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Absolutle nonsense. I went to Eton too. If you are looking for people ITK then look to me.DOUCHER said:
99.9% on here have probably never met Charlie Methven or witnessed or even know about what it is that he isn't liked for, apart from maybe the way he came across on the Sunderland documentary and that he wore salmon trousers and was obviously middle class. However, its a bit like those who hate Kier Starmer now and think he and Labour are doing such an awful job - when you ask people why, they can't really give you any answers. It's the way of the world, as you appear to know. The fact he spoke to Reams a lot, the fella who runs the other chat site, and fed him information, wouldn't have gone down well with those on here who like to be ITK so....Sword65pf said:
Clearly some history, but from the outside looking in, the comments on here come across rather bitter and petty, for a grown up forum, to me any info is welcome and not a competition of who knows more.Radostanradical said:
Can see he took this comment well on other site 🤣Bedsaddick said:
Even a broken clock is right twice a day .Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer3 -
All jokes aside i get yours (everyones) point. However sometimes it does (not just from the otherside) appear to be a little childish.Sword65pf said:
the way of the world now I guess, shame really when we all ultimately want the same thing and have the same passion for our club, if people have issues with Reams then I’m the sort of person that would talk to him as an individual not take the pack of wolves option. But I suppose that’s the pitfall of a forum/ social media.DOUCHER said:
99.9% on here have probably never met Charlie Methven or witnessed or even know about what it is that he isn't liked for, apart from maybe the way he came across on the Sunderland documentary and that he wore salmon trousers and was obviously middle class. However, it’s a bit like those who hate Kier Starmer now and think he and Labour are doing such an awful job - when you ask people why, they can't really give you any answers. It's the way of the world, as you appear to know. The fact he spoke to Reams a lot, the fella who runs the other chat site, and fed him information, wouldn't have gone down well with those on here who like to be ITK so....Sword65pf said:
Clearly some history, but from the outside looking in, the comments on here come across rather bitter and petty, for a grown up forum, to me any info is welcome and not a competition of who knows more.Radostanradical said:
Can see he took this comment well on other site 🤣Bedsaddick said:
Even a broken clock is right twice a day .Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer0 -
Takes two to tango as they say.Radostanradical said:
All jokes aside i get yours (everyone’s) point. However sometimes it does (not just from the otherside) appear to be a little childish.Sword65pf said:
the way of the world now I guess, shame really when we all ultimately want the same thing and have the same passion for our club, if people have issues with Reams then I’m the sort of person that would talk to him as an individual not take the pack of wolves option. But I suppose that’s the pitfall of a forum/ social media.DOUCHER said:
99.9% on here have probably never met Charlie Methven or witnessed or even know about what it is that he isn't liked for, apart from maybe the way he came across on the Sunderland documentary and that he wore salmon trousers and was obviously middle class. However, it’s a bit like those who hate Kier Starmer now and think he and Labour are doing such an awful job - when you ask people why, they can't really give you any answers. It's the way of the world, as you appear to know. The fact he spoke to Reams a lot, the fella who runs the other chat site, and fed him information, wouldn't have gone down well with those on here who like to be ITK so....Sword65pf said:
Clearly some history, but from the outside looking in, the comments on here come across rather bitter and petty, for a grown up forum, to me any info is welcome and not a competition of who knows more.Radostanradical said:
Can see he took this comment well on other site 🤣Bedsaddick said:
Even a broken clock is right twice a day .Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer0 -
Sword65pf said:
Ok thankyou, that’s all I was asking,obviously you are closer to the action and appreciate the info.like I said my original point was never about what he did or didn’t do whilst in his position, but his original involvement, he was obviously involved and it was to the benefit of the club/fans at the time, whether or not he was liked doesn’t take away a positive interaction, but some are keen to overlook this and highlight what they didn’t like about him.Henry Irving said:
He DID NOT approach the consortium, They approached him.Sword65pf said:
I haven’t questioned or said I was dissapointed in him going, nor have I said anything about the job he did whilst in his position once they took over, just that it was him that approached the consortium and it was to our benefit, but people won’t give any credit and jump on a bandwagon, lol to my comment because it’s easy, rather than make they’re point in discussion.do you disagree? If so why? If it’s because of salmon trousers, then I take it all back.ElfsborgAddick said:
If Methven was so good why was he hoofed out?!Sword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie
How do I know this? Because he said it himself in a public forum.
The consortium's main players (Brener, Friedman and Rosenfeld who together hold 70% of the shares) were already together as a consortium (JF and WR are brothers-in-Law.)
When they said they wanted an underperforming club with potential, near London and with a good academy Charlie said "That's Charlton". Source? Again Charlie himself.
He deserves credit for helping make the deal happen but his role in brokering the deal is, IMHO, overplayed by fans, often because they were being leaked that news by CM.
He also, IMHO, vastly overpromised how much losses could be reduced through cost cutting and increasing commercial income and it was this that lead, IMHO, to the owners pushing him into the CEO role months after the deal had been finally done. Remember, he initially had no formal management role IIRC, although he was very much involved.
Eventually, that was his downfall IMHO, as he couldn't reduce the losses to under £2m PA as promised.
The structure he set up was unwieldy but we've now moved on Andy Scott and moved Jim Rodwell to Director of Football (which is what JR is, despite not having that title.) Gavin Carter was put in the role of Chairman by the Americans so that they could get a much better handle on what was, and what wasn't, working.
It is still concerning, to me at least, that we don't have a CEO since the Murphy deal collapsed and that we have lost other key staff but that can't be pinned on Charlie boy. The club has moved forward on the pitch and I think we have good owners. It seems they are looking for new blood to join the board and inject more money but that person isn't, if the person close to the board who I spoke to is to be believed, Cal McNair. They laughed at the suggestion that he was in the directors box for the Oxford game. Maybe he was in the Covered End instead?
Charlie is a likable, outgoing marketing guy, it's just that the thing he is best at marketing is himself.
Plus he oversaw the worst league position in our history.
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valleynick66 said:I did assume his ‘role’ in Jamaica was exaggerated and not quite the ‘move’ it was portrayed as.
A nice little payday and holiday for him.
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I didn't think you were joking.Radostanradical said:
All jokes aside i get yours (everyones) point. However sometimes it does (not just from the otherside) appear to be a little childish.Sword65pf said:
the way of the world now I guess, shame really when we all ultimately want the same thing and have the same passion for our club, if people have issues with Reams then I’m the sort of person that would talk to him as an individual not take the pack of wolves option. But I suppose that’s the pitfall of a forum/ social media.DOUCHER said:
99.9% on here have probably never met Charlie Methven or witnessed or even know about what it is that he isn't liked for, apart from maybe the way he came across on the Sunderland documentary and that he wore salmon trousers and was obviously middle class. However, it’s a bit like those who hate Kier Starmer now and think he and Labour are doing such an awful job - when you ask people why, they can't really give you any answers. It's the way of the world, as you appear to know. The fact he spoke to Reams a lot, the fella who runs the other chat site, and fed him information, wouldn't have gone down well with those on here who like to be ITK so....Sword65pf said:
Clearly some history, but from the outside looking in, the comments on here come across rather bitter and petty, for a grown up forum, to me any info is welcome and not a competition of who knows more.Radostanradical said:
Can see he took this comment well on other site 🤣Bedsaddick said:
Even a broken clock is right twice a day .Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
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C’mon not only is that irrelevant to my original post but also a spiteful and petty.lots of factors were at play, mainly the team not playing well enough. Unnecessary low blow IMO. You’re certainly not going to give him you’re last Rolo are you?.ElfsborgAddick said:Sword65pf said:
Ok thankyou, that’s all I was asking,obviously you are closer to the action and appreciate the info.like I said my original point was never about what he did or didn’t do whilst in his position, but his original involvement, he was obviously involved and it was to the benefit of the club/fans at the time, whether or not he was liked doesn’t take away a positive interaction, but some are keen to overlook this and highlight what they didn’t like about him.Henry Irving said:
He DID NOT approach the consortium, They approached him.Sword65pf said:
I haven’t questioned or said I was dissapointed in him going, nor have I said anything about the job he did whilst in his position once they took over, just that it was him that approached the consortium and it was to our benefit, but people won’t give any credit and jump on a bandwagon, lol to my comment because it’s easy, rather than make they’re point in discussion.do you disagree? If so why? If it’s because of salmon trousers, then I take it all back.ElfsborgAddick said:
If Methven was so good why was he hoofed out?!Sword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie
How do I know this? Because he said it himself in a public forum.
The consortium's main players (Brener, Friedman and Rosenfeld who together hold 70% of the shares) were already together as a consortium (JF and WR are brothers-in-Law.)
When they said they wanted an underperforming club with potential, near London and with a good academy Charlie said "That's Charlton". Source? Again Charlie himself.
He deserves credit for helping make the deal happen but his role in brokering the deal is, IMHO, overplayed by fans, often because they were being leaked that news by CM.
He also, IMHO, vastly overpromised how much losses could be reduced through cost cutting and increasing commercial income and it was this that lead, IMHO, to the owners pushing him into the CEO role months after the deal had been finally done. Remember, he initially had no formal management role IIRC, although he was very much involved.
Eventually, that was his downfall IMHO, as he couldn't reduce the losses to under £2m PA as promised.
The structure he set up was unwieldy but we've now moved on Andy Scott and moved Jim Rodwell to Director of Football (which is what JR is, despite not having that title.) Gavin Carter was put in the role of Chairman by the Americans so that they could get a much better handle on what was, and what wasn't, working.
It is still concerning, to me at least, that we don't have a CEO since the Murphy deal collapsed and that we have lost other key staff but that can't be pinned on Charlie boy. The club has moved forward on the pitch and I think we have good owners. It seems they are looking for new blood to join the board and inject more money but that person isn't, if the person close to the board who I spoke to is to be believed, Cal McNair. They laughed at the suggestion that he was in the directors box for the Oxford game. Maybe he was in the Covered End instead?
Charlie is a likable, outgoing marketing guy, it's just that the thing he is best at marketing is himself.
Plus he oversaw the worst league position in our history.1 -
Because (for me at least) CM was the face of trying to ‘monetise’ every aspect of following the club.DOUCHER said:
99.9% on here have probably never met Charlie Methven or witnessed or even know about what it is that he isn't liked for, apart from maybe the way he came across on the Sunderland documentary and that he wore salmon trousers and was obviously middle class. However, it’s a bit like those who hate Kier Starmer now and think he and Labour are doing such an awful job - when you ask people why, they can't really give you any answers. It's the way of the world, as you appear to know. The fact he spoke to Reams a lot, the fella who runs the other chat site, and fed him information, wouldn't have gone down well with those on here who like to be ITK so....Sword65pf said:
Clearly some history, but from the outside looking in, the comments on here come across rather bitter and petty, for a grown up forum, to me any info is welcome and not a competition of who knows more.Radostanradical said:
Can see he took this comment well on other site 🤣Bedsaddick said:
Even a broken clock is right twice a day .Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summerThe game is being taken further away from the humble fan.Not unique to CM of course but I don’t have to like it.1 -
Worst in living memory yes, worst in our history, no as we finished 2nd bottom of Division 3 South in 1926.ElfsborgAddick said:Sword65pf said:
Ok thankyou, that’s all I was asking,obviously you are closer to the action and appreciate the info.like I said my original point was never about what he did or didn’t do whilst in his position, but his original involvement, he was obviously involved and it was to the benefit of the club/fans at the time, whether or not he was liked doesn’t take away a positive interaction, but some are keen to overlook this and highlight what they didn’t like about him.Henry Irving said:
He DID NOT approach the consortium, They approached him.Sword65pf said:
I haven’t questioned or said I was dissapointed in him going, nor have I said anything about the job he did whilst in his position once they took over, just that it was him that approached the consortium and it was to our benefit, but people won’t give any credit and jump on a bandwagon, lol to my comment because it’s easy, rather than make they’re point in discussion.do you disagree? If so why? If it’s because of salmon trousers, then I take it all back.ElfsborgAddick said:
If Methven was so good why was he hoofed out?!Sword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie
How do I know this? Because he said it himself in a public forum.
The consortium's main players (Brener, Friedman and Rosenfeld who together hold 70% of the shares) were already together as a consortium (JF and WR are brothers-in-Law.)
When they said they wanted an underperforming club with potential, near London and with a good academy Charlie said "That's Charlton". Source? Again Charlie himself.
He deserves credit for helping make the deal happen but his role in brokering the deal is, IMHO, overplayed by fans, often because they were being leaked that news by CM.
He also, IMHO, vastly overpromised how much losses could be reduced through cost cutting and increasing commercial income and it was this that lead, IMHO, to the owners pushing him into the CEO role months after the deal had been finally done. Remember, he initially had no formal management role IIRC, although he was very much involved.
Eventually, that was his downfall IMHO, as he couldn't reduce the losses to under £2m PA as promised.
The structure he set up was unwieldy but we've now moved on Andy Scott and moved Jim Rodwell to Director of Football (which is what JR is, despite not having that title.) Gavin Carter was put in the role of Chairman by the Americans so that they could get a much better handle on what was, and what wasn't, working.
It is still concerning, to me at least, that we don't have a CEO since the Murphy deal collapsed and that we have lost other key staff but that can't be pinned on Charlie boy. The club has moved forward on the pitch and I think we have good owners. It seems they are looking for new blood to join the board and inject more money but that person isn't, if the person close to the board who I spoke to is to be believed, Cal McNair. They laughed at the suggestion that he was in the directors box for the Oxford game. Maybe he was in the Covered End instead?
Charlie is a likable, outgoing marketing guy, it's just that the thing he is best at marketing is himself.
Plus he oversaw the worst league position in our history.
Still, it was bad and while he didn't kick a ball or pick the team he was involved. As I said, the management structure he brought in and the team managers he recruited have now gone.1 -
Still a stretch to solely pin it on him though.Henry Irving said:
Worst in living memory yes, worst in our history, no as we finished 2nd bottom of Division 3 South in 1926.ElfsborgAddick said:Sword65pf said:
Ok thankyou, that’s all I was asking,obviously you are closer to the action and appreciate the info.like I said my original point was never about what he did or didn’t do whilst in his position, but his original involvement, he was obviously involved and it was to the benefit of the club/fans at the time, whether or not he was liked doesn’t take away a positive interaction, but some are keen to overlook this and highlight what they didn’t like about him.Henry Irving said:
He DID NOT approach the consortium, They approached him.Sword65pf said:
I haven’t questioned or said I was dissapointed in him going, nor have I said anything about the job he did whilst in his position once they took over, just that it was him that approached the consortium and it was to our benefit, but people won’t give any credit and jump on a bandwagon, lol to my comment because it’s easy, rather than make they’re point in discussion.do you disagree? If so why? If it’s because of salmon trousers, then I take it all back.ElfsborgAddick said:
If Methven was so good why was he hoofed out?!Sword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie
How do I know this? Because he said it himself in a public forum.
The consortium's main players (Brener, Friedman and Rosenfeld who together hold 70% of the shares) were already together as a consortium (JF and WR are brothers-in-Law.)
When they said they wanted an underperforming club with potential, near London and with a good academy Charlie said "That's Charlton". Source? Again Charlie himself.
He deserves credit for helping make the deal happen but his role in brokering the deal is, IMHO, overplayed by fans, often because they were being leaked that news by CM.
He also, IMHO, vastly overpromised how much losses could be reduced through cost cutting and increasing commercial income and it was this that lead, IMHO, to the owners pushing him into the CEO role months after the deal had been finally done. Remember, he initially had no formal management role IIRC, although he was very much involved.
Eventually, that was his downfall IMHO, as he couldn't reduce the losses to under £2m PA as promised.
The structure he set up was unwieldy but we've now moved on Andy Scott and moved Jim Rodwell to Director of Football (which is what JR is, despite not having that title.) Gavin Carter was put in the role of Chairman by the Americans so that they could get a much better handle on what was, and what wasn't, working.
It is still concerning, to me at least, that we don't have a CEO since the Murphy deal collapsed and that we have lost other key staff but that can't be pinned on Charlie boy. The club has moved forward on the pitch and I think we have good owners. It seems they are looking for new blood to join the board and inject more money but that person isn't, if the person close to the board who I spoke to is to be believed, Cal McNair. They laughed at the suggestion that he was in the directors box for the Oxford game. Maybe he was in the Covered End instead?
Charlie is a likable, outgoing marketing guy, it's just that the thing he is best at marketing is himself.
Plus he oversaw the worst league position in our history.
Still, it was bad and while he didn't kick a ball or pick the team he was involved. As I said, the management structure he brought in and the team managers he recruited have now gone.Was he part of bringing NJ to the club?1 -
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Just as much a stretch to give him all the credit or excuse all his failings.Sword65pf said:
Still a stretch to solely pin it on him though.Henry Irving said:
Worst in living memory yes, worst in our history, no as we finished 2nd bottom of Division 3 South in 1926.ElfsborgAddick said:Sword65pf said:
Ok thankyou, that’s all I was asking,obviously you are closer to the action and appreciate the info.like I said my original point was never about what he did or didn’t do whilst in his position, but his original involvement, he was obviously involved and it was to the benefit of the club/fans at the time, whether or not he was liked doesn’t take away a positive interaction, but some are keen to overlook this and highlight what they didn’t like about him.Henry Irving said:
He DID NOT approach the consortium, They approached him.Sword65pf said:
I haven’t questioned or said I was dissapointed in him going, nor have I said anything about the job he did whilst in his position once they took over, just that it was him that approached the consortium and it was to our benefit, but people won’t give any credit and jump on a bandwagon, lol to my comment because it’s easy, rather than make they’re point in discussion.do you disagree? If so why? If it’s because of salmon trousers, then I take it all back.ElfsborgAddick said:
If Methven was so good why was he hoofed out?!Sword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie
How do I know this? Because he said it himself in a public forum.
The consortium's main players (Brener, Friedman and Rosenfeld who together hold 70% of the shares) were already together as a consortium (JF and WR are brothers-in-Law.)
When they said they wanted an underperforming club with potential, near London and with a good academy Charlie said "That's Charlton". Source? Again Charlie himself.
He deserves credit for helping make the deal happen but his role in brokering the deal is, IMHO, overplayed by fans, often because they were being leaked that news by CM.
He also, IMHO, vastly overpromised how much losses could be reduced through cost cutting and increasing commercial income and it was this that lead, IMHO, to the owners pushing him into the CEO role months after the deal had been finally done. Remember, he initially had no formal management role IIRC, although he was very much involved.
Eventually, that was his downfall IMHO, as he couldn't reduce the losses to under £2m PA as promised.
The structure he set up was unwieldy but we've now moved on Andy Scott and moved Jim Rodwell to Director of Football (which is what JR is, despite not having that title.) Gavin Carter was put in the role of Chairman by the Americans so that they could get a much better handle on what was, and what wasn't, working.
It is still concerning, to me at least, that we don't have a CEO since the Murphy deal collapsed and that we have lost other key staff but that can't be pinned on Charlie boy. The club has moved forward on the pitch and I think we have good owners. It seems they are looking for new blood to join the board and inject more money but that person isn't, if the person close to the board who I spoke to is to be believed, Cal McNair. They laughed at the suggestion that he was in the directors box for the Oxford game. Maybe he was in the Covered End instead?
Charlie is a likable, outgoing marketing guy, it's just that the thing he is best at marketing is himself.
Plus he oversaw the worst league position in our history.
Still, it was bad and while he didn't kick a ball or pick the team he was involved. As I said, the management structure he brought in and the team managers he recruited have now gone.Was he part of bringing NJ to the club?
I'm actually neither saying he was a saint or a total sinner. Real life is rarely that black or white.
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I’m saying the same thing, I haven’t done either of the things you suggest. So he was involved in NJ coming to the club then? You skipped that bit😜 Did he help in any way positive towards the museum?Henry Irving said:
Just as much a stretch to give him all the credit or excuse all his failings.Sword65pf said:
Still a stretch to solely pin it on him though.Henry Irving said:
Worst in living memory yes, worst in our history, no as we finished 2nd bottom of Division 3 South in 1926.ElfsborgAddick said:Sword65pf said:
Ok thankyou, that’s all I was asking,obviously you are closer to the action and appreciate the info.like I said my original point was never about what he did or didn’t do whilst in his position, but his original involvement, he was obviously involved and it was to the benefit of the club/fans at the time, whether or not he was liked doesn’t take away a positive interaction, but some are keen to overlook this and highlight what they didn’t like about him.Henry Irving said:
He DID NOT approach the consortium, They approached him.Sword65pf said:
I haven’t questioned or said I was dissapointed in him going, nor have I said anything about the job he did whilst in his position once they took over, just that it was him that approached the consortium and it was to our benefit, but people won’t give any credit and jump on a bandwagon, lol to my comment because it’s easy, rather than make they’re point in discussion.do you disagree? If so why? If it’s because of salmon trousers, then I take it all back.ElfsborgAddick said:
If Methven was so good why was he hoofed out?!Sword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie
How do I know this? Because he said it himself in a public forum.
The consortium's main players (Brener, Friedman and Rosenfeld who together hold 70% of the shares) were already together as a consortium (JF and WR are brothers-in-Law.)
When they said they wanted an underperforming club with potential, near London and with a good academy Charlie said "That's Charlton". Source? Again Charlie himself.
He deserves credit for helping make the deal happen but his role in brokering the deal is, IMHO, overplayed by fans, often because they were being leaked that news by CM.
He also, IMHO, vastly overpromised how much losses could be reduced through cost cutting and increasing commercial income and it was this that lead, IMHO, to the owners pushing him into the CEO role months after the deal had been finally done. Remember, he initially had no formal management role IIRC, although he was very much involved.
Eventually, that was his downfall IMHO, as he couldn't reduce the losses to under £2m PA as promised.
The structure he set up was unwieldy but we've now moved on Andy Scott and moved Jim Rodwell to Director of Football (which is what JR is, despite not having that title.) Gavin Carter was put in the role of Chairman by the Americans so that they could get a much better handle on what was, and what wasn't, working.
It is still concerning, to me at least, that we don't have a CEO since the Murphy deal collapsed and that we have lost other key staff but that can't be pinned on Charlie boy. The club has moved forward on the pitch and I think we have good owners. It seems they are looking for new blood to join the board and inject more money but that person isn't, if the person close to the board who I spoke to is to be believed, Cal McNair. They laughed at the suggestion that he was in the directors box for the Oxford game. Maybe he was in the Covered End instead?
Charlie is a likable, outgoing marketing guy, it's just that the thing he is best at marketing is himself.
Plus he oversaw the worst league position in our history.
Still, it was bad and while he didn't kick a ball or pick the team he was involved. As I said, the management structure he brought in and the team managers he recruited have now gone.Was he part of bringing NJ to the club?
I'm actually neither saying he was a saint or a total sinner. Real life is rarely that black or white.
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The boardroom bar bill was in black and white. 😉1
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I personally don't think he was that involved with NJ coming. The failures of Holden and Appleton and the precarious league position meant that decision making on the new manager had shifted away from CM and AS. There are reasons they are no longer with the club and I don't get the sense that they are missed by those that remained.Sword65pf said:
I’m saying the same thing, I haven’t done either of the things you suggest. So he was involved in NJ coming to the club then? You skipped that bit😜 Did he help in any way positive towards the museum?Henry Irving said:
Just as much a stretch to give him all the credit or excuse all his failings.Sword65pf said:
Still a stretch to solely pin it on him though.Henry Irving said:
Worst in living memory yes, worst in our history, no as we finished 2nd bottom of Division 3 South in 1926.ElfsborgAddick said:Sword65pf said:
Ok thankyou, that’s all I was asking,obviously you are closer to the action and appreciate the info.like I said my original point was never about what he did or didn’t do whilst in his position, but his original involvement, he was obviously involved and it was to the benefit of the club/fans at the time, whether or not he was liked doesn’t take away a positive interaction, but some are keen to overlook this and highlight what they didn’t like about him.Henry Irving said:
He DID NOT approach the consortium, They approached him.Sword65pf said:
I haven’t questioned or said I was dissapointed in him going, nor have I said anything about the job he did whilst in his position once they took over, just that it was him that approached the consortium and it was to our benefit, but people won’t give any credit and jump on a bandwagon, lol to my comment because it’s easy, rather than make they’re point in discussion.do you disagree? If so why? If it’s because of salmon trousers, then I take it all back.ElfsborgAddick said:
If Methven was so good why was he hoofed out?!Sword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie
How do I know this? Because he said it himself in a public forum.
The consortium's main players (Brener, Friedman and Rosenfeld who together hold 70% of the shares) were already together as a consortium (JF and WR are brothers-in-Law.)
When they said they wanted an underperforming club with potential, near London and with a good academy Charlie said "That's Charlton". Source? Again Charlie himself.
He deserves credit for helping make the deal happen but his role in brokering the deal is, IMHO, overplayed by fans, often because they were being leaked that news by CM.
He also, IMHO, vastly overpromised how much losses could be reduced through cost cutting and increasing commercial income and it was this that lead, IMHO, to the owners pushing him into the CEO role months after the deal had been finally done. Remember, he initially had no formal management role IIRC, although he was very much involved.
Eventually, that was his downfall IMHO, as he couldn't reduce the losses to under £2m PA as promised.
The structure he set up was unwieldy but we've now moved on Andy Scott and moved Jim Rodwell to Director of Football (which is what JR is, despite not having that title.) Gavin Carter was put in the role of Chairman by the Americans so that they could get a much better handle on what was, and what wasn't, working.
It is still concerning, to me at least, that we don't have a CEO since the Murphy deal collapsed and that we have lost other key staff but that can't be pinned on Charlie boy. The club has moved forward on the pitch and I think we have good owners. It seems they are looking for new blood to join the board and inject more money but that person isn't, if the person close to the board who I spoke to is to be believed, Cal McNair. They laughed at the suggestion that he was in the directors box for the Oxford game. Maybe he was in the Covered End instead?
Charlie is a likable, outgoing marketing guy, it's just that the thing he is best at marketing is himself.
Plus he oversaw the worst league position in our history.
Still, it was bad and while he didn't kick a ball or pick the team he was involved. As I said, the management structure he brought in and the team managers he recruited have now gone.Was he part of bringing NJ to the club?
I'm actually neither saying he was a saint or a total sinner. Real life is rarely that black or white.
All the new owners and management have visited and been positive about the museum, some have made financial donations and others have donated artefacts but I'm speaking here as a fan not in my position as a trustee of the museum.4 -
Good point, I'd forgotten that. Quite a lot of black ink used on bit of white paperT_C_E said:The boardroom bar bill was in black and white. 😉
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Ok, so he was involved in all the not so good stuff, but not involved in anything good. That clears things up. I shall not utter another word on the matter other than to say I think in some cases a bit of double standards are afoot.Henry Irving said:
I personally don't think he was that involved with NJ coming. The failures of Holden and Appleton and the precarious league position meant that decision making on the new manager had shifted away from CM and AS. There are reasons they are no longer with the club and I don't get the sense that they are missed by those that remained.Sword65pf said:
I’m saying the same thing, I haven’t done either of the things you suggest. So he was involved in NJ coming to the club then? You skipped that bit😜 Did he help in any way positive towards the museum?Henry Irving said:
Just as much a stretch to give him all the credit or excuse all his failings.Sword65pf said:
Still a stretch to solely pin it on him though.Henry Irving said:
Worst in living memory yes, worst in our history, no as we finished 2nd bottom of Division 3 South in 1926.ElfsborgAddick said:Sword65pf said:
Ok thankyou, that’s all I was asking,obviously you are closer to the action and appreciate the info.like I said my original point was never about what he did or didn’t do whilst in his position, but his original involvement, he was obviously involved and it was to the benefit of the club/fans at the time, whether or not he was liked doesn’t take away a positive interaction, but some are keen to overlook this and highlight what they didn’t like about him.Henry Irving said:
He DID NOT approach the consortium, They approached him.Sword65pf said:
I haven’t questioned or said I was dissapointed in him going, nor have I said anything about the job he did whilst in his position once they took over, just that it was him that approached the consortium and it was to our benefit, but people won’t give any credit and jump on a bandwagon, lol to my comment because it’s easy, rather than make they’re point in discussion.do you disagree? If so why? If it’s because of salmon trousers, then I take it all back.ElfsborgAddick said:
If Methven was so good why was he hoofed out?!Sword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie
How do I know this? Because he said it himself in a public forum.
The consortium's main players (Brener, Friedman and Rosenfeld who together hold 70% of the shares) were already together as a consortium (JF and WR are brothers-in-Law.)
When they said they wanted an underperforming club with potential, near London and with a good academy Charlie said "That's Charlton". Source? Again Charlie himself.
He deserves credit for helping make the deal happen but his role in brokering the deal is, IMHO, overplayed by fans, often because they were being leaked that news by CM.
He also, IMHO, vastly overpromised how much losses could be reduced through cost cutting and increasing commercial income and it was this that lead, IMHO, to the owners pushing him into the CEO role months after the deal had been finally done. Remember, he initially had no formal management role IIRC, although he was very much involved.
Eventually, that was his downfall IMHO, as he couldn't reduce the losses to under £2m PA as promised.
The structure he set up was unwieldy but we've now moved on Andy Scott and moved Jim Rodwell to Director of Football (which is what JR is, despite not having that title.) Gavin Carter was put in the role of Chairman by the Americans so that they could get a much better handle on what was, and what wasn't, working.
It is still concerning, to me at least, that we don't have a CEO since the Murphy deal collapsed and that we have lost other key staff but that can't be pinned on Charlie boy. The club has moved forward on the pitch and I think we have good owners. It seems they are looking for new blood to join the board and inject more money but that person isn't, if the person close to the board who I spoke to is to be believed, Cal McNair. They laughed at the suggestion that he was in the directors box for the Oxford game. Maybe he was in the Covered End instead?
Charlie is a likable, outgoing marketing guy, it's just that the thing he is best at marketing is himself.
Plus he oversaw the worst league position in our history.
Still, it was bad and while he didn't kick a ball or pick the team he was involved. As I said, the management structure he brought in and the team managers he recruited have now gone.Was he part of bringing NJ to the club?
I'm actually neither saying he was a saint or a total sinner. Real life is rarely that black or white.
All the new owners and management have visited and been positive about the museum, some have made financial donations and others have donated artefacts but I'm speaking here as a fan not in my position as a trustee of the museum.1 -
Not forgetting the visiting clubs director/guests that had to be entertained in the executive boxes because the boardroom was full of his racing pals.Henry Irving said:
Good point, I'd forgotten that. Quite a lot of black ink used on bit of white paperT_C_E said:The boardroom bar bill was in black and white. 😉0 -
Oh, dear, how will I cope after a burn like that.Sword65pf said:
Ok, so he was involved in all the not so good stuff, but not involved in anything good. That clears things up. I shall not utter another word on the matter other than to say I think in some cases a bit of double standards are afoot.Henry Irving said:
I personally don't think he was that involved with NJ coming. The failures of Holden and Appleton and the precarious league position meant that decision making on the new manager had shifted away from CM and AS. There are reasons they are no longer with the club and I don't get the sense that they are missed by those that remained.Sword65pf said:
I’m saying the same thing, I haven’t done either of the things you suggest. So he was involved in NJ coming to the club then? You skipped that bit😜 Did he help in any way positive towards the museum?Henry Irving said:
Just as much a stretch to give him all the credit or excuse all his failings.Sword65pf said:
Still a stretch to solely pin it on him though.Henry Irving said:
Worst in living memory yes, worst in our history, no as we finished 2nd bottom of Division 3 South in 1926.ElfsborgAddick said:Sword65pf said:
Ok thankyou, that’s all I was asking,obviously you are closer to the action and appreciate the info.like I said my original point was never about what he did or didn’t do whilst in his position, but his original involvement, he was obviously involved and it was to the benefit of the club/fans at the time, whether or not he was liked doesn’t take away a positive interaction, but some are keen to overlook this and highlight what they didn’t like about him.Henry Irving said:
He DID NOT approach the consortium, They approached him.Sword65pf said:
I haven’t questioned or said I was dissapointed in him going, nor have I said anything about the job he did whilst in his position once they took over, just that it was him that approached the consortium and it was to our benefit, but people won’t give any credit and jump on a bandwagon, lol to my comment because it’s easy, rather than make they’re point in discussion.do you disagree? If so why? If it’s because of salmon trousers, then I take it all back.ElfsborgAddick said:
If Methven was so good why was he hoofed out?!Sword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie
How do I know this? Because he said it himself in a public forum.
The consortium's main players (Brener, Friedman and Rosenfeld who together hold 70% of the shares) were already together as a consortium (JF and WR are brothers-in-Law.)
When they said they wanted an underperforming club with potential, near London and with a good academy Charlie said "That's Charlton". Source? Again Charlie himself.
He deserves credit for helping make the deal happen but his role in brokering the deal is, IMHO, overplayed by fans, often because they were being leaked that news by CM.
He also, IMHO, vastly overpromised how much losses could be reduced through cost cutting and increasing commercial income and it was this that lead, IMHO, to the owners pushing him into the CEO role months after the deal had been finally done. Remember, he initially had no formal management role IIRC, although he was very much involved.
Eventually, that was his downfall IMHO, as he couldn't reduce the losses to under £2m PA as promised.
The structure he set up was unwieldy but we've now moved on Andy Scott and moved Jim Rodwell to Director of Football (which is what JR is, despite not having that title.) Gavin Carter was put in the role of Chairman by the Americans so that they could get a much better handle on what was, and what wasn't, working.
It is still concerning, to me at least, that we don't have a CEO since the Murphy deal collapsed and that we have lost other key staff but that can't be pinned on Charlie boy. The club has moved forward on the pitch and I think we have good owners. It seems they are looking for new blood to join the board and inject more money but that person isn't, if the person close to the board who I spoke to is to be believed, Cal McNair. They laughed at the suggestion that he was in the directors box for the Oxford game. Maybe he was in the Covered End instead?
Charlie is a likable, outgoing marketing guy, it's just that the thing he is best at marketing is himself.
Plus he oversaw the worst league position in our history.
Still, it was bad and while he didn't kick a ball or pick the team he was involved. As I said, the management structure he brought in and the team managers he recruited have now gone.Was he part of bringing NJ to the club?
I'm actually neither saying he was a saint or a total sinner. Real life is rarely that black or white.
All the new owners and management have visited and been positive about the museum, some have made financial donations and others have donated artefacts but I'm speaking here as a fan not in my position as a trustee of the museum.3 -
But he did nothing wrongT_C_E said:
Not forgetting the visiting clubs director/guests that had to be entertained in the executive boxes because the boardroom was full of his racing pals.Henry Irving said:
Good point, I'd forgotten that. Quite a lot of black ink used on bit of white paperT_C_E said:The boardroom bar bill was in black and white. 😉 2 -
No need to play the hard done by, just friendly discussion. It’s ok to disagree hopefully we are all celebrating tomorrow.4
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The consortium approached Charlie Boy by all accounts to find a club to buy, he didn't get them on board they were already interested.Sword65pf said:
By all means I’m not saying he did everything fantastically, but he managed to get the consortium on board, to which he no doubt benefitted, that’s business.but we needed something like that to happen, however certain people won’t give credit whatever.fenaddick said:
You're right that some of it is better but a lot of it isn't. For example, there's a relatively skeleton administrative staff (partly evidenced by how hard it was to get hold of anyone on the phone for Chelsea tickets) and he created lots of half baked ideas. He definitely provided a bit of a platform for others to develop which seems to be what he might have done ok at for Sunderland tooSword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie
Edit: I see Henry has already mentioned this but with far more detail, that's the problem playing catch up.
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It’s ok we’ve established he didn’t do anything, love how people are quick to put others right but don’t actually have anything useful to say.charltonbob said:
The consortium approached Charlie Boy by all accounts to find a club to buy, he didn't get them on board they were already interested.Sword65pf said:
By all means I’m not saying he did everything fantastically, but he managed to get the consortium on board, to which he no doubt benefitted, that’s business.but we needed something like that to happen, however certain people won’t give credit whatever.fenaddick said:
You're right that some of it is better but a lot of it isn't. For example, there's a relatively skeleton administrative staff (partly evidenced by how hard it was to get hold of anyone on the phone for Chelsea tickets) and he created lots of half baked ideas. He definitely provided a bit of a platform for others to develop which seems to be what he might have done ok at for Sunderland tooSword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
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Sword65pf said:
It’s ok we’ve established he didn’t do anything, love how people are quick to put others right but don’t actually have anything useful to say.charltonbob said:
The consortium approached Charlie Boy by all accounts to find a club to buy, he didn't get them on board they were already interested.Sword65pf said:
By all means I’m not saying he did everything fantastically, but he managed to get the consortium on board, to which he no doubt benefitted, that’s business.but we needed something like that to happen, however certain people won’t give credit whatever.fenaddick said:
You're right that some of it is better but a lot of it isn't. For example, there's a relatively skeleton administrative staff (partly evidenced by how hard it was to get hold of anyone on the phone for Chelsea tickets) and he created lots of half baked ideas. He definitely provided a bit of a platform for others to develop which seems to be what he might have done ok at for Sunderland tooSword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie
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😂😂 honestly it’s too easy with a little group of you. The wolves always come out to play.bobmunro said:Sword65pf said:
It’s ok we’ve established he didn’t do anything, love how people are quick to put others right but don’t actually have anything useful to say.charltonbob said:
The consortium approached Charlie Boy by all accounts to find a club to buy, he didn't get them on board they were already interested.Sword65pf said:
By all means I’m not saying he did everything fantastically, but he managed to get the consortium on board, to which he no doubt benefitted, that’s business.but we needed something like that to happen, however certain people won’t give credit whatever.fenaddick said:
You're right that some of it is better but a lot of it isn't. For example, there's a relatively skeleton administrative staff (partly evidenced by how hard it was to get hold of anyone on the phone for Chelsea tickets) and he created lots of half baked ideas. He definitely provided a bit of a platform for others to develop which seems to be what he might have done ok at for Sunderland tooSword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that Charlie0 -
Sword65pf said:
😂😂 honestly it’s too easy with a little group of you. The wolves always come out to play.bobmunro said:Sword65pf said:
It’s ok we’ve established he didn’t do anything, love how people are quick to put others right but don’t actually have anything useful to say.charltonbob said:
The consortium approached Charlie Boy by all accounts to find a club to buy, he didn't get them on board they were already interested.Sword65pf said:
By all means I’m not saying he did everything fantastically, but he managed to get the consortium on board, to which he no doubt benefitted, that’s business.but we needed something like that to happen, however certain people won’t give credit whatever.fenaddick said:
You're right that some of it is better but a lot of it isn't. For example, there's a relatively skeleton administrative staff (partly evidenced by how hard it was to get hold of anyone on the phone for Chelsea tickets) and he created lots of half baked ideas. He definitely provided a bit of a platform for others to develop which seems to be what he might have done ok at for Sunderland tooSword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that CharlieYou make a claim how some people are happy to put others right but who don't have anything useful to say - that is most definitely pot calling the kettle black.You made a case for the good things CM did for the club and others have had very much useful things to say. Let's start with you claiming CM somehow put the consortium together. That is provably not the case. As others have said, they approached CM with a question, and they may well have been aware of him from the Sunderland Netflix comedy. The question was "Could you recommend a club that is currently under performing but has great potential and is in or close to London?". Now CM suggested Charlton, but if you had asked the same question to all other football fans in London and further afield, many, in fact a majority, would have also said Charlton. If that's a positive for CM then fine - he gave the right answer.He would have had virtually nothing to do with NJ being appointed - that would have been Scott and Rodwell, with perhaps Charlie being asked of his opinion. Hardly a positive there.He promised to cut costs and failed (not sure he was wise to promise that anyway) and when he was finally asked to earn his crust as the CEO (LMFAO) he failed miserably and did much more harm than good. Not his fault that he isn't CEO material - he is not much more than a self-publicist chancer, but good luck to him if he can get away with it, and he would have earned coin in the process.I'm no wolf, just a pussycat really, but the others you referred to have indeed put you right.6 -
Ok, I also thanked those people for info . Put forward, which you neglected to mention for the purpose of trying to put me in my place.clever man that Charlie getting all that money for doing nothing.have a lovely day.bobmunro said:Sword65pf said:
😂😂 honestly it’s too easy with a little group of you. The wolves always come out to play.bobmunro said:Sword65pf said:
It’s ok we’ve established he didn’t do anything, love how people are quick to put others right but don’t actually have anything useful to say.charltonbob said:
The consortium approached Charlie Boy by all accounts to find a club to buy, he didn't get them on board they were already interested.Sword65pf said:
By all means I’m not saying he did everything fantastically, but he managed to get the consortium on board, to which he no doubt benefitted, that’s business.but we needed something like that to happen, however certain people won’t give credit whatever.fenaddick said:
You're right that some of it is better but a lot of it isn't. For example, there's a relatively skeleton administrative staff (partly evidenced by how hard it was to get hold of anyone on the phone for Chelsea tickets) and he created lots of half baked ideas. He definitely provided a bit of a platform for others to develop which seems to be what he might have done ok at for Sunderland tooSword65pf said:
Like it or not, the reason the club is in a far better place, is pretty much down to Charlie, that obviously sticks in throat of many on here, which considering it’s benefitted us as a fan base is quite petty especially from what I would assume are quite a lot of rather more mature people. Now I’m pretty sure there are plenty of lols coming my way, however rather than lol , maybe explain why you disagree, I’m happy to learn, otherwise lols just look like old men/women being bitter.shirty5 said:
Since Methven has left the building the inside information on here and elsewhere has been a far less greater than before.Sword65pf said:
It does seem there is a section on here that just won’t have him, whether he’s right or wrong. I find that odd if any info is good or beneficial to us all being a little more in the know.SID said:
I’m not saying he gets everything right as an ITK (who does) but he seems to have hit the target a few times in the not too distant past if I remember correctly. Don’t ask me for specifics though I’m not a member on the other site and I can’t be bothered to search back even if it’s possible.SoundAsa£ said:
He will do anything and say anything to get the post ratings higher.😠chev said:Reams on other forum saying cal mcnair has put 20 million in to club for transfers this winter window and next summer
Clever man that CharlieYou make a claim how some people are happy to put others right but who don't have anything useful to say - that is most definitely pot calling the kettle black.You made a case for the good things CM did for the club and others have had very much useful things to say. Let's start with you claiming CM somehow put the consortium together. That is provably not the case. As others have said, they approached CM with a question, and they may well have been aware of him from the Sunderland Netflix comedy. The question was "Could you recommend a club that is currently under performing but has great potential and is in or close to London?". Now CM suggested Charlton, but if you had asked the same question to all other football fans in London and further afield, many, in fact a majority, would have also said Charlton. If that's a positive for CM then fine - he gave the right answer.He would have had virtually nothing to do with NJ being appointed - that would have been Scott and Rodwell, with perhaps Charlie being asked of his opinion. Hardly a positive there.He promised to cut costs and failed (not sure he was wise to promise that anyway) and when he was finally asked to earn his crust as the CEO (LMFAO) he failed miserably and did much more harm than good. Not his fault that he isn't CEO material - he is not much more than a self-publicist chancer, but good luck to him if he can get away with it, and he would have earned coin in the process.I'm no wolf, just a pussycat really, but the others you referred to have indeed put you right.1
