Can someone please tell me where all these “Jones doesn’t rate Alfie” “Jones and Alfie don’t get on” “Alfie wasn’t guaranteed to start every match” have come from?
Is it all based on Alfie being subbed a few times at the back end of the season? Where is all the evidence, because I think I must of missed it all?
Those of you swallowing this "wants to be closer to his family" line, please help me understand the following:
- 12 months ago, Alfie May was a Cheltenham player. Where were his family living then? In Cheltenham, or Doncaster? - Didn't he want to be " close to his family" when he agreed to join Charlton? Because wherever they were living, he was going to be fairly far away from them when signing for us. - Didn't he only quite recently buy a house near us? Why would you do that, if your family want to stay in Doncaster and you are on a two year contract?
Well?
Ill gofirst 2nd, Probably living in Cheltenham where he went when he didn't have the options he now has on the table.
Close to his family but its his wife who would be away from her family the majority of the times when he is away playing football and without getting too personal we don't know what the dynamic is between his wife and his family.
The house was rented, they were in Cheltenham not Doncaster (see first point about options) and he only had a year left on his contract.
There are numerous instances that explain why this has gone the way it has but I cant help but think being closer to her family and earning a shit load more for what is likely his final big contract are probably more likely reasons than some cloak and dagger conspiracy plot.
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
This is completely unhinged nonsense
Point to a win NJ has that May hasn't scored in? Pretty simple.
I think people forget how hard May carried the team last season with his goals. We were genuinely nothing going forward without his goal threat.
Saying he is the *only* reason we won any games under Jones is transparently nonsense though. Especially as the Derby game he merely scored a penalty, and the Cheltenham game he statpadded at the end with the game as good as won. But this is typical Charlton fan mania - being unable to give anyone except the designated hero players any credit
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
May was not the only reason NJ won any games because other players scored too ? Make it make sense. Also my point was the decision NJ made kept us up not that we won games ? we also picked up a lot of draws thats neither here nor there.
So answer the other point, if the club did that it would be so easily known ? literally last week NJ was singing his praises.
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesnt make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
So why were we linked to 2 other strikers?
NJ singing his praises like I'm sure he would for any squad member. Any manager outside of Bowyer would do the same, especially when trying to bump up a transfer fee. Why make it look like you want him gone? That lowers his value.
Christ wept this shouldn't need explaining. We were linked with two other strikers because it turns out a full robust squad that has depth is usually a pretty good sign of a squad pushing to achieve things. We literally had to recall a lad from a loan at a conference team last season and your asking why we are looking at strikers ?
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
What about the three goals scored at Bolton? I suppose we didn't win that though. If Alfie had played the whole game he'd have scored three more, because he's just as good as all the other strikers put together, and we'd have won 6-3. This is your logic
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
May was not the only reason NJ won any games because other players scored too ? Make it make sense. Also my point was the decision NJ made kept us up not that we won games ? we also picked up a lot of draws thats neither here nor there.
So answer the other point, if the club did that it would be so easily known ? literally last week NJ was singing his praises.
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesnt make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
So why were we linked to 2 other strikers?
NJ singing his praises like I'm sure he would for any squad member. Any manager outside of Bowyer would do the same, especially when trying to bump up a transfer fee. Why make it look like you want him gone? That lowers his value.
Christ wept this shouldn't need explaining. We were linked with two other strikers because it turns out a full robust squad that has depth is usually a pretty good sign of a squad pushing to achieve things. We literally had to recall a lad from a load at a conference team last season and your asking why we are looking at strikers ?
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
Because he was out of the door anyway. So if he's wanted by top clubs in the League (because he's a quality player), why wouldn't he accept their offer?
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
This is completely unhinged nonsense
Point to a win NJ has that May hasn't scored in? Pretty simple.
I think people forget how hard May carried the team last season with his goals. We were genuinely nothing going forward without his goal threat.
Saying he is the *only* reason we won any games under Jones is transparently nonsense though. Especially as the Derby game he merely scored a penalty, and the Cheltenham game he statpadded at the end with the game as good as won. But this is typical Charlton fan mania - being unable to give anyone except the designated hero players any credit
Point to a single game won with May not on the pitch.
If he's not influential and a quality player then surely Jones would've masterminded a single win without him? Just one?
Had plenty of chances with the amount he subbed off May towards the end of the season.
Those of you swallowing this "wants to be closer to his family" line, please help me understand the following:
- 12 months ago, Alfie May was a Cheltenham player. Where were his family living then? In Cheltenham, or Doncaster? - Didn't he want to be " close to his family" when he agreed to join Charlton? Because wherever they were living, he was going to be fairly far away from them when signing for us. - Didn't he only quite recently buy a house near us? Why would you do that, if your family want to stay in Doncaster and you are on a two year contract?
Well?
Whilst playing at Cheltenham his family was living in Doncaster. When he signed for us they moved to Snodland I believe, near his family, assuming I suppose that being near his family would help his wife settle. That didn’t happen and she is missing her family hence why she has moved back to Doncaster. Having done the living away thing whilst at Cheltenham he’s decided that he can’t do that again and hence wanted a move closer to Doncaster. Birmingham is closer than Snodland is even though it’s still a two hour commute each way. I don’t think he bought his house, it was rented because the family home was still in Doncaster.
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
May was not the only reason NJ won any games because other players scored too ? Make it make sense. Also my point was the decision NJ made kept us up not that we won games ? we also picked up a lot of draws thats neither here nor there.
So answer the other point, if the club did that it would be so easily known ? literally last week NJ was singing his praises.
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesnt make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
So why were we linked to 2 other strikers?
NJ singing his praises like I'm sure he would for any squad member. Any manager outside of Bowyer would do the same, especially when trying to bump up a transfer fee. Why make it look like you want him gone? That lowers his value.
Christ wept this shouldn't need explaining. We were linked with two other strikers because it turns out a full robust squad that has depth is usually a pretty good sign of a squad pushing to achieve things. We literally had to recall a lad from a load at a conference team last season and your asking why we are looking at strikers ?
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
Because he was out of the door anyway. So if he's wanted by top clubs in the League (because he's a quality player), why wouldn't he accept their offer?
If Jones wanted May he would still be here.
You don't think it might be a combination of 3 or 4 reasons?
It's purely Jones getting rid of the only reason we stayed up last season?
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
May was not the only reason NJ won any games because other players scored too ? Make it make sense. Also my point was the decision NJ made kept us up not that we won games ? we also picked up a lot of draws thats neither here nor there.
So answer the other point, if the club did that it would be so easily known ? literally last week NJ was singing his praises.
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesnt make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
So why were we linked to 2 other strikers?
NJ singing his praises like I'm sure he would for any squad member. Any manager outside of Bowyer would do the same, especially when trying to bump up a transfer fee. Why make it look like you want him gone? That lowers his value.
Christ wept this shouldn't need explaining. We were linked with two other strikers because it turns out a full robust squad that has depth is usually a pretty good sign of a squad pushing to achieve things. We literally had to recall a lad from a load at a conference team last season and your asking why we are looking at strikers ?
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
Because he was out of the door anyway. So if he's wanted by top clubs in the League (because he's a quality player), why wouldn't he accept their offer?
If Jones wanted May he would still be here.
Thats a great answer to a question im not asking. Try again. You can't believe he was in the plans for next season (ok maybe not playing every minute) but has decided to go for much more money as a 31 year old ?
Also dont ignore the other points i made ? You see why we are after more strikers as opposed to relying on May, Kanu (who i like but is green), an ever injured Aneke and an ever injured Leaburn ?
You really think May will turn down the contract for much more money to stay here ? seriously ?
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
May was not the only reason NJ won any games because other players scored too ? Make it make sense. Also my point was the decision NJ made kept us up not that we won games ? we also picked up a lot of draws thats neither here nor there.
So answer the other point, if the club did that it would be so easily known ? literally last week NJ was singing his praises.
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesnt make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
So why were we linked to 2 other strikers?
NJ singing his praises like I'm sure he would for any squad member. Any manager outside of Bowyer would do the same, especially when trying to bump up a transfer fee. Why make it look like you want him gone? That lowers his value.
Christ wept this shouldn't need explaining. We were linked with two other strikers because it turns out a full robust squad that has depth is usually a pretty good sign of a squad pushing to achieve things. We literally had to recall a lad from a load at a conference team last season and your asking why we are looking at strikers ?
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
Because he was out of the door anyway. So if he's wanted by top clubs in the League (because he's a quality player), why wouldn't he accept their offer?
If Jones wanted May he would still be here.
You don't think it might be a combination of 3 or 4 reasons?
It's purely Jones getting rid of the only reason we stayed up last season?
Look i kind of agree everyone has an opinion but just find the idea that those who can accept Alfie may have decided his best interests are served elsewhere is some kind of mark or sheep lapping up the "spin" of the regime.
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
May was not the only reason NJ won any games because other players scored too ? Make it make sense. Also my point was the decision NJ made kept us up not that we won games ? we also picked up a lot of draws thats neither here nor there.
So answer the other point, if the club did that it would be so easily known ? literally last week NJ was singing his praises.
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesnt make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
So why were we linked to 2 other strikers?
NJ singing his praises like I'm sure he would for any squad member. Any manager outside of Bowyer would do the same, especially when trying to bump up a transfer fee. Why make it look like you want him gone? That lowers his value.
Christ wept this shouldn't need explaining. We were linked with two other strikers because it turns out a full robust squad that has depth is usually a pretty good sign of a squad pushing to achieve things. We literally had to recall a lad from a load at a conference team last season and your asking why we are looking at strikers ?
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
Because he was out of the door anyway. So if he's wanted by top clubs in the League (because he's a quality player), why wouldn't he accept their offer?
If Jones wanted May he would still be here.
Thats a great answer to a question im not asking. Try again. You can't believe he was in the plans for next season (ok maybe not playing every minute) but has decided to go for much more money as a 31 year old ?
Also dont ignore the other points i made ? You see why we are after more strikers as opposed to relying on May, Kanu (who i like but is green), an ever injured Aneke and an ever injured Leaburn ?
You really think May will turn down the contract for much more money to stay here ? seriously ?
I think May would've stayed yes if he felt like he was a valued member of the squad next season pushing for promotion. Next season is a different story with his contract but that's next season not this one.
If our strike force was May, Leaburn, Kanu and Aneke I don't believe we would have signed multiple strikers. Perhaps one to compliment Leaburn but that's all. The fact we were looking at multiple points to them offloading someone. I wonder who.
One more thing about the so-called "comms" around this saga.
If you are an overseas (real or virtual) Addick and therefore a Charlton TV regular you won't have failed to notice that when Jones took over he was not available for interview on CTV with the same regularity as all the other managers were. It was obvious that this was something he'd insisted on. At the time I was OK with it because frankly in the latter stages of Appleton you'd rather pull out a wisdom tooth than watch some of his interviews. But there was, I thought, a certain arrogance to NJ's refusal to make himself available as the others did.
NJ might think that this is all part of the "manager, not coach", big statement, which again has its merits, especially if it stops the over-reach of unaccountable people like Andy Scott. But he'd also do well to remember that it isn't down to God that's he here. He's here because 10-15,000 people are willing to pay good money to help make this football club successful. In the week leading up to the first game he'll need to give an interview for them, which must include a frank and honest assessment of the squad and dealings, including why he let May go. If he hides behind the "Alfie wanted to be closer to his family" line, then, to put it mildly, that will be a very bad look. If he has a clear vision for how he wants to set up, it should be clear enough for us fans to understand it when he explains it to us. And equally it would be clear whether or not May could fit into that set-up. If NJ thinks May couldn't, or wouldn't, he should have the bollocks to come out and say so.
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
May was not the only reason NJ won any games because other players scored too ? Make it make sense. Also my point was the decision NJ made kept us up not that we won games ? we also picked up a lot of draws thats neither here nor there.
So answer the other point, if the club did that it would be so easily known ? literally last week NJ was singing his praises.
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesnt make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
So why were we linked to 2 other strikers?
NJ singing his praises like I'm sure he would for any squad member. Any manager outside of Bowyer would do the same, especially when trying to bump up a transfer fee. Why make it look like you want him gone? That lowers his value.
Christ wept this shouldn't need explaining. We were linked with two other strikers because it turns out a full robust squad that has depth is usually a pretty good sign of a squad pushing to achieve things. We literally had to recall a lad from a load at a conference team last season and your asking why we are looking at strikers ?
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
Because he was out of the door anyway. So if he's wanted by top clubs in the League (because he's a quality player), why wouldn't he accept their offer?
If Jones wanted May he would still be here.
Thats a great answer to a question im not asking. Try again. You can't believe he was in the plans for next season (ok maybe not playing every minute) but has decided to go for much more money as a 31 year old ?
Also dont ignore the other points i made ? You see why we are after more strikers as opposed to relying on May, Kanu (who i like but is green), an ever injured Aneke and an ever injured Leaburn ?
You really think May will turn down the contract for much more money to stay here ? seriously ?
I think May would've stayed yes if he felt like he was a valued member of the squad next season pushing for promotion. Next season is a different story with his contract but that's next season not this one.
If our strike force was May, Leaburn, Kanu and Aneke I don't believe we would have signed multiple strikers. Perhaps one to compliment Leaburn but that's all. The fact we were looking at multiple points to them offloading someone. I wonder who.
What when he is 32 and out of contract ? you think he would just go "ok im sure this mega life changing offer will be on the table next summer when im another year the wrong side of 30".
Thats not the point !!! our strike force wasnt those four though, answer the actual point not what you want it to be. We had one established striker for most of the season that was May, Kanu was recalled from a loan at conference level. Aneke cant be relied upon we know that, there are questions about Leaburns fitness. Also ignoring moving someone on ? He released Wickham and sent back Ladapo.
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
May was not the only reason NJ won any games because other players scored too ? Make it make sense. Also my point was the decision NJ made kept us up not that we won games ? we also picked up a lot of draws thats neither here nor there.
So answer the other point, if the club did that it would be so easily known ? literally last week NJ was singing his praises.
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesnt make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
So why were we linked to 2 other strikers?
NJ singing his praises like I'm sure he would for any squad member. Any manager outside of Bowyer would do the same, especially when trying to bump up a transfer fee. Why make it look like you want him gone? That lowers his value.
Christ wept this shouldn't need explaining. We were linked with two other strikers because it turns out a full robust squad that has depth is usually a pretty good sign of a squad pushing to achieve things. We literally had to recall a lad from a load at a conference team last season and your asking why we are looking at strikers ?
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
Because he was out of the door anyway. So if he's wanted by top clubs in the League (because he's a quality player), why wouldn't he accept their offer?
If Jones wanted May he would still be here.
Thats a great answer to a question im not asking. Try again. You can't believe he was in the plans for next season (ok maybe not playing every minute) but has decided to go for much more money as a 31 year old ?
Also dont ignore the other points i made ? You see why we are after more strikers as opposed to relying on May, Kanu (who i like but is green), an ever injured Aneke and an ever injured Leaburn ?
You really think May will turn down the contract for much more money to stay here ? seriously ?
I think May would've stayed yes if he felt like he was a valued member of the squad next season pushing for promotion. Next season is a different story with his contract but that's next season not this one.
If our strike force was May, Leaburn, Kanu and Aneke I don't believe we would have signed multiple strikers. Perhaps one to compliment Leaburn but that's all. The fact we were looking at multiple points to them offloading someone. I wonder who.
What when he is 32 and out of contract ? you think he would just go "ok im sure this mega life changing offer will be on the table next summer when im another year the wrong side of 30".
Thats not the point !!! our strike force wasnt those four though, answer the actual point not what you want it to be. We had one established striker for most of the season that was May, Kanu was recalled from a loan at conference level. Aneke cant be relied upon we know that, there are questions about Leaburns fitness. Also ignoring moving someone on ? He released Wickham and sent back Ladapo.
According to you Kermorgant walked out on us because he accepted a Bournemouth contract for more money. It can be possible a player is made to feel unwelcome and finds himself a good contract because he is a very good footballer. This year or next, Alfie May would have no trouble finding a good contract, he's a quality player with multiple seasons of 20+ goals.
Our strike force for next season was May, Leaburn, Aneke and Kanu. You can claim we only had 'one established striker' but we are paying the wages for 4 professional strikers. There's zero way we're signing 2-3 strikers and paying 7 strikers wages on our books.
Read the first 50 pages and why people were worried about us losing May. It wasn't about his family or the money. I'll leave it at that.
Those of you swallowing this "wants to be closer to his family" line, please help me understand the following:
- 12 months ago, Alfie May was a Cheltenham player. Where were his family living then? In Cheltenham, or Doncaster? - Didn't he want to be " close to his family" when he agreed to join Charlton? Because wherever they were living, he was going to be fairly far away from them when signing for us. - Didn't he only quite recently buy a house near us? Why would you do that, if your family want to stay in Doncaster and you are on a two year contract?
Well?
Whilst playing at Cheltenham his family was living in Doncaster. When he signed for us they moved to Snodland I believe, near his family, assuming I suppose that being near his family would help his wife settle. That didn’t happen and she is missing her family hence why she has moved back to Doncaster. Having done the living away thing whilst at Cheltenham he’s decided that he can’t do that again and hence wanted a move closer to Doncaster. Birmingham is closer than Snodland is even though it’s still a two hour commute each way. I don’t think he bought his house, it was rented because the family home was still in Doncaster.
OK thats mostly plausible, but I do recall that when the speculation about him possibly going kicked off, somebody on here said he'd just bought a place locally. If that's not the case then fair enough. If he did buy the house then I find the whole line pretty implausible as a result.
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
May was not the only reason NJ won any games because other players scored too ? Make it make sense. Also my point was the decision NJ made kept us up not that we won games ? we also picked up a lot of draws thats neither here nor there.
So answer the other point, if the club did that it would be so easily known ? literally last week NJ was singing his praises.
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesnt make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
So why were we linked to 2 other strikers?
NJ singing his praises like I'm sure he would for any squad member. Any manager outside of Bowyer would do the same, especially when trying to bump up a transfer fee. Why make it look like you want him gone? That lowers his value.
Christ wept this shouldn't need explaining. We were linked with two other strikers because it turns out a full robust squad that has depth is usually a pretty good sign of a squad pushing to achieve things. We literally had to recall a lad from a load at a conference team last season and your asking why we are looking at strikers ?
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
Because he was out of the door anyway. So if he's wanted by top clubs in the League (because he's a quality player), why wouldn't he accept their offer?
If Jones wanted May he would still be here.
Thats a great answer to a question im not asking. Try again. You can't believe he was in the plans for next season (ok maybe not playing every minute) but has decided to go for much more money as a 31 year old ?
Also dont ignore the other points i made ? You see why we are after more strikers as opposed to relying on May, Kanu (who i like but is green), an ever injured Aneke and an ever injured Leaburn ?
You really think May will turn down the contract for much more money to stay here ? seriously ?
I think May would've stayed yes if he felt like he was a valued member of the squad next season pushing for promotion. Next season is a different story with his contract but that's next season not this one.
If our strike force was May, Leaburn, Kanu and Aneke I don't believe we would have signed multiple strikers. Perhaps one to compliment Leaburn but that's all. The fact we were looking at multiple points to them offloading someone. I wonder who.
What when he is 32 and out of contract ? you think he would just go "ok im sure this mega life changing offer will be on the table next summer when im another year the wrong side of 30".
Thats not the point !!! our strike force wasnt those four though, answer the actual point not what you want it to be. We had one established striker for most of the season that was May, Kanu was recalled from a loan at conference level. Aneke cant be relied upon we know that, there are questions about Leaburns fitness. Also ignoring moving someone on ? He released Wickham and sent back Ladapo.
According to you Kermorgant walked out on us because he accepted a Bournemouth contract for more money. It can be possible a player is made to feel unwelcome and finds himself a good contract because he is a very good footballer. This year or next, Alfie May would have no trouble finding a good contract, he's a quality player with multiple seasons of 20+ goals.
Our strike force for next season was May, Leaburn, Aneke and Kanu. You can claim we only had 'one established striker' but we are paying the wages for 4 professional strikers. There's zero way we're signing 2-3 strikers and paying 7 strikers wages on our books.
Read the first 50 pages and why people were worried about us losing May. It wasn't about his family or the money. I'll leave it at that.
ah mate come on, Its cute you thought you had a point but just accept defeat and move on. Dont just make stuff up, where have i ever said that about Kermogant ? We are talking about May. Yes sorry you are right May would of 100% got the same contract next season because result are always guaranteed in football we all know that, in fact its silly he could of stayed here another season then maybe get an offer from Man City. You really think he has the same worth and length of contract offered next summer ?
oh now its three strikers not just two, keep moving the goal posts. it would be six with the two you originally quoted which is the exact number of strikers we had at the end of last season with Ladapo and Wickham. Also worth pointing out Kanu and Leaburn wouldnt be on great money either as they are still on their first pro contacts. Now repeat that so we know you understood it.
Good too see you leave it mate, probably best you hit the hay.
Those of you swallowing this "wants to be closer to his family" line, please help me understand the following:
- 12 months ago, Alfie May was a Cheltenham player. Where were his family living then? In Cheltenham, or Doncaster? - Didn't he want to be " close to his family" when he agreed to join Charlton? Because wherever they were living, he was going to be fairly far away from them when signing for us. - Didn't he only quite recently buy a house near us? Why would you do that, if your family want to stay in Doncaster and you are on a two year contract?
Well?
Whilst playing at Cheltenham his family was living in Doncaster. When he signed for us they moved to Snodland I believe, near his family, assuming I suppose that being near his family would help his wife settle. That didn’t happen and she is missing her family hence why she has moved back to Doncaster. Having done the living away thing whilst at Cheltenham he’s decided that he can’t do that again and hence wanted a move closer to Doncaster. Birmingham is closer than Snodland is even though it’s still a two hour commute each way. I don’t think he bought his house, it was rented because the family home was still in Doncaster.
OK thats mostly plausible, but I do recall that when the speculation about him possibly going kicked off, somebody on here said he'd just bought a place locally. If that's not the case then fair enough. If he did buy the house then I find the whole line pretty implausible as a result.
Pretty sure @Swisdom said recently that Alfie was renting the place next door to him. If I’ve got that wrong I apologise.
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
May was not the only reason NJ won any games because other players scored too ? Make it make sense. Also my point was the decision NJ made kept us up not that we won games ? we also picked up a lot of draws thats neither here nor there.
So answer the other point, if the club did that it would be so easily known ? literally last week NJ was singing his praises.
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesnt make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
So why were we linked to 2 other strikers?
NJ singing his praises like I'm sure he would for any squad member. Any manager outside of Bowyer would do the same, especially when trying to bump up a transfer fee. Why make it look like you want him gone? That lowers his value.
Christ wept this shouldn't need explaining. We were linked with two other strikers because it turns out a full robust squad that has depth is usually a pretty good sign of a squad pushing to achieve things. We literally had to recall a lad from a load at a conference team last season and your asking why we are looking at strikers ?
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
Because he was out of the door anyway. So if he's wanted by top clubs in the League (because he's a quality player), why wouldn't he accept their offer?
If Jones wanted May he would still be here.
Thats a great answer to a question im not asking. Try again. You can't believe he was in the plans for next season (ok maybe not playing every minute) but has decided to go for much more money as a 31 year old ?
Also dont ignore the other points i made ? You see why we are after more strikers as opposed to relying on May, Kanu (who i like but is green), an ever injured Aneke and an ever injured Leaburn ?
You really think May will turn down the contract for much more money to stay here ? seriously ?
I think May would've stayed yes if he felt like he was a valued member of the squad next season pushing for promotion. Next season is a different story with his contract but that's next season not this one.
If our strike force was May, Leaburn, Kanu and Aneke I don't believe we would have signed multiple strikers. Perhaps one to compliment Leaburn but that's all. The fact we were looking at multiple points to them offloading someone. I wonder who.
What when he is 32 and out of contract ? you think he would just go "ok im sure this mega life changing offer will be on the table next summer when im another year the wrong side of 30".
Thats not the point !!! our strike force wasnt those four though, answer the actual point not what you want it to be. We had one established striker for most of the season that was May, Kanu was recalled from a loan at conference level. Aneke cant be relied upon we know that, there are questions about Leaburns fitness. Also ignoring moving someone on ? He released Wickham and sent back Ladapo.
According to you Kermorgant walked out on us because he accepted a Bournemouth contract for more money. It can be possible a player is made to feel unwelcome and finds himself a good contract because he is a very good footballer. This year or next, Alfie May would have no trouble finding a good contract, he's a quality player with multiple seasons of 20+ goals.
Our strike force for next season was May, Leaburn, Aneke and Kanu. You can claim we only had 'one established striker' but we are paying the wages for 4 professional strikers. There's zero way we're signing 2-3 strikers and paying 7 strikers wages on our books.
Read the first 50 pages and why people were worried about us losing May. It wasn't about his family or the money. I'll leave it at that.
ah mate come on, Its cute you thought you had a point but just accept defeat and move on. Dont just make stuff up, where have i ever said that about Kermogant ? We are talking about May. Yes sorry you are right May would of 100% got the same contract next season because result are always guaranteed in football we all know that, in fact its silly he could of stayed here another season then maybe get an offer from Man City. You really think he has the same worth and length of contract offered next summer ?
oh now its three strikers not just two, keep moving the goal posts. it would be six with the two you originally quoted which is the exact number of strikers we had at the end of last season with Ladapo and Wickham. Also worth pointing out Kanu and Leaburn wouldnt be on great money either as they are still on their first pro contacts. Now repeat that so we know you understood it.
Good too see you leave it mate, probably best you hit the hay.
30+ year old player feels unwanted and is getting pushed out but is a quality operator in their league.
Finds themselves more money because teams, fighting for promotion, are desperate for their signature.
Player asks for a transfer. Club happily accepts and already has players lined up to replace them. (Polish Pete/Godden).
Don't see the similarities?
But yeah May left for family/money/he's old/the delights of Birmingham.
Pretending we'd have ended up with 6 strikers if Leaburn wasn't out for the entire year is cute spin though.
Like I said before, go back and read the first 50 pages. Seems you've got time on your hands.
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
May was not the only reason NJ won any games because other players scored too ? Make it make sense. Also my point was the decision NJ made kept us up not that we won games ? we also picked up a lot of draws thats neither here nor there.
So answer the other point, if the club did that it would be so easily known ? literally last week NJ was singing his praises.
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesnt make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
So why were we linked to 2 other strikers?
NJ singing his praises like I'm sure he would for any squad member. Any manager outside of Bowyer would do the same, especially when trying to bump up a transfer fee. Why make it look like you want him gone? That lowers his value.
Christ wept this shouldn't need explaining. We were linked with two other strikers because it turns out a full robust squad that has depth is usually a pretty good sign of a squad pushing to achieve things. We literally had to recall a lad from a load at a conference team last season and your asking why we are looking at strikers ?
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
Because he was out of the door anyway. So if he's wanted by top clubs in the League (because he's a quality player), why wouldn't he accept their offer?
If Jones wanted May he would still be here.
Thats a great answer to a question im not asking. Try again. You can't believe he was in the plans for next season (ok maybe not playing every minute) but has decided to go for much more money as a 31 year old ?
Also dont ignore the other points i made ? You see why we are after more strikers as opposed to relying on May, Kanu (who i like but is green), an ever injured Aneke and an ever injured Leaburn ?
You really think May will turn down the contract for much more money to stay here ? seriously ?
I think May would've stayed yes if he felt like he was a valued member of the squad next season pushing for promotion. Next season is a different story with his contract but that's next season not this one.
If our strike force was May, Leaburn, Kanu and Aneke I don't believe we would have signed multiple strikers. Perhaps one to compliment Leaburn but that's all. The fact we were looking at multiple points to them offloading someone. I wonder who.
What when he is 32 and out of contract ? you think he would just go "ok im sure this mega life changing offer will be on the table next summer when im another year the wrong side of 30".
Thats not the point !!! our strike force wasnt those four though, answer the actual point not what you want it to be. We had one established striker for most of the season that was May, Kanu was recalled from a loan at conference level. Aneke cant be relied upon we know that, there are questions about Leaburns fitness. Also ignoring moving someone on ? He released Wickham and sent back Ladapo.
According to you Kermorgant walked out on us because he accepted a Bournemouth contract for more money. It can be possible a player is made to feel unwelcome and finds himself a good contract because he is a very good footballer. This year or next, Alfie May would have no trouble finding a good contract, he's a quality player with multiple seasons of 20+ goals.
Our strike force for next season was May, Leaburn, Aneke and Kanu. You can claim we only had 'one established striker' but we are paying the wages for 4 professional strikers. There's zero way we're signing 2-3 strikers and paying 7 strikers wages on our books.
Read the first 50 pages and why people were worried about us losing May. It wasn't about his family or the money. I'll leave it at that.
ah mate come on, Its cute you thought you had a point but just accept defeat and move on. Dont just make stuff up, where have i ever said that about Kermogant ? We are talking about May. Yes sorry you are right May would of 100% got the same contract next season because result are always guaranteed in football we all know that, in fact its silly he could of stayed here another season then maybe get an offer from Man City. You really think he has the same worth and length of contract offered next summer ?
oh now its three strikers not just two, keep moving the goal posts. it would be six with the two you originally quoted which is the exact number of strikers we had at the end of last season with Ladapo and Wickham. Also worth pointing out Kanu and Leaburn wouldnt be on great money either as they are still on their first pro contacts. Now repeat that so we know you understood it.
Good too see you leave it mate, probably best you hit the hay.
30+ year old player feels unwanted and is getting pushed out but is a quality operator in their league.
Finds themselves more money because teams, fighting for promotion, are desperate for their signature.
Player asks for a transfer. Club happily accepts and already has players lined up to replace them. (Polish Pete/Godden).
Don't see the similarities?
But yeah May left for family/money/he's old/the delights of Birmingham.
Already answered all this.
Literally not a single reply to any point i made, not wasting my time anymore.
One more thing about the so-called "comms" around this saga.
If you are an overseas (real or virtual) Addick and therefore a Charlton TV regular you won't have failed to notice that when Jones took over he was not available for interview on CTV with the same regularity as all the other managers were. It was obvious that this was something he'd insisted on. At the time I was OK with it because frankly in the latter stages of Appleton you'd rather pull out a wisdom tooth than watch some of his interviews. But there was, I thought, a certain arrogance to NJ's refusal to make himself available as the others did.
NJ might think that this is all part of the "manager, not coach", big statement, which again has its merits, especially if it stops the over-reach of unaccountable people like Andy Scott. But he'd also do well to remember that it isn't down to God that's he here. He's here because 10-15,000 people are willing to pay good money to help make this football club successful. In the week leading up to the first game he'll need to give an interview for them, which must include a frank and honest assessment of the squad and dealings, including why he let May go. If he hides behind the "Alfie wanted to be closer to his family" line, then, to put it mildly, that will be a very bad look. If he has a clear vision for how he wants to set up, it should be clear enough for us fans to understand it when he explains it to us. And equally it would be clear whether or not May could fit into that set-up. If NJ thinks May couldn't, or wouldn't, he should have the bollocks to come out and say so.
What’s with the insistence that we must force words out of certain people’s mouths otherwise they are painted as some kind of villain?
Everyone knows Jones didn’t fancy Alfie and that that was one of the factors at play. We don’t need to drag over old ground in a press conference four weeks from now when we can all read between the lines anyway.
As an aside, I don’t remember too many times at all where Jones didn’t appear in pre or post match interviews with Charlton TV.
Those of you swallowing this "wants to be closer to his family" line, please help me understand the following:
- 12 months ago, Alfie May was a Cheltenham player. Where were his family living then? In Cheltenham, or Doncaster? - Didn't he want to be " close to his family" when he agreed to join Charlton? Because wherever they were living, he was going to be fairly far away from them when signing for us. - Didn't he only quite recently buy a house near us? Why would you do that, if your family want to stay in Doncaster and you are on a two year contract?
Well?
Whilst playing at Cheltenham his family was living in Doncaster. When he signed for us they moved to Snodland I believe, near his family, assuming I suppose that being near his family would help his wife settle. That didn’t happen and she is missing her family hence why she has moved back to Doncaster. Having done the living away thing whilst at Cheltenham he’s decided that he can’t do that again and hence wanted a move closer to Doncaster. Birmingham is closer than Snodland is even though it’s still a two hour commute each way. I don’t think he bought his house, it was rented because the family home was still in Doncaster.
OK thats mostly plausible, but I do recall that when the speculation about him possibly going kicked off, somebody on here said he'd just bought a place locally. If that's not the case then fair enough. If he did buy the house then I find the whole line pretty implausible as a result.
Large is correct. May rented the house next door to Swisdom. It's all in this thread.
177 miles from the Valley to Doncaster 77 miles from Birmingham to Doncaster
Good luck Alfie, NJ better had got this right.
Surely that’s no longer hanging over him, May wanted a move and even handed in a transfer request to get it through.
we can’t hang NJ for not making a player stay when they don’t want to be here
Genuinely can't believe the amount of people falling for this spin.
Why was May subbed off most games before the end of the season and fans were already speaking about him being replaced over the summer if it were purely May's choice?
What a bizarre take.
Why would the club put out May requested a transfer if he didnt ? it would be so demonstrably false. I mean jesus, there were people here who were able to confirm he moved out of his house a week ago, you think it wouldnt be hard to find out he hadnt requested a transfer ?
The truth probably comes down to him being subbed off in some matches where he just wasn't having an impact and NJ took decisions which kept us in the league, now its entirely plausible NJ may not have had him playing every minute of every game next season, which at 32 and out of contract (next season) would hamper Alfies career prospects as its unlikely he would have the same goal return, therefore less offers. Also Birmingham have made a great offer, closer to his wifes family and he has decided that tips it andput the request to strike whilst the irons hot.
Yet again. May was the only reason NJ won any games last season.
Every win May scored. Everytime May was subbed we didn't win.
I believe May handed in a transfer request yes, but after being outright told and shown that he wasn't wanted and the club were actively seeking his replacement. So he wanted to go and move sooner rather than just waiting out the inevitable.
Jones wanted May gone regardless of May's decision-making and trying to frame it as purely May's choice is spin.
This is completely unhinged nonsense
Point to a win NJ has that May hasn't scored in? Pretty simple.
I think people forget how hard May carried the team last season with his goals. We were genuinely nothing going forward without his goal threat.
Saying he is the *only* reason we won any games under Jones is transparently nonsense though. Especially as the Derby game he merely scored a penalty, and the Cheltenham game he statpadded at the end with the game as good as won. But this is typical Charlton fan mania - being unable to give anyone except the designated hero players any credit
Point to a single game won with May not on the pitch.
If he's not influential and a quality player then surely Jones would've masterminded a single win without him? Just one?
Had plenty of chances with the amount he subbed off May towards the end of the season.
I mean he played in all but 3 games last season so that's kind of a false stat looking at such a small sample, but you keep banging that drum mate
Can someone please tell me where all these “Jones doesn’t rate Alfie” “Jones and Alfie don’t get on” “Alfie wasn’t guaranteed to start every match” have come from?
Is it all based on Alfie being subbed a few times at the back end of the season? Where is all the evidence, because I think I must of missed it all?
I’ll say it again in the Charlton lounges my mate who coached in local youth football years back spoke to Alfie who recognised him, this was just a few weeks after Jones arrived .
Alfie said Jones isn’t keen on me and I’ve tried to talk to him but he doesn’t want to have the conversation a few weeks later at the Carlisle game and Alfie was man of the match in the lounges , him and mate spoke again and he basically said it’s still the same Jones not keen on him .
One more thing about the so-called "comms" around this saga.
If you are an overseas (real or virtual) Addick and therefore a Charlton TV regular you won't have failed to notice that when Jones took over he was not available for interview on CTV with the same regularity as all the other managers were. It was obvious that this was something he'd insisted on. At the time I was OK with it because frankly in the latter stages of Appleton you'd rather pull out a wisdom tooth than watch some of his interviews. But there was, I thought, a certain arrogance to NJ's refusal to make himself available as the others did.
NJ might think that this is all part of the "manager, not coach", big statement, which again has its merits, especially if it stops the over-reach of unaccountable people like Andy Scott. But he'd also do well to remember that it isn't down to God that's he here. He's here because 10-15,000 people are willing to pay good money to help make this football club successful. In the week leading up to the first game he'll need to give an interview for them, which must include a frank and honest assessment of the squad and dealings, including why he let May go. If he hides behind the "Alfie wanted to be closer to his family" line, then, to put it mildly, that will be a very bad look. If he has a clear vision for how he wants to set up, it should be clear enough for us fans to understand it when he explains it to us. And equally it would be clear whether or not May could fit into that set-up. If NJ thinks May couldn't, or wouldn't, he should have the bollocks to come out and say so.
What do you expect him to say exactly? "Yeah he's a bit shit and a bit daft so we let him go?" That would ruin his reputation with most supporters.
If you want to know why May left, I can help: 1) Money, and fair enough 2) ClosER to his family 3) What is his best ROLE? Not position, but role? Because he's not quite an on the shoulder of the last man attacker, but he's not a back to goal striker. There's a lot of movement, but not always a lot of outcome from it. He can't play up front on his own. He probably isn't technical enough for a 10. A lot of his goals came from him playing as a 10 or wide right, even if a lot want to forget that. 4) He doesn't really lead the press and he doesn't win the ball back, contrast that with Kanu. And if you can't lead the press and you can't play up front on your own or with your back to goal, you're in an awkward situation where you need to be accommodated for. And he scores enough goals to be accommodated for, but put this together with 3 above and you start to see how he could be an awkward fit in a squad. 5) He's not the most tactically advanced footballer. As a result, there's a lot of running but it's not the most effective running, especially when working the channels. 6) Even after a sell on fee I expect the club will have trebled its investment for a 30 year old in one year. 7) He handed in a transfer request
None of this is to say selling him is right. Time will tell on that. It is to say there are reasons, both stated and unstated, why he is leaving. I suspect when Jones is done building this side we'll have a better feel for why May didn't fit. But given May was the one handing in a transfer request, Jones doesn't owe us an explanation because the biggest explanation, as we know things now, is Alfie wanted to leave.
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It's all spin and always plays out the same way.
Yes perhaps he was saying that but i sincerely doubt Birmingham or Huddersfield are naive enough to go, -"wow NJ just gave an interview singing the praises of May, stick another 0 n our bid lads", thats not how negotiations work the price would largely be set by May's stellar season last season.
Now please answer the question you ignored, ill paste below from my previous message -
Also last point you cant see at any point why a 31 year old footballer player would want to move for much more money ? thats doesn't make sense to you ? not everything is a conspiracy.
If Jones wanted May he would still be here.
If he's not influential and a quality player then surely Jones would've masterminded a single win without him? Just one?
Had plenty of chances with the amount he subbed off May towards the end of the season.
This petty squabbling is ridiculous.
It's purely Jones getting rid of the only reason we stayed up last season?
Also dont ignore the other points i made ? You see why we are after more strikers as opposed to relying on May, Kanu (who i like but is green), an ever injured Aneke and an ever injured Leaburn ?
You really think May will turn down the contract for much more money to stay here ? seriously ?
So why aren't the club telling us that?
If our strike force was May, Leaburn, Kanu and Aneke I don't believe we would have signed multiple strikers. Perhaps one to compliment Leaburn but that's all. The fact we were looking at multiple points to them offloading someone. I wonder who.
If you are an overseas (real or virtual) Addick and therefore a Charlton TV regular you won't have failed to notice that when Jones took over he was not available for interview on CTV with the same regularity as all the other managers were. It was obvious that this was something he'd insisted on. At the time I was OK with it because frankly in the latter stages of Appleton you'd rather pull out a wisdom tooth than watch some of his interviews. But there was, I thought, a certain arrogance to NJ's refusal to make himself available as the others did.
NJ might think that this is all part of the "manager, not coach", big statement, which again has its merits, especially if it stops the over-reach of unaccountable people like Andy Scott. But he'd also do well to remember that it isn't down to God that's he here. He's here because 10-15,000 people are willing to pay good money to help make this football club successful. In the week leading up to the first game he'll need to give an interview for them, which must include a frank and honest assessment of the squad and dealings, including why he let May go. If he hides behind the "Alfie wanted to be closer to his family" line, then, to put it mildly, that will be a very bad look. If he has a clear vision for how he wants to set up, it should be clear enough for us fans to understand it when he explains it to us. And equally it would be clear whether or not May could fit into that set-up. If NJ thinks May couldn't, or wouldn't, he should have the bollocks to come out and say so.
Thats not the point !!! our strike force wasnt those four though, answer the actual point not what you want it to be. We had one established striker for most of the season that was May, Kanu was recalled from a loan at conference level. Aneke cant be relied upon we know that, there are questions about Leaburns fitness. Also ignoring moving someone on ? He released Wickham and sent back Ladapo.
Our strike force for next season was May, Leaburn, Aneke and Kanu. You can claim we only had 'one established striker' but we are paying the wages for 4 professional strikers. There's zero way we're signing 2-3 strikers and paying 7 strikers wages on our books.
Read the first 50 pages and why people were worried about us losing May. It wasn't about his family or the money. I'll leave it at that.
oh now its three strikers not just two, keep moving the goal posts. it would be six with the two you originally quoted which is the exact number of strikers we had at the end of last season with Ladapo and Wickham. Also worth pointing out Kanu and Leaburn wouldnt be on great money either as they are still on their first pro contacts. Now repeat that so we know you understood it.
Good too see you leave it mate, probably best you hit the hay.
Finds themselves more money because teams, fighting for promotion, are desperate for their signature.
Player asks for a transfer. Club happily accepts and already has players lined up to replace them. (Polish Pete/Godden).
Don't see the similarities?
But yeah May left for family/money/he's old/the delights of Birmingham.
Pretending we'd have ended up with 6 strikers if Leaburn wasn't out for the entire year is cute spin though.
Like I said before, go back and read the first 50 pages. Seems you've got time on your hands.
Literally not a single reply to any point i made, not wasting my time anymore.
Everyone knows Jones didn’t fancy Alfie and that that was one of the factors at play. We don’t need to drag over old ground in a press conference four weeks from now when we can all read between the lines anyway.
As an aside, I don’t remember too many times at all where Jones didn’t appear in pre or post match interviews with Charlton TV.
May rented the house next door to Swisdom.
It's all in this thread.
in the Charlton lounges my mate who coached in local youth football years back spoke to Alfie who recognised him, this was just a few weeks after Jones arrived .
a few weeks later at the Carlisle game and Alfie was man of the match in the lounges , him and mate spoke again and he basically said it’s still the same Jones not keen on him .
If you want to know why May left, I can help:
1) Money, and fair enough
2) ClosER to his family
3) What is his best ROLE? Not position, but role? Because he's not quite an on the shoulder of the last man attacker, but he's not a back to goal striker. There's a lot of movement, but not always a lot of outcome from it. He can't play up front on his own. He probably isn't technical enough for a 10. A lot of his goals came from him playing as a 10 or wide right, even if a lot want to forget that.
4) He doesn't really lead the press and he doesn't win the ball back, contrast that with Kanu. And if you can't lead the press and you can't play up front on your own or with your back to goal, you're in an awkward situation where you need to be accommodated for. And he scores enough goals to be accommodated for, but put this together with 3 above and you start to see how he could be an awkward fit in a squad.
5) He's not the most tactically advanced footballer. As a result, there's a lot of running but it's not the most effective running, especially when working the channels.
6) Even after a sell on fee I expect the club will have trebled its investment for a 30 year old in one year.
7) He handed in a transfer request
None of this is to say selling him is right. Time will tell on that. It is to say there are reasons, both stated and unstated, why he is leaving. I suspect when Jones is done building this side we'll have a better feel for why May didn't fit. But given May was the one handing in a transfer request, Jones doesn't owe us an explanation because the biggest explanation, as we know things now, is Alfie wanted to leave.