No one can tell me the other 21 teams in this league all have better backs as individuals than we have in our squad. Jones is a decent League One player and his confidence is shot. It’s 100% down to the coaching and drilling.
It can’t be a coincidence that in recent years we seem to pick up some of the best or at least highly regarded league one players - and they seem to go backwards.
I think it’s more to do with were we are as a club.
Jones is decent in my view. I hope he comes through this and proves he’s a very good League 1 centre half. Not end up like Payne, Gilby, Fraser etc etc
No one can tell me the other 21 teams in this league all have better backs as individuals than we have in our squad. Jones is a decent League One player and his confidence is shot. It’s 100% down to the coaching and drilling.
We're starting Lucas Ness at the moment... I don't think he'd be starting for any of the other 21. I don't think any of our CBs are quite to the level Santos, Shaughnessy, Ragget, Toal, Edwards, Knight, etc.
It can’t be a coincidence that in recent years we seem to pick up some of the best or at least highly regarded league one players - and they seem to go backwards.
I think it’s more to do with were we are as a club.
Jones is decent in my view. I hope he comes through this and proves he’s a very good League 1 centre half. Not end up like Payne, Gilby, Fraser etc etc
Come on.. The players we have been signing in previous seasons was from bang average league 1 clubs fighting to stay up or league 2 players.. Maybe that is the reason we are where we are..
Charlton is a big move for them, but not at our level.. May is the only one recently I would say has been a good signing.
If you sign lower league 1 and league 2 players, you will soon become one of them,
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
Jones has been good thus far this season but I must admit I was expecting him to be more of a leader. He's very much in the same mould as Michael Morrison. Committed, will run through a wall for you but don't ask him to take charge and lead the defence - that's not him. Provided he's got someone guiding him and talking to him he's fine. Much like Ness last season - he needed his hand to be held and it worked well with good-Hector until Nessy's knee injury. This year Hector hasn't been at the races and so we've been rudderless at the back and that's what it is hoped Gillesphey can sort out because someone has to dominate at the back.
Surprising how important that leader is. I was watching Wesr Ham U21 vs Stoke U21s on Friday night and the Stoke centre back - a 16 year old man-child was barking orders at, among other Ciaran Clark, because nobody else took charge. Impressive when someone does it but massively noticeable when nobody does it.
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I’ve been pretty critical of Jones, but I don’t think he made too many bad mistakes in the early part of the season, just small ones maybe, like most league one players (and I’m a leading critic lol), but Hector had the misfortune to make a couple of comical mistakes, like the one where he misjudged a clearance that he allowed to bounce over his head. People made their minds a bit too early about him because of that. Reminded me of Naby Sarr who lost the fans when he allowed the big Millwall CF (Smith?) to head the Millwall winner from a corner at the Den.
I don't think that is completely fair about Hector, some of us did not want him re signed in the summer due to his performances last season.
Same with Thomas, who is playing well currently but I need him to still be playing well in another ten matches before I am willing to accept he is anything more then mid table bang average.
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Didn't note the games, so I have just watched through games I seem to remember plus a few others.. may agree or not.
Bristol Rovers.. Ball watching from the free kick, and his man just walked past him to score Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him Stevenage - terrible defending, beat way to easily and allowed Reid a free shot. Exeter terrible line and communication, point your finger at Hector as well.. Both at fault. Lincoln 2 goals, beaten to easily and 2nd goal half hearted trying to close down a ball, which was to his advantage. Bolton maybe a bit harsh, but didn't react, and half hearted to allow the Bolton player in!!
Doesn't include the games over Christmas and start of 2024.. But that was depressing enough
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Didn't note the games, so I have just watched through games I seem to remember plus a few others.. may agree or not.
Bristol Rovers.. Ball watching from the free kick, and his man just walked past him to score Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him Stevenage - terrible defending, beat way to easily and allowed Reid a free shot. Exeter terrible line and communication, point your finger at Hector as well.. Both at fault. Lincoln 2 goals, beaten to easily and 2nd goal half hearted trying to close down a ball, which was to his advantage. Bolton maybe a bit harsh, but didn't react, and half hearted to allow the Bolton player in!!
Doesn't include the games over Christmas and start of 2024.. But that was depressing enough
Not going to deal with everyone of those games but if it's the Bristol away game you are referring too, that was clearly CBT ball watching and not standing in front of the free kick taker. The Stevenage goal was also CBT who didn't put a challenge in allowing the player to advance into the area. The Port vale game is nobodies fault bar Hector, Hector and Jones are where they should be but Hector misreads the bounce.
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Didn't note the games, so I have just watched through games I seem to remember plus a few others.. may agree or not.
Bristol Rovers.. Ball watching from the free kick, and his man just walked past him to score Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him Stevenage - terrible defending, beat way to easily and allowed Reid a free shot. Exeter terrible line and communication, point your finger at Hector as well.. Both at fault. Lincoln 2 goals, beaten to easily and 2nd goal half hearted trying to close down a ball, which was to his advantage. Bolton maybe a bit harsh, but didn't react, and half hearted to allow the Bolton player in!!
Doesn't include the games over Christmas and start of 2024.. But that was depressing enough
Not going to deal with everyone of those games but if it's the Bristol away game you are referring too, that was clearly CBT ball watching and not standing in front of the free kick taker. The Stevenage goal was also CBT who didn't put a challenge in allowing the player to advance into the area. The Port vale game is nobodies fault bar Hector, Hector and Jones are where they should be but Hector misreads the bounce.
Sorry not having that, he is a defender, and wasn't switched on, and should never get beat that easy.. Fact! You can not defend him for those..
Ball should have never got to Hector, and was expecting Jones to head the ball. But as I said, Hector should have done better as well.
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him
The one that's three feet over his head?
"Maybe" Hector should have done better?
WIthout even going into the others, you'd have to accept that's quite an unconvincing list when you've said he's had way more errors than Hec. If you don't rate him fair enough, I don't think he's a top L1 CB, but he was pretty solid earlier in the season.
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him
The one that's three feet over his head?
"Maybe" Hector should have done better?
WIthout even going into the others, you'd have to accept that's quite an unconvincing list when you've said he's had way more errors than Hec.
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him
The one that's three feet over his head?
"Maybe" Hector should have done better?
WIthout even going into the others, you'd have to accept that's quite an unconvincing list when you've said he's had way more errors than Hec.
Sorry, as you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win the headers, he needs to go and win that..
Hector as you can see, has done the right thing backed off to win the flick on, and when they both miss it was always going to be difficult to deal with.
Even Edun has left his position, as expecting Jones to win the header.. If you go to win the ball, you have to win it.. or get something on it..
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him
The one that's three feet over his head?
"Maybe" Hector should have done better?
WIthout even going into the others, you'd have to accept that's quite an unconvincing list when you've said he's had way more errors than Hec.
Sorry, as you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win the headers, he needs to go and win that..
Win it how, with a jetpack... ? I don't think we even need to go into the minutae of what's happening in that clip, it's clear as day. I was at the game and Hector's misjudgement of that ball was one of the most bizarre moments I've seen on a football pitch.
Re: "you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win headers" I think you've got me confused with somebody else. I mentioned that Jones wins more headers and duels than Hector does. But it was others who said the reason for that statistical difference is because he's the attacking CB and Hector is the one who sits behind. Not something I particularly agree with.
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him
The one that's three feet over his head?
"Maybe" Hector should have done better?
WIthout even going into the others, you'd have to accept that's quite an unconvincing list when you've said he's had way more errors than Hec.
Sorry, as you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win the headers, he needs to go and win that..
Win it how, with a jetpack... ? I don't think we even need to go into the minutae of what's happening in that clip, it's clear as day. I was at the game and Hector's misjudgement of that ball was one of the most bizarre moments I've seen on a football pitch.
Re: "you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win headers" I think you've got me confused with somebody else. I mentioned that Jones wins more headers and duels than Hector does. But it was others who said the reason for that statistical difference is because he's the attacking CB and Hector is the one who sits behind. Not something I particularly agree with.
Apologies if I got you confused with someone else.. It wasn't that far over his head, he has ducked under it.. I even remember Brownie saying at the time, he needs to win that..
As I said Hector plays a big part in this, but so does Jones 100% he should be getting up to win that.
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him
The one that's three feet over his head?
"Maybe" Hector should have done better?
WIthout even going into the others, you'd have to accept that's quite an unconvincing list when you've said he's had way more errors than Hec.
Sorry, as you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win the headers, he needs to go and win that..
Win it how, with a jetpack... ? I don't think we even need to go into the minutae of what's happening in that clip, it's clear as day. I was at the game and Hector's misjudgement of that ball was one of the most bizarre moments I've seen on a football pitch.
Re: "you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win headers" I think you've got me confused with somebody else. I mentioned that Jones wins more headers and duels than Hector does. But it was others who said the reason for that statistical difference is because he's the attacking CB and Hector is the one who sits behind. Not something I particularly agree with.
Apologies if I got you confused with someone else.. It wasn't that far over his head, he has ducked under it.. I even remember Brownie saying at the time, he needs to win that..
As I said Hector plays a big part in this, but so does Jones 100% he should be getting up to win that.
It wasn’t that far over his head? No it wasn’t, if he were 8ft something !
How many CBs win that? Maybe you could say he should have read it better and been deeper, but he was marking an opponent and Hector was covering that space behind him.
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him
The one that's three feet over his head?
"Maybe" Hector should have done better?
WIthout even going into the others, you'd have to accept that's quite an unconvincing list when you've said he's had way more errors than Hec.
Sorry, as you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win the headers, he needs to go and win that..
Win it how, with a jetpack... ? I don't think we even need to go into the minutae of what's happening in that clip, it's clear as day. I was at the game and Hector's misjudgement of that ball was one of the most bizarre moments I've seen on a football pitch.
Re: "you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win headers" I think you've got me confused with somebody else. I mentioned that Jones wins more headers and duels than Hector does. But it was others who said the reason for that statistical difference is because he's the attacking CB and Hector is the one who sits behind. Not something I particularly agree with.
Apologies if I got you confused with someone else.. It wasn't that far over his head, he has ducked under it.. I even remember Brownie saying at the time, he needs to win that..
As I said Hector plays a big part in this, but so does Jones 100% he should be getting up to win that.
A defender is not always guaranteed to win a header against an opponent, have a look at defenders against Chuks as an example, Hector places himself correctly because he understands that there is no guarantee and make a hash of it. Next time you watch a game, because you clearly have never played it, see how many headed duals are won or lost.
They presumably brought in Gillesphey to be 1st choice CB? Hasn’t had time to prove himself as yet. What about REG? Where is he supposed to be in the pecking order? And is he more of a utility player than a CB? For me, Ness is improving, although not at pre injury level yet.
Hector for me is pretty good, with someone steady alongside him. I think he did well alongside Thomas.
Jones is probably our best defender aerially, but has proved to have deficiencies on the ground.
Current order based on form, ignoring injuries:
1. Thomas 2. Gillesphey 3. Hector 4. REG 5. Ness 6. Jones
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him
The one that's three feet over his head?
"Maybe" Hector should have done better?
WIthout even going into the others, you'd have to accept that's quite an unconvincing list when you've said he's had way more errors than Hec.
That goal is all on Hector
I think if Jones was on Hector's shoulders he may have got to it. Unbelievable that anyone could think Jones should have headed that ball. I doubt he could have got a finger tip to the ball if he jumped with both arms up.
We’re obsessing about one goal. These things happen. It’s more the repeated mistake of not closing down and not showing a player outside that is worrying.
Good coaching should help. Pearce possibly, but Brownie might do it better, given the chance. Played at a higher level.
I really think he has been overhyped at the start of the season, he was making a lot of errors early part, and wasn't always leading to goals.. And as fans we was to focused on Hector..
Seems a nice lad, but he is bottom half league one player!
I think he’s being underrated now because of his recent form. It’s not so black and white, he never was a top L1 CB but he’s better than a bottom half player.
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He is good in the air, if he only had to head the ball he would be the best defender in the league.. But his marking is poor, he isn't a good communicator and general reading of the game is poor. 1 out 4 things to be a decent defender! That doesn't include being comfortable with the ball at his feet, which is becoming more and more important, but you can still be a good career without that.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
No one was really picking up on any of this when he was playing well, maybe those weaknesses aren’t quite as bad as you’re suggesting.
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
I certainly was.. and mentioned it a number of times, when people were going on about Hector not being very good.. Hector through out the start of the season, ended up picking Jones man up..
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
What errors did Jones make earlier in the season specifically?
Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him
The one that's three feet over his head?
"Maybe" Hector should have done better?
WIthout even going into the others, you'd have to accept that's quite an unconvincing list when you've said he's had way more errors than Hec.
Sorry, as you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win the headers, he needs to go and win that..
Win it how, with a jetpack... ? I don't think we even need to go into the minutae of what's happening in that clip, it's clear as day. I was at the game and Hector's misjudgement of that ball was one of the most bizarre moments I've seen on a football pitch.
Re: "you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win headers" I think you've got me confused with somebody else. I mentioned that Jones wins more headers and duels than Hector does. But it was others who said the reason for that statistical difference is because he's the attacking CB and Hector is the one who sits behind. Not something I particularly agree with.
Apologies if I got you confused with someone else.. It wasn't that far over his head, he has ducked under it.. I even remember Brownie saying at the time, he needs to win that..
As I said Hector plays a big part in this, but so does Jones 100% he should be getting up to win that.
A defender is not always guaranteed to win a header against an opponent, have a look at defenders against Chuks as an example, Hector places himself correctly because he understands that there is no guarantee and make a hash of it. Next time you watch a game, because you clearly have never played it, see how many headed duals are won or lost.
Hahaha… pretty sure I have played a better and higher standard than you.. 😉
Obviously a defender not always going to win the ball, that is the game for you, as you will see Hector backs off, incase there is a flick.
Maybe I am being slightly harsh on Jones in this case, but one thing for sure Rufus is winning that header, he isn’t letting his man stopping him for jumping.
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Charlton is a big move for them, but not at our level.. May is the only one recently I would say has been a good signing.
If you sign lower league 1 and league 2 players, you will soon become one of them,
He’s not the dominate Championship ready CB we want but you don’t need four of those to get promoted.
Most CBs wouldn’t fully convince playing in this team as they’re constantly under pressure, especially when we haven’t had a physical striker to hold up the ball. Our midfield aren’t great at protecting the defence either.
That dominate CB needs to be one of a few priorities in the summer (assuming we won’t sign a third this window) but we shouldn’t write off Jones as if he’s the problem and can’t contribute.
He did okay after the mistake, but was only basic defending!
At the moment, Thomas is our best defender currently, and that is a bit of a worry!
Same with Thomas, he’s now being seen as our best available CB as he’s had a few good games. If he makes a mistake or two to give away a goal over the next month the discussion will move to releasing him in the summer. It’s not that black and white, either could provide decent cover in a promotion challenging squad. Until recently Jones was the one most would have picked if one had to be a regular.
This year Hector hasn't been at the races and so we've been rudderless at the back and that's what it is hoped Gillesphey can sort out because someone has to dominate at the back.
Basic stuff
Hector did get caught on the ball and yes made some defensive errors as well, but no where near the amount as Jones.
Personally, not a fan of Thomas, and won't win promotion with him, but he has done well last few weeks
We need better starting regular next season.
Same with Thomas, who is playing well currently but I need him to still be playing well in another ten matches before I am willing to accept he is anything more then mid table bang average.
Bristol Rovers.. Ball watching from the free kick, and his man just walked past him to score
Port Vale at home. Not winning the header, allowed the ball to bounce just in front of Hector.. Maybe Hector should have done better, but the ball should have never got to him
Stevenage - terrible defending, beat way to easily and allowed Reid a free shot.
Exeter terrible line and communication, point your finger at Hector as well.. Both at fault.
Lincoln 2 goals, beaten to easily and 2nd goal half hearted trying to close down a ball, which was to his advantage.
Bolton maybe a bit harsh, but didn't react, and half hearted to allow the Bolton player in!!
Doesn't include the games over Christmas and start of 2024.. But that was depressing enough
Ball should have never got to Hector, and was expecting Jones to head the ball. But as I said, Hector should have done better as well.
The one that's three feet over his head?
"Maybe" Hector should have done better?
WIthout even going into the others, you'd have to accept that's quite an unconvincing list when you've said he's had way more errors than Hec. If you don't rate him fair enough, I don't think he's a top L1 CB, but he was pretty solid earlier in the season.
Hector as you can see, has done the right thing backed off to win the flick on, and when they both miss it was always going to be difficult to deal with.
Even Edun has left his position, as expecting Jones to win the header.. If you go to win the ball, you have to win it.. or get something on it..
Re: "you have mentioned enough times about Jones being the attacking defender to go and win headers" I think you've got me confused with somebody else. I mentioned that Jones wins more headers and duels than Hector does. But it was others who said the reason for that statistical difference is because he's the attacking CB and Hector is the one who sits behind. Not something I particularly agree with.
As I said Hector plays a big part in this, but so does Jones 100% he should be getting up to win that.
What about REG? Where is he supposed to be in the pecking order? And is he more of a utility player than a CB?
For me, Ness is improving, although not at pre injury level yet.
Current order based on form, ignoring injuries:
2. Gillesphey
3. Hector
4. REG
5. Ness
6. Jones
Tbh, none of those are standouts.
Unbelievable that anyone could think Jones should have headed that ball.
I doubt he could have got a finger tip to the ball if he jumped with both arms up.
Obviously a defender not always going to win the ball, that is the game for you, as you will see Hector backs off, incase there is a flick.
Maybe I am being slightly harsh on Jones in this case, but one thing for sure Rufus is winning that header, he isn’t letting his man stopping him for jumping.