form League 1 players like Alfie, Will Goodwin ( which we tried) , Owen Moxon and maybe some very hot League 2 players like Ramsey. 

I agree, this idea that recruiting from the Championship will always work is a little flawed. If a player is prepared to drop a league it may be because he’s not good enough for that league anyway and in some cases has no experience of League One football, where it is a bit more physical and agricultural.

East Kent Addick

Leuth said:

Lack of a hold-up forward has been the worst thing about our team this season, closely followed by the wing-backs

Failed to sort out the hold-up forward situation last year as well when Garner was lumbered with Stockley as his central striker at least then we had goals from the 2 wingers (JRS and CBT) we then we buy a proper goal scorer who needs a hold up player alongside (May) and fail to get the hold up player to partner him.

Our wing backs are shocking - to think we binned Egbo and opted against signing Sessegnon to sign TWatson and Edun instead they can't even play full back let alone wing back!

hezzla

Bailey said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

EveshamAddick said:

shirty5 said:

From Saturday’s starting eleven

1 - Played last season for Charlton (Thomas)

6 - Signed before the end of the summer window

4 - Signed during the January window

From those 6 signed before the end of the summer window, 2 had no pre season with us. (Signed on deadline day)

Out of those 10 new players Scott has been involved in 7 of those signings 

Only 3 players from that eleven have scored a league goal this season for Charlton 

Alfie May with 16

Lloyd Jones and Tennai Watson with one each

Bar May, no goals in the Team. Hence, the goals have dried up.

May has only actually scored 1 of our last 12 goals, going back to Cambridge at home.

The problem is that of the other 11 goals, 5 were scored by players no longer with us and 2 were own goals.

Depressing looking back over that period though, as we lost 7 points to injury time goals.

If another striker if not two had been signed when Leaburn was injured at Welling then the club wouldn't have reached crisis point on the field. Yes the defence has been cack all season but our forwards have been shocking as well. 

Plenty of blame to go around, but worth noting we're still a top-10 team on goals scored this season.  But we have the 3rd worst goals conceded record, the 2nd worst clean sheet % and the 2nd worst shots on target conceded in the league.  Whatever you think of our signings, the players we have should never be giving up that many goals/chances.

For me, the failure of both managers to organise our backline into any sort of sensible structure is the single biggest reason we are where we are.

queensland_addick

guinnessaddick said:

Lewis Coaches said:

shirty5 said:

New England Tea Men - April 1978

Flanagan,Powell and Orient .

We got very lucky that season.

Yeah, but we were in the division above our current level.

Much like losing CBT & Dobson now, the fans back then knew that letting Flanny and Powell go would put us in a relegation battle, and it surely did !
It's amazing that the fans very often know better than the so called "professionals".

Bailey

queensland_addick said:

guinnessaddick said:

Lewis Coaches said:

shirty5 said:

New England Tea Men - April 1978

Flanagan,Powell and Orient .

We got very lucky that season.

Yeah, but we were in the division above our current level.

Much like losing CBT & Dobson now, the fans back then knew that letting Flanny and Powell go would put us in a relegation battle, and it surely did !
It's amazing that the fans very often know better than the so called "professionals".

That decision put us into the relegation scrap with only the nail bitter against Orient saving us at 0-0. It also ended any relationship, if there was one, that manager Andy Nelson had with the fans, I believe it was the next season that he decided to call us village idiots. 

Athletico Charlton

alburyaddick said:

soapboxsam said:

alburyaddick said:

Andy Scott has proved to be utterly useless. One of the problems is that he has a perception that players who cant get in Championship sides must be good enough for league 1. When we signed Edun - my Blackburn supporting mate said he was useless. When we signed Bakinson from bottom of the Championship Sheffield Weds, my mate who is supporter had never heard of him. Gillesphey & Ladapo don’t look good enough and nor does REG. Coventry is OK but we didn’t need him because we had George in that position. 
The only bright spark in my book is that my Harrogate supporting mate texted me immediately to say that Ramsey was their best player. He’s the guy who has not started yet because T Watson is playing there ? 

I'm pleased you have so many mates all over the Country but personally if Neil Warnock said Reg was his favourite at Huddersfield in the 10 or so games he played under him in the Championship then that is a better endorsement than mates at football clubs who could be Similar to Ronnie Moore or at the other end of the scale Blucher, Covered end or our Henry who's opinion's are worth listening too whether I agree or not.

I'm disappointed you don't have a mate in Huddersfield.

Sam no mates Soapbox.

Fair enough Sam - I chuckled ! 
I think the bigger point that I am trying to make here , probably not as succinctly as I should is that we have recruited out of form or out of the team Championship players assuming that they are bound to be good enough for League 1 and I think the philosophy is flawed- I think we should be going for in form League 1 players like Alfie, Will Goodwin ( which we tried) , Owen Moxon and maybe some very hot League 2 players like Ramsey. 

Agreed.  Scott talked of Championship ready players and players who didn't see Charlton as their ceiling then recruited players who bottom end Championship clubs didn't rate highly enough to keep in their relegation struggles.  These are not Championship players... REG; Gillesphey; Bakinson.  Sheff Weds; Huddersfield and to an extent Plymouth are poor Championship teams.
If we stay up then I am glad we can remove Ward, Fiorini, Bakinson and Ladapo from our wage budget in the summer.  We are stuck with REG and Gillesphey.  Coventry and Ramsey make sense to me (as does Small whom I imagine is a relatively cheap pint with a high ceiling).

MuttleyCAFC

DOUCHER said:

Braziliance said:

DOUCHER said:

Stevenage head of recruitment is a friend of a friend - he has absolutely smashed it on very tight budget - he lives in bexleyheath - just saying 

The man that was responsible for recruiting Piergianni at Stevenage, would be more than welcome at Charlton for me. 

I'd rather centre backs/defenders that can actually keep a clean sheet, and not be total pussies, than some centre backs that apparently are just really good at passing? Load of good that's done us so far. 

It's absolutely ridiculous that we had a whole window to get a no nonsense centre back to increase our chances of getting some clean sheets, and we hired soft players as per. 

Is it really that hard to find a player like Innis, that has a bit of discipline about him. I wasn't Jason Pearces biggest fan but we are crying out for a player like that, he'd absolutely walk into this team. 

Agreed - the more you look at it, the more you realise that the transfer window has solved bugger all  - in fact, its created more issues than its solved. No dominant centre half, no physical centre forward, no wingers and no number 10 

And no goals and assists to replace CBTs.

tangoflash

This will be his legacy, after appointing Appleton..........

billysboots

tangoflash said:

This will be his legacy, after appointing Appleton..........

Think they spelt destroying wrong - it isn’t spelt developing. 

DDOUBLEE

Leuth said:

Lack of a hold-up forward has been the worst thing about our team this season, closely followed by the wing-backs

Ikpeazu would have fit this perfectly, but 90% moaned about signing him as he didn't score enough goals in favour of Freddie Ladapo (While it is early) who has been dreadful in every appearance he's made so far...

tangoflash

Exclusive picture of Andy's Recruitment laptop...........