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Root bowled playing the sweep - a shot he’s probably the best in the world at playing. Something not right with him atm0
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I'm sure that this is all to do with him trying to ditch the pre-conceived ideas that he can't play in the way that other white ball specialists can. Which is a real shame.blackpool72 said:Root persisting with playing unorthodox shots.
It's a painful watch at the moment0 -
Brook pushing singles. Exactly how Root should have started his innings.0
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Addick Addict said:With scores of 6, 0 & 13 (and looking like he is forcing things) has Bairstow opened the door for Roy assuming the latter is already on the plane?
And he looked in a totally different class to anyone else in the game before that.
I think the question is is it better to have a 3rd opener in the squad as opposed to the better, or more in form, batsman?0 -
From England's WC pov, the wrong player has got the runs today. Worrying that Bairstow, Root and Brook have all struggled.0
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We've really brought this upon ourselves though. Or should I say the ECB have. We are trying to make big WC squad and team selections calls based on players batting for two or three innings (or in the case of Roy, no innings) for a competition that is played at a different temp to 100 or 120 balls. And yet we have a ready made competition in the shape of the 50 over format that all our players are prevented from playing in. We have that advantage that very few other teams have because of the timing of the WC and one that we utilised prior to 2019 which we won because of our preparation. Instead the likes of Root have been playing step and hit cricket after they've had a round of golf. That isn't proper preparation.Cafc43v3r said:Addick Addict said:With scores of 6, 0 & 13 (and looking like he is forcing things) has Bairstow opened the door for Roy assuming the latter is already on the plane?
And he looked in a totally different class to anyone else in the game before that.
I think the question is is it better to have a 3rd opener in the squad as opposed to the better, or more in form, batsman?1 -
Why would they say that to a player that in 19 matches has taken 76 wickets @22?kinveachyaddick said:The ECB should tell Robinson to sling his hook and give Tongue a CC instead.2 -
I might be wrong but I don't think that kinveachyaddick is suggesting that leaving Robinson out has anything to do with what he does when he plays. It's more to do with what he does off the field which, on any number of occasions, has prevented him from playing for both club and country.Todds_right_hook said:
Why would they say that to a player that in 19 matches has taken 76 wickets @22?kinveachyaddick said:The ECB should tell Robinson to sling his hook and give Tongue a CC instead.1 -
from BBC
Dawid Malan has scored his fifth century in his 21st innings. Only two players have reached five ODI centuries in fewer - Quinton de Kock and Inzamam-ul-Haq, who both reached the milestone in 19.
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NZ have lost 2 bowlers, Southern and Lister to injury.
I think I've brought the Charlton injury curse with me0 - Sponsored links:
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Agreed , think that his mindset has been affected by Bazball , didn't he tell the rest of the side during the Ashes that he was going to ramp the first ball of the days play when he was in overnight ........and did it !!kentaddick said:
He’s the best in the world at manoeuvring the ball around the field, which is why he goes so quickly to 50 odd without anyone noticing and arguably even playing well (which is also why his conversion rate isn’t very good either) which shows just how good he is.MrOneLung said:
Needs to play his usual game where he potters around and suddenly has 65 off 55 balls without anyone noticingkentaddick said:
Irony is, under his own captaincy he was one of the quicker scorers, since bazball he’s been trying to play a game that isn’t really his.blackpool72 said:Root is world class when he plays his normal game.
He seems to want to improvise and play unorthodox shots too much for my liking.
He really doesn't need to.0 -
Absolutely outrageous from Klaasen in the other game btw0
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Just had a look and Adam Zampa has figures of 10 overs 0-113.... looks like Klaasen and Miller properly went after him. Only Michael Neser went at under 7.5 an over.0
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Willey out after a few lusty blows ..0
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Can't see NZ chasing this. I don't think timing the ball is that easy out there.0
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Commentator stated that Jason " Aneke" Roy was playing "rugby" on the pitch with his team mates before the start today but wasn't playing in the match.Addick Addict said:
We've really brought this upon ourselves though. Or should I say the ECB have. We are trying to make big WC squad and team selections calls based on players batting for two or three innings (or in the case of Roy, no innings) for a competition that is played at a different temp to 100 or 120 balls. And yet we have a ready made competition in the shape of the 50 over format that all our players are prevented from playing in. We have that advantage that very few other teams have because of the timing of the WC and one that we utilised prior to 2019 which we won because of our preparation. Instead the likes of Root have been playing step and hit cricket after they've had a round of golf. That isn't proper preparation.Cafc43v3r said:Addick Addict said:With scores of 6, 0 & 13 (and looking like he is forcing things) has Bairstow opened the door for Roy assuming the latter is already on the plane?
And he looked in a totally different class to anyone else in the game before that.
I think the question is is it better to have a 3rd opener in the squad as opposed to the better, or more in form, batsman?
Mentioned he was still in the squad to travel to the WC and that maybe he should play in the 1 dayers v Ireland to check his fitness...
But, another commentator explained that he had a very young family and that would mean he'd be away from home for longer than expected ! WTF !!!!!
Unbelievable. A complete & utter farce IMO.1 -
In the last year Roy has played 54 matches:Fanny Fanackapan said:
Commentator stated that Jason " Aneke" Roy was playing "rugby" on the pitch with his team mates before the start today but wasn't playing in the match.Addick Addict said:
We've really brought this upon ourselves though. Or should I say the ECB have. We are trying to make big WC squad and team selections calls based on players batting for two or three innings (or in the case of Roy, no innings) for a competition that is played at a different temp to 100 or 120 balls. And yet we have a ready made competition in the shape of the 50 over format that all our players are prevented from playing in. We have that advantage that very few other teams have because of the timing of the WC and one that we utilised prior to 2019 which we won because of our preparation. Instead the likes of Root have been playing step and hit cricket after they've had a round of golf. That isn't proper preparation.Cafc43v3r said:Addick Addict said:With scores of 6, 0 & 13 (and looking like he is forcing things) has Bairstow opened the door for Roy assuming the latter is already on the plane?
And he looked in a totally different class to anyone else in the game before that.
I think the question is is it better to have a 3rd opener in the squad as opposed to the better, or more in form, batsman?
Mentioned he was still in the squad to travel to the WC and that maybe he should play in the 1 dayers v Ireland to check his fitness...
But, another commentator explained that he had a very young family and that would mean he'd be away from home for longer than expected ! WTF !!!!!
Unbelievable. A complete & utter farce IMO.
9 matches for England
3 matches for Surrey
42 matches for six different franchises in six different countries
He is the definition of a "journeyman" cricketer and his clear order of preference - franchises, England and then Surrey
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But he is a journeyman that on his day could beat the world champ. And has been one himself.Addick Addict said:
In the last year Roy has played 54 matches:Fanny Fanackapan said:
Commentator stated that Jason " Aneke" Roy was playing "rugby" on the pitch with his team mates before the start today but wasn't playing in the match.Addick Addict said:
We've really brought this upon ourselves though. Or should I say the ECB have. We are trying to make big WC squad and team selections calls based on players batting for two or three innings (or in the case of Roy, no innings) for a competition that is played at a different temp to 100 or 120 balls. And yet we have a ready made competition in the shape of the 50 over format that all our players are prevented from playing in. We have that advantage that very few other teams have because of the timing of the WC and one that we utilised prior to 2019 which we won because of our preparation. Instead the likes of Root have been playing step and hit cricket after they've had a round of golf. That isn't proper preparation.Cafc43v3r said:Addick Addict said:With scores of 6, 0 & 13 (and looking like he is forcing things) has Bairstow opened the door for Roy assuming the latter is already on the plane?
And he looked in a totally different class to anyone else in the game before that.
I think the question is is it better to have a 3rd opener in the squad as opposed to the better, or more in form, batsman?
Mentioned he was still in the squad to travel to the WC and that maybe he should play in the 1 dayers v Ireland to check his fitness...
But, another commentator explained that he had a very young family and that would mean he'd be away from home for longer than expected ! WTF !!!!!
Unbelievable. A complete & utter farce IMO.
9 matches for England
3 matches for Surrey
42 matches for six different franchises in six different countries
He is the definition of a "journeyman" cricketer and his clear order of preference - franchises, England and then Surrey
You can't argue with his record for England (in white ball cricket), he is only 33.
I wouldn't pick him but it's not my neck on the line and it takes a brave man to take old yellow behind the shed.
Pre 2015 we would all be praying he was fit because we didn't have the depth we do now.
Did he miss any 50 over cricket while he was playing for franchises? Because if not you can't have your cake and eat it.0 - Sponsored links:
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Been to Lords 30+ times but it was absolute tosser deluxe today. My dad and I got thrown out of the tavern stand for not having a collar on… we went and bought polos from the shop. The people in front of us told us to please be quiet when cheering Malan’s 100… I totally get why northerners hate us!1
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He didn't have a 50 over England contract. He had a white ball contract which he forfeited in July in order to play in the MLC for the Knight Riders (his IPL franchise). It was Roy who wanted his cake and to eat it. One or two months of his incremental contract would have been worth far less to him than the MLC gig let alone the possibility of playing for KKR in all their various forms around the world. He is, as you say, only 33 but almost certainly now won't have a central contract given his attachment to KKR. So his England days are probably numbered in any event given those that will be given the opportunity to open post this WC.Cafc43v3r said:
But he is a journeyman that on his day could beat the world champ. And has been one himself.Addick Addict said:
In the last year Roy has played 54 matches:Fanny Fanackapan said:
Commentator stated that Jason " Aneke" Roy was playing "rugby" on the pitch with his team mates before the start today but wasn't playing in the match.Addick Addict said:
We've really brought this upon ourselves though. Or should I say the ECB have. We are trying to make big WC squad and team selections calls based on players batting for two or three innings (or in the case of Roy, no innings) for a competition that is played at a different temp to 100 or 120 balls. And yet we have a ready made competition in the shape of the 50 over format that all our players are prevented from playing in. We have that advantage that very few other teams have because of the timing of the WC and one that we utilised prior to 2019 which we won because of our preparation. Instead the likes of Root have been playing step and hit cricket after they've had a round of golf. That isn't proper preparation.Cafc43v3r said:Addick Addict said:With scores of 6, 0 & 13 (and looking like he is forcing things) has Bairstow opened the door for Roy assuming the latter is already on the plane?
And he looked in a totally different class to anyone else in the game before that.
I think the question is is it better to have a 3rd opener in the squad as opposed to the better, or more in form, batsman?
Mentioned he was still in the squad to travel to the WC and that maybe he should play in the 1 dayers v Ireland to check his fitness...
But, another commentator explained that he had a very young family and that would mean he'd be away from home for longer than expected ! WTF !!!!!
Unbelievable. A complete & utter farce IMO.
9 matches for England
3 matches for Surrey
42 matches for six different franchises in six different countries
He is the definition of a "journeyman" cricketer and his clear order of preference - franchises, England and then Surrey
You can't argue with his record for England (in white ball cricket), he is only 33.
I wouldn't pick him but it's not my neck on the line and it takes a brave man to take old yellow behind the shed.
Pre 2015 we would all be praying he was fit because we didn't have the depth we do now.
Did he miss any 50 over cricket while he was playing for franchises? Because if not you can't have your cake and eat it.
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What 50 over games did he miss for England or Surrey by playing franchise cricket?Addick Addict said:
He didn't have a 50 over England contract. He had a white ball contract which he forfeited in July in order to play in the MLC for the Knight Riders (his IPL franchise). It was Roy who wanted his cake and to eat it. One or two months of his incremental contract would have been worth far less to him than the MLC gig let alone the possibility of playing for KKR in all their various forms around the world. He is, as you say, only 33 but almost certainly now won't have a central contract given his attachment to KKR. So his England days are probably numbered in any event given those that will be given the opportunity to open post this WC.Cafc43v3r said:
But he is a journeyman that on his day could beat the world champ. And has been one himself.Addick Addict said:
In the last year Roy has played 54 matches:Fanny Fanackapan said:
Commentator stated that Jason " Aneke" Roy was playing "rugby" on the pitch with his team mates before the start today but wasn't playing in the match.Addick Addict said:
We've really brought this upon ourselves though. Or should I say the ECB have. We are trying to make big WC squad and team selections calls based on players batting for two or three innings (or in the case of Roy, no innings) for a competition that is played at a different temp to 100 or 120 balls. And yet we have a ready made competition in the shape of the 50 over format that all our players are prevented from playing in. We have that advantage that very few other teams have because of the timing of the WC and one that we utilised prior to 2019 which we won because of our preparation. Instead the likes of Root have been playing step and hit cricket after they've had a round of golf. That isn't proper preparation.Cafc43v3r said:Addick Addict said:With scores of 6, 0 & 13 (and looking like he is forcing things) has Bairstow opened the door for Roy assuming the latter is already on the plane?
And he looked in a totally different class to anyone else in the game before that.
I think the question is is it better to have a 3rd opener in the squad as opposed to the better, or more in form, batsman?
Mentioned he was still in the squad to travel to the WC and that maybe he should play in the 1 dayers v Ireland to check his fitness...
But, another commentator explained that he had a very young family and that would mean he'd be away from home for longer than expected ! WTF !!!!!
Unbelievable. A complete & utter farce IMO.
9 matches for England
3 matches for Surrey
42 matches for six different franchises in six different countries
He is the definition of a "journeyman" cricketer and his clear order of preference - franchises, England and then Surrey
You can't argue with his record for England (in white ball cricket), he is only 33.
I wouldn't pick him but it's not my neck on the line and it takes a brave man to take old yellow behind the shed.
Pre 2015 we would all be praying he was fit because we didn't have the depth we do now.
Did he miss any 50 over cricket while he was playing for franchises? Because if not you can't have your cake and eat it.0 -
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Isn't the Tavern Stand a Member's stand, hence the dress code?Pelling1993 said:Been to Lords 30+ times but it was absolute tosser deluxe today. My dad and I got thrown out of the tavern stand for not having a collar on… we went and bought polos from the shop. The people in front of us told us to please be quiet when cheering Malan’s 100… I totally get why northerners hate us!
Weird not to want people cheering Malan's 100, unless they're bitter Middlesex fans still upset by Malan moving to Yorkshire!0 -
A disappointing series against NZ, with 8 one sided matches, as for several years, England NZ matches have been crackers.
Indeed NZ seem to be going backwards, with the injuries they've picked up.0 -
Turns out yes, I’ve never sat up there and got given the tickets so I suppose that’s my fault but it’s an absolute nonsense, would’ve been helpful to have that info on the ticket though! It’s salmon trouser brigade and everything that’s wrong with cricket up there.killerandflash said:
Isn't the Tavern Stand a Member's stand, hence the dress code?Pelling1993 said:Been to Lords 30+ times but it was absolute tosser deluxe today. My dad and I got thrown out of the tavern stand for not having a collar on… we went and bought polos from the shop. The people in front of us told us to please be quiet when cheering Malan’s 100… I totally get why northerners hate us!
Weird not to want people cheering Malan's 100, unless they're bitter Middlesex fans still upset by Malan moving to Yorkshire!1 -
He only played 3 out of 15 Vitality Blast matches for Surrey. He didn't play any 50 over games for them because he was playing for the Oval Invincibles (which is a franchise). We should also remember that, as he was (until he relinquished it) on an incremental contract with England plus a Surrey contract too and that is different from someone who is on a full central contract as those that are so contracted are only notionally attached to a county.Cafc43v3r said:
What 50 over games did he miss for England or Surrey by playing franchise cricket?Addick Addict said:
He didn't have a 50 over England contract. He had a white ball contract which he forfeited in July in order to play in the MLC for the Knight Riders (his IPL franchise). It was Roy who wanted his cake and to eat it. One or two months of his incremental contract would have been worth far less to him than the MLC gig let alone the possibility of playing for KKR in all their various forms around the world. He is, as you say, only 33 but almost certainly now won't have a central contract given his attachment to KKR. So his England days are probably numbered in any event given those that will be given the opportunity to open post this WC.Cafc43v3r said:
But he is a journeyman that on his day could beat the world champ. And has been one himself.Addick Addict said:
In the last year Roy has played 54 matches:Fanny Fanackapan said:
Commentator stated that Jason " Aneke" Roy was playing "rugby" on the pitch with his team mates before the start today but wasn't playing in the match.Addick Addict said:
We've really brought this upon ourselves though. Or should I say the ECB have. We are trying to make big WC squad and team selections calls based on players batting for two or three innings (or in the case of Roy, no innings) for a competition that is played at a different temp to 100 or 120 balls. And yet we have a ready made competition in the shape of the 50 over format that all our players are prevented from playing in. We have that advantage that very few other teams have because of the timing of the WC and one that we utilised prior to 2019 which we won because of our preparation. Instead the likes of Root have been playing step and hit cricket after they've had a round of golf. That isn't proper preparation.Cafc43v3r said:Addick Addict said:With scores of 6, 0 & 13 (and looking like he is forcing things) has Bairstow opened the door for Roy assuming the latter is already on the plane?
And he looked in a totally different class to anyone else in the game before that.
I think the question is is it better to have a 3rd opener in the squad as opposed to the better, or more in form, batsman?
Mentioned he was still in the squad to travel to the WC and that maybe he should play in the 1 dayers v Ireland to check his fitness...
But, another commentator explained that he had a very young family and that would mean he'd be away from home for longer than expected ! WTF !!!!!
Unbelievable. A complete & utter farce IMO.
9 matches for England
3 matches for Surrey
42 matches for six different franchises in six different countries
He is the definition of a "journeyman" cricketer and his clear order of preference - franchises, England and then Surrey
You can't argue with his record for England (in white ball cricket), he is only 33.
I wouldn't pick him but it's not my neck on the line and it takes a brave man to take old yellow behind the shed.
Pre 2015 we would all be praying he was fit because we didn't have the depth we do now.
Did he miss any 50 over cricket while he was playing for franchises? Because if not you can't have your cake and eat it.
Roy's three games last November for England were in Australia and three days later he was playing in the Abu Dhabi T10, his three in March were in Bangladesh in the middle of his stint playing in the Pakistan Super League and his other three games were against South Africa when the SA20 was stopped for those matches
This is the actual breakdown of his games in the last 12 months:
England - 9 games (17th-22nd Nov, 27th Jan-1st Feb & 1st-6th March)
Deccan Gladiators (Dubai) - 4 games (25th Nov-29th Nov)
Paarl Royals (South Africa) - 11 games (10th-24th Jan & 3rd-8th Feb)
Quetta Gladiators (Pakistan) - 7 games (15th Feb-24th Feb & 8th-11th Mar)
Kolkata Knight Riders India - 8 games (20th Apr-20th May)
Surrey CCC (England) - 3 games (2nd-15th July)
Los Angeles Knight Riders (USA) - 3 games (18th-23rd July)
Oval Invincibles (England) - 9 games (2nd-28th August)
That's:
Franchises - 42 games over a total period of 105 days
England - 9 games over a total period of 17 days
Surrey - 3 games over a total period of 14 days
Those statistics plus the fact that he asked to be released from his England contract to play franchise cricket is why I believe that his commitment is to franchise, England and then Surrey in that order. England were not prepared to release him to play in the MCL unless he did just that. He made his choice to do so.
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Can't believe anyone with even a minimal interest in the sport could argue with that summary, AA.
Surely that's a description of a cricketing mercenary.
He probably isn't alone in this, but that's not cricket as we know and love it.
Whatever happened to loyalty ? Only loyal to his wallet.
Oh, and what about being away for so long from his young family .....2
