Is There Any Reason For An Owner To Spend Money Upgrading The Valley?

SporadicAddick

randy andy said:

stoneroses19 said:

randy andy said:

If we got promoted back to the premier league we would obviously need more hospitality and media space. The solution that springs to mind is lose the top tier of the west stand, allowing expansion of the press gallery and two levels of executive boxes/studio space/etc. where the seating currently is.  You'd need to maintain a least some seating up there, maybe a handful of rows between the press gantry and the executive boxes to allow continued use of the lounge up there.

Then expand the Jimmy seed, filling in the corners, raising the roof to match the Curbishly stand and extend backwards. Overall capacity would be around 32k, but with massively more hospitality and media space. There's also room for another 4 or 5 boxes at the back of the Curbishley stand, but alone that won't add much income.

Of course this is all pie in the sky, nothing is happening whilst we don't own the ground, nor whilst we're 2 promotions away from the promised land.

I know it's only your idea, but I hope we'd never do that to the west stand. 

Those stands where there's multi level of boxes, instead of fan seats are very ugly. One of the reasons I dislike going to Orient is we have to sit opposite that ugly stand of a few seats than floors of interior space. 

I don't disagree. It wasn't a suggestion based on my own preference, just a realistic assessment of how a significant amount of hospitality space could be added without having to rebuild the stand. I think you could do something that looks much nicer that the Orient effort, but it would be a compromise. The far more expensive, but more aesthetic solution would be to remove the top tier, add in a second level of hospitality and then reconstruct a smaller top tier. It wouldn't look that much different to the current arrangement, but would offer significantly more hospitality space.

So like the away end at Villa, but with the larger tier at the bottom and the smaller above.

the one they are about to demolish!

JamesSeed

Lordflashheart said:

Terracing in Jimmy Seed stand 

Oh, it was a long time ago, but for some reason back in the day I thought it was a new stand when my mum opened it, or at least a new roof and seats. I'd only been to The Valley once, in 1966, and it wasn't covered then.

usetobunkin

There is a hole in your floodlight Dear Charlie,dear Charlie a hole!

Swisdom

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

shirty5

Swisdom said:

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

Well they fixed 5 of those bulbs in that North West corner this lunchtime so not as hard as you are making out in the sponsorship lounge along your buddy Charles

msomerton

shirty5 said:

Swisdom said:

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

Well they fixed 5 of those bulbs in that North West corner this lunchtime so not as hard as you are making out in the sponsorship lounge along your buddy Charles

If they had the money they should go for LED lighting, my other club Surrey are having them installed this winter.

MartinCAFC

I also noticed as shown in the photo there were what looked like CCTV-like cameras, have these also been installed for goal-line technology? sure I never noticed these before.

Rothko

Swisdom said:

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

Running the lights on second hand components from EBay is not as impressive as your making out @Swisdom

valleynick66

The question that occurred to be was why leave it to now?

Or are we to believe it’s been in hand for months and months?

Cynically it’s been actioned in recent weeks only because it’s in danger of not meeting league requirements. 

usetobunkin

MartinCAFC said:

I also noticed as shown in the photo there were what looked like CCTV-like cameras, have these also been installed for goal-line technology? sure I never noticed these before.

Think one is for player performance tracking etc, and one for crowd management 

shirty5

valleynick66 said:

The question that occurred to be was why leave it to now?

Or are we to believe it’s been in hand for months and months?

Cynically it’s been actioned in recent weeks only because it’s in danger of not meeting league requirements. 

When the shit hits the fan 

Rothko

usetobunkin said:

MartinCAFC said:

I also noticed as shown in the photo there were what looked like CCTV-like cameras, have these also been installed for goal-line technology? sure I never noticed these before.

Think one is for player performance tracking etc, and one for crowd management 

There are goal line technology camera in the North East corner

eaststandmike

Rothko said:

usetobunkin said:

MartinCAFC said:

I also noticed as shown in the photo there were what looked like CCTV-like cameras, have these also been installed for goal-line technology? sure I never noticed these before.

Think one is for player performance tracking etc, and one for crowd management 

There are goal line technology camera in the North East corner

That has to be the most elaborate CCTV bracket I have ever seen, and not a single clip on the cable 

Athletico Charlton

.Swisdom said:

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

The firm that put them up in the first place would be bloody delighted to help fix/repair/replace them I am sure. Nothing difficult about it.

Swisdom

Athletico Charlton said:

.Swisdom said:

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

The firm that put them up in the first place would be bloody delighted to help fix/repair/replace them I am sure. Nothing difficult about it.

The work isn’t the difficult part - getting the materials is

as for “why wasn’t it done before” because it costs a fuckton of money to do it and none of the owners in the last 10 years were interested in the outlay 

Rothko

Swisdom said:

Athletico Charlton said:

.Swisdom said:

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

The firm that put them up in the first place would be bloody delighted to help fix/repair/replace them I am sure. Nothing difficult about it.

The work isn’t the difficult part - getting the materials is

as for “why wasn’t it done before” because it costs a fuckton of money to do it and none of the owners in the last 10 years were interested in the outlay 

But its sticking plaster stuff, when it needs replacing wholesale. 

Athletico Charlton

Swisdom said:

Athletico Charlton said:

.Swisdom said:

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

The firm that put them up in the first place would be bloody delighted to help fix/repair/replace them I am sure. Nothing difficult about it.

The work isn’t the difficult part - getting the materials is

as for “why wasn’t it done before” because it costs a fuckton of money to do it and none of the owners in the last 10 years were interested in the outlay 

Not what I have been told.

valleynick66

Swisdom said:

Athletico Charlton said:

.Swisdom said:

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

The firm that put them up in the first place would be bloody delighted to help fix/repair/replace them I am sure. Nothing difficult about it.

The work isn’t the difficult part - getting the materials is

as for “why wasn’t it done before” because it costs a fuckton of money to do it and none of the owners in the last 10 years were interested in the outlay 

So not sure his much money we are talking about - can you elaborate?

If the work isn’t ‘hard’ then there should not be excessive cost for that should there? If you are indicating ‘parts’ are expensive then don’t the economics more point to changing the lights completely to current design / technology?

How long have the current owners deferred this was more my question - not the failures of those before. 

Swisdom

Changing the floodlights to the new standard costs several hundred thousand pounds so, understandably, make do and mend” is preferred whilst we are where we are in L1.

but as time moves on the materials cost more and more to acquire or fabricate - and it takes longer.

there is no quick fix and the work is being done at “mates rates” already but suppliers love to extort when it’s a bespoke item 

Swisdom

Athletico Charlton said:

Swisdom said:

Athletico Charlton said:

.Swisdom said:

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

The firm that put them up in the first place would be bloody delighted to help fix/repair/replace them I am sure. Nothing difficult about it.

The work isn’t the difficult part - getting the materials is

as for “why wasn’t it done before” because it costs a fuckton of money to do it and none of the owners in the last 10 years were interested in the outlay 

Not what I have been told.

Not sure who has told you what but I can assure you we have people there at the drop of a hat once instructed (sometimes when not even instructed) but some of these materials are bespoke now.  

For too many years this club neglected this kind of stuff so, like everything else, it’s going to take time and money to remedy

JohnnyH2

Swisdom said:

Athletico Charlton said:

Swisdom said:

Athletico Charlton said:

.Swisdom said:

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

The firm that put them up in the first place would be bloody delighted to help fix/repair/replace them I am sure. Nothing difficult about it.

The work isn’t the difficult part - getting the materials is

as for “why wasn’t it done before” because it costs a fuckton of money to do it and none of the owners in the last 10 years were interested in the outlay 

Not what I have been told.

Not sure who has told you what but I can assure you we have people there at the drop of a hat once instructed (sometimes when not even instructed) but some of these materials are bespoke now.  

For too many years this club neglected this kind of stuff so, like everything else, it’s going to take time and money to remedy

Exactly too much was left by shoddy owners/SMT over the last 10 years, as so many pointed out during that period of time

valleynick66

Swisdom said:

Changing the floodlights to the new standard costs several hundred thousand pounds so, understandably, make do and mend” is preferred whilst we are where we are in L1.

but as time moves on the materials cost more and more to acquire or fabricate - and it takes longer.

there is no quick fix and the work is being done at “mates rates” already but suppliers love to extort when it’s a bespoke item 

So thank you for expanding on your response. 

I’m left to feel that perhaps therefore your original comment may have been an exaggeration (for poetic effect) in the context of the costs of running a football club:


because it costs a fuckton of money to do it 

Athletico Charlton

Swisdom said:

Athletico Charlton said:

Swisdom said:

Athletico Charlton said:

.Swisdom said:

The lights are old so getting them working isn't as simple a a trip to B&Q to pick up a bulb.
The bulbs are extremely hard to get hold of.  The components inside are also hard to get now BUT we had a lot more working lights today and will be doing some more work to the West Stand this coming week.

We are literally going as fast as we can - but we are making progress

The firm that put them up in the first place would be bloody delighted to help fix/repair/replace them I am sure. Nothing difficult about it.

The work isn’t the difficult part - getting the materials is

as for “why wasn’t it done before” because it costs a fuckton of money to do it and none of the owners in the last 10 years were interested in the outlay 

Not what I have been told.

Not sure who has told you what but I can assure you we have people there at the drop of a hat once instructed (sometimes when not even instructed) but some of these materials are bespoke now.  

For too many years this club neglected this kind of stuff so, like everything else, it’s going to take time and money to remedy

An acquaintance of mine who works for a lighting company who supplies floodlighting to a lot of football grounds.

But I think @valleynick66 has probably called it, in that it clearly won't be cheap like changing a bulb at home so it's about definition of what a lot of money is for a L1 club I guess.

Sorry, wasn't trying to call you out, as I appreciate all the stuff you and your family quite obviously do for the club. 👍

MuttleyCAFC

If Surrey are changing to LEDs, maybe we can get their old lights cheap.

Rothko

MuttleyCAFC said:

If Surrey are changing to LEDs, maybe we can get their old lights cheap.

From what’s been said, it sounds like we are sourcing scrap from clubs switching to new systems 

charltonkeston

https://www.screwfix.com/p/sylvania-sylflood-indoor-outdoor-led-flood-light-black-58w-7000lm/996vn?ref=SFAppShare

On special offer at the moment. 

ElfsborgAddick

Swisdom said:

Changing the floodlights to the new standard costs several hundred thousand pounds so, understandably, make do and mend” is preferred whilst we are where we are in L1.

but as time moves on the materials cost more and more to acquire or fabricate - and it takes longer.

there is no quick fix and the work is being done at “mates rates” already but suppliers love to extort when it’s a bespoke item 

Who is telling you this?

msomerton

MuttleyCAFC said:

If Surrey are changing to LEDs, maybe we can get their old lights cheap.

I would expect that the company that has removed them would be recycling them to people who still use that type of lighting already.

JamesSeed

eaststandmike said:

Rothko said:

usetobunkin said:

MartinCAFC said:

I also noticed as shown in the photo there were what looked like CCTV-like cameras, have these also been installed for goal-line technology? sure I never noticed these before.

Think one is for player performance tracking etc, and one for crowd management 

There are goal line technology camera in the North East corner

That has to be the most elaborate CCTV bracket I have ever seen, and not a single clip on the cable 

Pretty poor rigging. Wouldn’t’ve happened in my day!
;-)

Redvalleyeast

Talking of lighting, I sit in the NWQ, the strip light in the stairwell hasnt been working for quite some time and when everyone leaves after the game its really dark down there, think it could only be a matter of time before someone stacks it. Im going to email the club later,got to be a health and safety issue surely?!