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  • JamesSeed said:
    Certain players aren’t fully fit after recovering from injuries, some new signings won’t have bedded in yet, 
    So are you saying it might be better signing players in June rather than July.

    Just wanted to be certain....🤔🤭
    Of course, but they’re not always available in June. 
  • Oggy Red said:
    ross1 said:
    ross1 said:
    Until a new striker is obtained or Leaburn is fit, why not move CBT into middle with May and play Edun on left. Solve left defence problem, I will leave others to say about CBT as a striker 
    Edun not sufficiently fit/up to speed quite yet. Same situation as Jones who took a couple of weeks behind the scenes to catch up before he was introduced. Suspect Peterborough away is his target, same as Taylor.

    I think our squad will be a lot fitter this season from the off compared with previous seasons. I would play Campbell or Kanu up top with May come Saturday, not Kirk. 
    Still not solved defence problem on left, if Edun not fit, play Thomas
    Thomas is at least mobile, sufficiently athletic but he's not a LWB. We may get away with it as a very short term fix, but it's not ideal.


    Based on Saturday, id be starting him ahead of Ness as a CB. He looked a lot more assured that him and carrys the ball out well.
    On the left yes, with Ness on the right. He’s much better there. 
    Remember Ness was pretty exceptional before his injury, with many of us on here expecting to lose him in the summer window. Scored very highly in the players marks threads, and his pass complete was vg too. 
    Really hoping he can rediscover that form after his injury, but it’s always possible that he won’t.

    I think Holden encouraged the team to play out from the back last season, but to play the long ball when under pressure. I’m pretty sure we’ll revert to that after the preseason when risks were taken in order to practice keeping the ball on the ground. Need that big fella up front urgently, whether it’s Leaburn or a.n. other, for when we do lump it from the back. 
  • JamesSeed said:
    Oggy Red said:
    ross1 said:
    ross1 said:
    Until a new striker is obtained or Leaburn is fit, why not move CBT into middle with May and play Edun on left. Solve left defence problem, I will leave others to say about CBT as a striker 
    Edun not sufficiently fit/up to speed quite yet. Same situation as Jones who took a couple of weeks behind the scenes to catch up before he was introduced. Suspect Peterborough away is his target, same as Taylor.

    I think our squad will be a lot fitter this season from the off compared with previous seasons. I would play Campbell or Kanu up top with May come Saturday, not Kirk. 
    Still not solved defence problem on left, if Edun not fit, play Thomas
    Thomas is at least mobile, sufficiently athletic but he's not a LWB. We may get away with it as a very short term fix, but it's not ideal.


    Based on Saturday, id be starting him ahead of Ness as a CB. He looked a lot more assured that him and carrys the ball out well.
    On the left yes, with Ness on the right. He’s much better there. 
    Remember Ness was pretty exceptional before his injury, with many of us on here expecting to lose him in the summer window. Scored very highly in the players marks threads, and his pass complete was vg too. 
    Really hoping he can rediscover that form after his injury, but it’s always possible that he won’t.

    I think Holden encouraged the team to play out from the back last season, but to play the long ball when under pressure. I’m pretty sure we’ll revert to that after the preseason when risks were taken in order to practice keeping the ball on the ground. Need that big fella up front urgently, whether it’s Leaburn or a.n. other, for when we do lump it from the back. 
    I havent got an issue with Ness in general but my worry is that his confidence will take a pounding. He looked bereft of it that first half Saturday. 

    We do need a strong striker. Someone who can hold it up, win headers etc but with more mobility than say, Stockley. Failing that, we can play more direct with CBT or Campbell partnering May. 

    Its a cliché I know but we are a couple of signings away from being a good team.  
  • On the basis that we only have one striker, no left footed CB & Edun isn’t ready to play, we should play 433 on Sat:

    AMB

    Asiimwe
    Hector
    Jones
    Thomas (ok as a standard left back)

    Dobbo
    Camara
    Fraser

    Campbell
    May
    CBT

    Worked well for us last season and will prevent us being massively exposed down the wings as per Aberdeen.

    Also allows our most dangerous player to focus on what he is good at & actually be a winger.
    Would like to see this line-up on Saturday. 
  • On the basis that we only have one striker, no left footed CB & Edun isn’t ready to play, we should play 433 on Sat:

    AMB

    Asiimwe
    Hector
    Jones
    Thomas (ok as a standard left back)

    Dobbo
    Camara
    Fraser

    Campbell
    May
    CBT

    Worked well for us last season and will prevent us being massively exposed down the wings as per Aberdeen.

    Also allows our most dangerous player to focus on what he is good at & actually be a winger.
    Would like to see this line-up on Saturday. 
    So would I but sadly as other poster said. Can’t see anyway that DH is going to after literally almost the entire pre season playing 3-5-2 suddenly go after all that first competitive game we’re playing 4-3-3 just can’t see it happening. 
    More than likely the team that started was his favoured potential line up with maybe 2-3 positions up for grabs. As even if we got a striker in now he like Taylor and Edun they won’t be thrown straight in I believe.
                         
  • edited July 2023
    NabySarr said:
    On the basis that we only have one striker, no left footed CB & Edun isn’t ready to play, we should play 433 on Sat:

    AMB

    Asiimwe
    Hector
    Jones
    Thomas (ok as a standard left back)

    Dobbo
    Camara
    Fraser

    Campbell
    May
    CBT

    Worked well for us last season and will prevent us being massively exposed down the wings as per Aberdeen.

    Also allows our most dangerous player to focus on what he is good at & actually be a winger.
    I can’t see Holden scrapping 3-5-2 just because of one bad game. Last week we matched a strong championship side playing the same system. We’ve worked on it all pre-season and until Saturday it was going well
    You may well be right ....... but we've identified some big issues, because with 3-5-2 we're lacking specialist players to suit the system in 3 positions:

    1) LCB ...... in 3-5-2 the LCB ideally needs to be left footed. Right footed LCB can be hopelessly exposed on the counter, particulary without cover when the LWB is caught upfield.

    2) LWB .... we need a left footed specialist LWB, with good pace and engine, tracks back and defensively capable. When he's fit, that's Edun.

    3) Striker/target man ......... physically capable of holding up the ball, making sure it sticks up front and relieving pressure on defence.  Vision, link up play, mobility and knack of scoring goals is necessary also. We're not going to see the best of May otherwise, with Leaburn injured.

    Otherwise, 4-3-3 suits the players actually available for Saturday.






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  • edited July 2023
    Not ITK but still expect some new faces in the next week or two. We’re not alone as a League 1 side having to wait till higher league clubs sort their squads out.

    Still just hoping for a ‘normal’ season looking forward to the games coming up rather than constantly refreshing a takeover thread.
  • On the basis that we only have one striker, no left footed CB & Edun isn’t ready to play, we should play 433 on Sat:

    AMB

    Asiimwe
    Hector
    Jones
    Thomas (ok as a standard left back)

    Dobbo
    Camara
    Fraser

    Campbell
    May
    CBT

    Worked well for us last season and will prevent us being massively exposed down the wings as per Aberdeen.

    Also allows our most dangerous player to focus on what he is good at & actually be a winger.
    Would like to see this line-up on Saturday. 
    So would I but sadly as other poster said. Can’t see anyway that DH is going to after literally almost the entire pre season playing 3-5-2 suddenly go after all that first competitive game we’re playing 4-3-3 just can’t see it happening. 
    More than likely the team that started was his favoured potential line up with maybe 2-3 positions up for grabs. As even if we got a striker in now he like Taylor and Edun they won’t be thrown straight in I believe.
                         
    I'm sure any striker signed this week would at least make the bench.

    I don't get the attitude from some of its ok Edun, Taylor etc will be fit in a few weeks. Points in the first couple of games are just as important as any others this season, you dont get more points as the season progresses. A good start is imperative. We finished 30 odd points off automatics last season, that's a hell of a lot to overturn.

    And about 7 of the starting 11 will be from.last seasons piss poor effort.
    Yeah, but Large, if the manager has seen or been told the new players aren't ready, it's hardly worth the risk of injury or wrecking them if they're not yet  physically up to the intensity of a League match.
  • Not ITK but still expect some new faces in the next week or two. We’re not alone as a League 1 side having to wait till higher league clubs sort their squads out.

    Still just hoping for a ‘normal’ season looking to games coming up rather than constantly refreshing a takeover thread.
    Loan market doesn’t really start until league cup 1st round is played. Most the squad fillers in championship are kept around until being knocked out of the league cup and then are sent out on loan. 
  • edited July 2023
    Oggy Red said:
    On the basis that we only have one striker, no left footed CB & Edun isn’t ready to play, we should play 433 on Sat:

    AMB

    Asiimwe
    Hector
    Jones
    Thomas (ok as a standard left back)

    Dobbo
    Camara
    Fraser

    Campbell
    May
    CBT

    Worked well for us last season and will prevent us being massively exposed down the wings as per Aberdeen.

    Also allows our most dangerous player to focus on what he is good at & actually be a winger.
    Would like to see this line-up on Saturday. 
    So would I but sadly as other poster said. Can’t see anyway that DH is going to after literally almost the entire pre season playing 3-5-2 suddenly go after all that first competitive game we’re playing 4-3-3 just can’t see it happening. 
    More than likely the team that started was his favoured potential line up with maybe 2-3 positions up for grabs. As even if we got a striker in now he like Taylor and Edun they won’t be thrown straight in I believe.
                         
    I'm sure any striker signed this week would at least make the bench.

    I don't get the attitude from some of its ok Edun, Taylor etc will be fit in a few weeks. Points in the first couple of games are just as important as any others this season, you dont get more points as the season progresses. A good start is imperative. We finished 30 odd points off automatics last season, that's a hell of a lot to overturn.

    And about 7 of the starting 11 will be from.last seasons piss poor effort.
    Yeah, but Large, if the manager has seen or been told the new players aren't ready, it's hardly worth the risk of injury or wrecking them if they're not yet  physically up to the intensity of a League match.
    I get that. Edun for example has done a pre season albeit with Blackburn's stiffs so could he really have not done 30 minutes on Saturday last? If not then I suppose we won't see him for three or so weeks, likewise Taylor. And what about Hector, was all at sea Saturday apparently and he'd missed two pre season games. I must admit I'm nowhere near as confident about this season as most seem to be (did ensure I avoided the play off final date when booking next year's holiday though, just in case).
  • Oggy Red said:
    NabySarr said:
    On the basis that we only have one striker, no left footed CB & Edun isn’t ready to play, we should play 433 on Sat:

    AMB

    Asiimwe
    Hector
    Jones
    Thomas (ok as a standard left back)

    Dobbo
    Camara
    Fraser

    Campbell
    May
    CBT

    Worked well for us last season and will prevent us being massively exposed down the wings as per Aberdeen.

    Also allows our most dangerous player to focus on what he is good at & actually be a winger.
    I can’t see Holden scrapping 3-5-2 just because of one bad game. Last week we matched a strong championship side playing the same system. We’ve worked on it all pre-season and until Saturday it was going well
    You may well be right ....... but we've identified some big issues, because with 3-5-2 we're lacking specialist players to suit the system in 3 positions:

    1) LCB ...... in 3-5-2 the LCB ideally needs to be left footed. Right footed LCB can be hopelessly exposed on the counter, particulary without cover when the LWB is caught upfield.

    2) LWB .... we need a left footed specialist LWB, with good pace and engine, tracks back and defensively capable. When he's fit, that's Edun.

    3) Striker/target man ......... physically capable of holding up the ball, making sure it sticks up front and relieving pressure on defence.  Vision, link up play, mobility and knack of scoring goals is necessary also. We're not going to see the best of May otherwise, with Leaburn injured.

    Otherwise, 4-3-3 suits the players actually available for Saturday.






    I’m not sure it’s massively better suited? Thomas is more natural at LCB than he is Left back. May is not someone who plays well when he is up there on his own. We aren’t really suited to any formation at the moment, so I’d rather stick with the one we’ve been using (and done pretty well) and that we are going to use for the rest of this season
  • Get yer corey out (blackett-taylor) and stick him up top alongside May, come Saturday realistically who else is going to play there?
  • We are only looking to fill 2-3 more positions, with a month left of the window.

    Don’t be surprised if we continue to see a slightly slower period while we wait for the right targets to become available. There will be another flurry of activity at some point in August, just hard to predict exactly when that will be.

    It’s better to have a Kermorgant available for 40 games than it is to have a Josh Parker for 46.
    Agree, assuming there aren’t more outs than we expect.

    Don’t forget the clubs we’re up against will have gaps they’re looking to fill with new signings or players getting fit. It’s not as if everyone has finished building their squads except us.

    I’m confident Holden won’t stubbornly stick to a formation if it’s not working, including during games. 
  • I am finding it quite amusing seeing people begging for us to play 433 before we've even started playing 352 after people spent so much time on here last season asking for 433 to be ditched in favour of 442. I don't know what it is about our fans always wanting the shape to change but we seem to always want to do something different. People get absolutely livid when we don't have two strikers on and Alfie May is not a lone striker. He needs a partner. CBT has spent a lot more games in recent years playing LWB than May has on his own up front and more than Campbell has played on the right wing. I don't particularly like him there but he'll do. Ness played left-sided centre half for us last season in a two, I think he'll be ok in a three. We had one dodgy pre-season game, we really shouldn't throw away all our prep for that. We might not have the squad fully completed yet but the better thing to do is to get the players playing the shape and patterns in competitive games and then improve on the players on the pitch rather than completely avoiding it all until we have the perfect line-up. I do think we need another centre half to add competition and reduce the pressure on Ness and we definitely need another striker. I'm not sure that we'll get another LWB in as Edun will be the main one and CBT will cover. Thomas is absolutely not a wing-back. It's not my dream to start the season with Kirk or Campbell up front but we will get another striker in before the window closes, in the meantime I'd rather we play a shape we've trained for and put someone alongside May to work with him rather than guaranteeing we're setting him up to have a bad afternoon on his own up there.
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  • To be fair @Garrymanilow we haven't suited 3-5-2 in over 2 seasons.

    No left back, injured right back, a lack of 3 central midfielders. 

    We have the 3 midfielders to play it with Dobson, Fraser and then Taylor/Camara/Payne, Anderson to add to the central options but Blackett Taylor, Kirk, DJ and Campbell are not wing backs.

    Edun is not fit
    Egbo could suit potentially
    Our other right back is having his first season in professional football 

    4-3-3 with May, Blackett-Taylor and Campbell seems the most sensible option as we only have one centre forward fit for purpose right now.
  • I am finding it quite amusing seeing people begging for us to play 433 before we've even started playing 352 after people spent so much time on here last season asking for 433 to be ditched in favour of 442. I don't know what it is about our fans always wanting the shape to change but we seem to always want to do something different. People get absolutely livid when we don't have two strikers on and Alfie May is not a lone striker. He needs a partner. CBT has spent a lot more games in recent years playing LWB than May has on his own up front and more than Campbell has played on the right wing. I don't particularly like him there but he'll do. Ness played left-sided centre half for us last season in a two, I think he'll be ok in a three. We had one dodgy pre-season game, we really shouldn't throw away all our prep for that. We might not have the squad fully completed yet but the better thing to do is to get the players playing the shape and patterns in competitive games and then improve on the players on the pitch rather than completely avoiding it all until we have the perfect line-up. I do think we need another centre half to add competition and reduce the pressure on Ness and we definitely need another striker. I'm not sure that we'll get another LWB in as Edun will be the main one and CBT will cover. Thomas is absolutely not a wing-back. It's not my dream to start the season with Kirk or Campbell up front but we will get another striker in before the window closes, in the meantime I'd rather we play a shape we've trained for and put someone alongside May to work with him rather than guaranteeing we're setting him up to have a bad afternoon on his own up there.
    I agree with this, but would add a big caveat: once again we have a team with players who ate best suited to different formations. So Campbell, Kirk (for however much he is relevant), and CBT are all suited to a 4-3-3 or 3-4-3. But Dobbo and Fraser need to be a part of a midfield three, so that brings us to 4-3-3.

    But with Miles hurt we don't have a center forward who can player as a line frontman. 

    So we're Bck to 5-3-2, but we're shoehorning Campbell and Kirk up front, and CBT as a wingback.

    Obviously there's still a month to go before the deadline, and I expect some of these things will be rectified. But I'm worried that for this season, in order to become more attacking and bring on Campbell and CBT, we're going to have to change formations. And that's not ideal if you're looking to tweaks things in the 60th minute.
  • Redhenry said:
    We need to sign a striker, money needs to be spent or the season will be wasted again. Loans won't cut it IMHO
    Unfortunately Ipswich will not let Ladapo go until they get another striker in. Still our main target. 
  • We are only looking to fill 2-3 more positions, with a month left of the window.

    Don’t be surprised if we continue to see a slightly slower period while we wait for the right targets to become available. There will be another flurry of activity at some point in August, just hard to predict exactly when that will be.

    It’s better to have a Kermorgant available for 40 games than it is to have a Josh Parker for 46.

    Not correct looking to bring in 4/5 players 
    We will see..
  • We are only looking to fill 2-3 more positions, with a month left of the window.

    Don’t be surprised if we continue to see a slightly slower period while we wait for the right targets to become available. There will be another flurry of activity at some point in August, just hard to predict exactly when that will be.

    It’s better to have a Kermorgant available for 40 games than it is to have a Josh Parker for 46.

    Not correct looking to bring in 4/5 players 
    Maybe, but 2 or 3 of our players will need to be moved on first.


  • Is Alfie May going to end up in the same boat as Stockley, but with polar opposite traits and characteristics? 

  • Oggy Red said:
    I am finding it quite amusing seeing people begging for us to play 433 before we've even started playing 352 after people spent so much time on here last season asking for 433 to be ditched in favour of 442. I don't know what it is about our fans always wanting the shape to change but we seem to always want to do something different. People get absolutely livid when we don't have two strikers on and Alfie May is not a lone striker. He needs a partner. CBT has spent a lot more games in recent years playing LWB than May has on his own up front and more than Campbell has played on the right wing. I don't particularly like him there but he'll do. Ness played left-sided centre half for us last season in a two, I think he'll be ok in a three. We had one dodgy pre-season game, we really shouldn't throw away all our prep for that. We might not have the squad fully completed yet but the better thing to do is to get the players playing the shape and patterns in competitive games and then improve on the players on the pitch rather than completely avoiding it all until we have the perfect line-up. I do think we need another centre half to add competition and reduce the pressure on Ness and we definitely need another striker. I'm not sure that we'll get another LWB in as Edun will be the main one and CBT will cover. Thomas is absolutely not a wing-back. It's not my dream to start the season with Kirk or Campbell up front but we will get another striker in before the window closes, in the meantime I'd rather we play a shape we've trained for and put someone alongside May to work with him rather than guaranteeing we're setting him up to have a bad afternoon on his own up there.
    I'm not particularly in favour of 4-3-3 myself and prefer the more fluid gung-ho of a 3-5-2 ...... but no matter how often the formation has been practiced, Aberdeen very easily exposed our playing of square pegs in round holes. Without specialist players to suit in some positions, we're going to be particularly vulnerable caught on the break - Orient will no doubt do their homework.

    First rule of football: Don't get beat.

    If our defensive play is a colander full of holes, then we need to sort the defensive strategies first. At least eliminate best we can glaring vulnerabilities.
    Curbs would call it back to basics.






    All true but with the caveat that while we (Lifers) won't have seen Orients preseason you can be sure Holden will, or had people watching it at least.

    No doubt there's weaknesses in our probable shape but there'll be weaknesses in theirs too. What those are is not for me to say but it's not a case that we are automatically going to have a "lose the game" button that Orient can press at will.
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