England Cricket 2023

Billy_Mix

I've never been convinced by this bazball bollocks
It's just another "we've got one plan/one idea and we're sticking to it regardless of conditions, personnel, match situation" or in summary a lazy cop out in lieu of professionalism or application
E.g. denying the draw as a valid test match result is just childish nonsense
The relentless spiel about "entertainment" is just as much hollow bullshit too - this England 'performance' is only entertaining if you're a pom hating aussie who doesn't actually know or care much about cricket.  Australia are a man down and they're still being handed the series on a plate.
Cruising along on a dead pitch on a perfect batting day then throwing away 3 wickets in preposterous fashion isn't sticking to a plan it's refusing to do your job properly it's only half a step away from throwing the match - or cheating as it's also known
While I'm on a roll - a one legged non-bowling Stokes ain't even nearly worth a place in the squad, his batting form has deserted him and there's never room for passengers against the world test champions

kinveachyaddick

Proper test cricket from the Aussies - good to see

johnnybev1987

Right onto the Aussie bashing, to lift the mood.... I have to say there isn't many if any of their side who i actually like, bring back Warne, he was a loveable wanker

Addick Addict

The other thing that we probably didn't factor in is the added pace that the Aussies attack offer. Pulling or hooking a ball at 90mph is totally different to doing so at 80mph. The difference doesn't sound much but it is massive especially when you are not used to doing so out in the middle with the potentially variable bounce. 

Pelling1993

Need to be a maximum of about 50 in arrears here. 

soapboxsam

kentaddick said:

let them bowl the short stuff, they haven't got a spinner, let them knacker themselves out.

100% agree.
The Aussies were bereft of ideas on a good wicket when we were only 1 wicket down and then later after 'Gary' was injured that's when we had to use some nous. You soon run out of energy if the batsmen duck for half a dozen overs especially with your top spinner down.

North Lower Neil

johnnybev1987 said:

Right onto the Aussie bashing, to lift the mood.... I have to say there isn't many if any of their side who i actually like, bring back Warne, he was a loveable wanker

I think they're actually alright this time around, they seem less cocky and annoying.

The bowlers especially seem pretty decent and likeable, Cummins comes across very well.

North Lower Neil

Frustrating thing is there's been a lot of progress under Stokes and McCullum, obviously.

This time a year ago we were playing India with Burns, Hameed, Overton etc, we looked scared of everything.

"Bazball" has been good in the main.  But now we've got that confidence back etc, be positive but sensible.  Get yourself in then go.  Play the situation.

We've had all the luck in these two Tests - winning the tosses, bowling and batting in the best conditions bar about half an hour after rain at Edgbaston, Lyon getting injured.  And we're throwing that away.

soapboxsam

Chizz said:

johnnybev1987 said:

Also take what i put with a pinch of salt as i am not as into cricket as most of you, so no doubt you know what you are talking about just comes across a bit negative. 

Keep posting please. Positivity is a good thing. 

It is ironic that it's England's Positivity -"go harder" that has helped Australia in their pursuit of the Ashes.

Pelling1993

North Lower Neil said:

Frustrating thing is there's been a lot of progress under Stokes and McCullum, obviously.

This time a year ago we were playing India with Burns, Hameed, Overton etc, we looked scared of everything.

"Bazball" has been good in the main.  But now we've got that confidence back etc, be positive but sensible.  Get yourself in then go.  Play the situation.

We've had all the luck in these two Tests - winning the tosses, bowling and batting in the best conditions bar about half an hour after rain at Edgbaston, Lyon getting injured.  And we're throwing that away.

Losing Moeen Ali wasn't very lucky

killerandflash

Oh dear

MarcusH26

Wow that's utterly brainless from Bairstow 

arny23394

johnnybev1987 said:

Right onto the Aussie bashing, to lift the mood.... I have to say there isn't many if any of their side who i actually like, bring back Warne, he was a loveable wanker

I have some very sad news for you…

Cafc43v3r

England players never got out playing silly shots before Bazball? 

kinveachyaddick

soapboxsam said:

kentaddick said:

let them bowl the short stuff, they haven't got a spinner, let them knacker themselves out.

100% agree.
The Aussies were bereft of ideas on a good wicket when we were only 1 wicket down and then later after 'Gary' was injured that's when we had to use some nous. You soon run out of energy if the batsmen duck for half a dozen overs especially with your top spinner down.

LOL! You don't need a spinner if your quicks run through the oppo!

Addick Addict

Have a look at these scorecards. Anyone recognise the similarities?

7
19
14
46
46
43
20
19
27
12
10

And

48
98
42
10
50
17
16

They are, of course, our players' scores from our 2nd innings in the First Test and those of our current innings. So many players getting in but failing to convert. Content with being in for a good time and not worried about the consequences of getting out.  

arny23394

And another one down. We’ve only lost one wicket to a decent delivery so far. It’s criminal really.

Pelling1993

Not sure i've seen England lose 7 wickets and not 1 of them is to a good ball

swordfish

We should declare before lunch.

Sillybilly

Addick Addict

Cafc43v3r said:

England players never got out playing silly shots before Bazball? 

Not one after another doing so on a wicket that was offering so little to the bowlers. How many times has Root ever in his career played like that when not in? It was suicidal stuff. 

kentaddick

that's the kind of rubbish bairstow played before he got dropped. Awful.

Addick Addict

I think we are now seeing why Starc was picked ahead of Boland. The extra pace and different challenge of a left armer when conditions haven't been ideal for a swing bowler. 

golfaddick

Need to get to 350 bare minimum. 

380 is acceptable. 

400 would be lovely. 

soapboxsam

Cafc43v3r said:

England players never got out playing silly shots before Bazball? 

They certainly did at times but think of it as Jeopardy. 
No problems with taking on the Aussies but it became slogging when the short pitched stuff arrived other than Kent's own running down the wicket emulating Joe in the first test.

golfaddick

When was the last time we did a Golfie in the Ashes ?  ie, lose the first Test and then go on to win the Ashes. 

Cafc43v3r

Addick Addict said:

Cafc43v3r said:

England players never got out playing silly shots before Bazball? 

Not one after another doing so on a wicket that was offering so little to the bowlers. How many times has Root ever in his career played like that when not in? It was suicidal stuff. 

When he tried to scoop Pat Cummings off the first ball of the day in the last test?  

How many of the Australians got out from good bowling?  Remember they lost 7 for 70 odd yesterday.

Bazball isn't the reason for poor execution which is the reason for at least 3 of our wickets.

North Lower Neil

Pelling1993 said:

North Lower Neil said:

Frustrating thing is there's been a lot of progress under Stokes and McCullum, obviously.

This time a year ago we were playing India with Burns, Hameed, Overton etc, we looked scared of everything.

"Bazball" has been good in the main.  But now we've got that confidence back etc, be positive but sensible.  Get yourself in then go.  Play the situation.

We've had all the luck in these two Tests - winning the tosses, bowling and batting in the best conditions bar about half an hour after rain at Edgbaston, Lyon getting injured.  And we're throwing that away.

Losing Moeen Ali wasn't very lucky

I'm not sure it was that bad to be honest, Leach was more of a miss.

Since the series started, we've had the rub of the green and have blown it once, now we're looking likely to have done so again.

North Lower Neil

golfaddick said:

When was the last time we did a Golfie in the Ashes ?  ie, lose the first Test and then go on to win the Ashes. 

2005.

kinveachyaddick

golfaddick said:

When was the last time we did a Golfie in the Ashes ?  ie, lose the first Test and then go on to win the Ashes. 

2005 I assume