Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
So the lessen is that we need to keep sacking managers! Give them 10 games, then get rid of them once the new manager bounce has stopped
Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
So the lessen is that we need to keep sacking managers! Give them 10 games, then get rid of them once the new manager bounce has stopped
Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
I think only Sandgaard was saying that tbh.
That’s just not true mate, everybody was impressed at a similar .4-5 games in. Read the bottom half of this page which covered this period, or the Plymouth post match thread
Leaburn hasn’t scored any in this 3 game winning streak . Hes been a nuisance but his shooting boots aren’t working currently
This is true and he isn't the finished article but the system with him and the two wide players does pose a threat and this is something we haven't done enough of recently. Having said that, what will be interesting in the context of this season is when we play a crap team that parks the bus. To be fair to Lincoln, they didn't so we haven't come up against one of those yet under Holden. Sort that out and it will look extremely positive.
Think Leaburn has looked tired over the past few games and not his usual energetic self. Could do with a game off. It's crazy we don't hit more crosses to him considering his size. He's only two inches shorter than Peter Crouch.
For what it's worth, every manager fell apart when it came to not getting the transfers they needed to properly build their own squad or freshen it up.
I still believe Adkins, Jackson or Garner could have done very well with a decent owner, instead of one that has interfered and force players and tactics on them.
They're the manager, let them do their job.
Now it's Holden's turn, we're in a transfer window and have signed two players that immediately strengthened what we had and then one immediately got injured which is SO Charlton it's unreal.
We need to see out the transfer window and judge both the new owners (if done in time) and the new manager thereafter. It's not unfair though to say he's getting a response out of many of these players, even if it's only after 5 games.
Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
I think only Sandgaard was saying that tbh.
That’s just not true mate, everybody was impressed at a similar .4-5 games in. Read the bottom half of this page which covered this period, or the Plymouth post match thread
Yes, I'm sure a lot of Charlton fans would love to hear from him. He has done brilliantly since Oxford and won the fans over incredibly quickly. We are now excitedly looking where this man is going to take us.
In a WhatsApp group with the author. He was very, very impressed with Holden. Clearly a much-loved figure around the game and I'm so glad he's here at Charlton.
It’s very strange how things pan out. When Dean Holden was appointed I think it’s fair to say most of us thought “who” and most of us were underwhelmed. Only a few short weeks down the line DH has appeared to have had a positive impact on the performances and what’s even more impressive is that I think he’s won over most of the hardest of cynics. Seems like a genuinely decent and caring man who has a lot of surprises in his locker. UEFA Pro licence, Qualified referee and deep thinker both inside and outside of football and still a committed football fan himself. God only knows where the club is heading but for me at least I feel very confident that the playing side of things are with someone who is very much in the proper Charlton mould.
Came on here to share that article but no need. This guy seems to impress me more every single day and I really really want him to succeed, if only for himself and his family. If I lost a child I’d struggle to even wake up each day, he is inspiring
I hope Holden works out for us. He seems to exude class. Interestingly as a northerner he gets our club culture.Many on here felt that Adkins and Robinson didn't.
In terms of Garner Iirc didn't he also have a personal tragedy of losing a child in his time at Bristol Rovers?For both men this must be an incredibly difficult situation to come back from.
Garner was clearly missold the job by Thomas and wasn't given a fair crack of the whip despite being headhunted by hard shot Martin.
My feeling is always that a manager needs a clear two years to build their own squad before you can fairly assess them. I hope Dean is given next season to stamp his authority on the team and then the season after before any consideration about his future is made.We need stability.
I used to be proud that for around 25 years we had two managers. Lawrence and Curbishley ( with Gritt for some of the time). It is not coincidental that this coincided with success on the pitch including 12 years of top flight football.
The legend that is Steve Gritt also had to deal with the utterly devastating tragedy of losing Hayley. I think there is a lot of correlation between Gritty and Holden. Younger fans may not realise how significant Steve Gritt has been to a slightly older generation of us. I get a Gritty vibe from Holden.
I hope Holden works out for us. He seems to exude class. Interestingly as a northerner he gets our club culture.Many on here felt that Adkins and Robinson didn't.
In terms of Garner Iirc didn't he also have a personal tragedy of losing a child in his time at Bristol Rovers?For both men this must be an incredibly difficult situation to come back from.
Garner was clearly missold the job by Thomas and wasn't given a fair crack of the whip despite being headhunted by hard shot Martin.
My feeling is always that a manager needs a clear two years to build their own squad before you can fairly assess them. I hope Dean is given next season to stamp his authority on the team and then the season after before any consideration about his future is made.We need stability.
I used to be proud that for around 25 years we had two managers. Lawrence and Curbishley ( with Gritt for some of the time). It is not coincidental that this coincided with success on the pitch including 12 years of top flight football.
What does this really mean? Is "our club culture" so different to any other clubs?
No one gives any manager stick for not "getting it" when they are winning. Robinson, Bowyer, Jackson, Adkins and Garner got praise for being refreshing and like a breath of fresh air, mainly because they were all so different from each other.
Ganer, especially, went from "at least the football is better" to "stop fancying around with it". Why? Because we didn't win enough games. Robinson went from being "honest" to "making excuses", for the same reason.
Football fans, and by extension clubs, are all the same. Win enough games and your a hero, don't and even if your a club legend the fans will turn on you. It has always been thus, at every club.
I think our culture has a couple of unique features. Founded by poor 15 year old boys from the dirty mean industrial streets of the area, and the history and experience of fan activism.
I think our culture has a couple of unique features. Founded by poor 15 year old boys from the dirty mean industrial streets of the area, and the history and experience of fan activism.
Yes this is true, all other clubs have their own story as well, but it doesn't effect the managers day to day job either. Adkins, Garner and Robinson also spoke about research and knowing the history. It matters not a jot if you don't win enough games, which none of them did.
I think a big thing with Holden is that he's a genuine football fan and hasn't let his time in the game dilute that love - that'll be a factor in why he just seems to 'get it'.
I think a big thing with Holden is that he's a genuine football fan and hasn't let his time in the game dilute that love - that'll be a factor in why he just seems to 'get it'.
Just a note of caution in this. Saturday was Holden’s 5 game as manager.
Nigel Adkins 5th game was the 6-0 hiding we gave Plymouth away. We were unbeaten in those 5 games and 3rd win in 4 games. Adkins was said to be the experienced manager we needed
Same with Jonnie Jackson. 5th game was the brilliant 2-0 win against Plymouth. We’d won 4 and drawn 1 of those 5 games. Jacko was said to be the legend that gets us that we needed.
Ben Garner’s 5th game was the 5-1 demolition of, yes you’ve guessed it, Plymouth. Again a decent run of 2 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat and the QPR pens win. Garnerball was said to be the progressive coach making a name for himself that we needed
Good starts from new managers has been a common theme in recent years which Holden is also experiencing. This proved in all cases outperforming, and we soon dipped back off again. Can Holden buck the trend?
Thought of this comment today at full time. Like you say @AFKABartram I’m hopeful that Holden can buck the trend and we can get some more winning runs going but hearing him talk about trimming the squad with more importance than adding to it is making me think we’ll continue to find things tough.
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I still believe Adkins, Jackson or Garner could have done very well with a decent owner, instead of one that has interfered and force players and tactics on them.
They're the manager, let them do their job.
Now it's Holden's turn, we're in a transfer window and have signed two players that immediately strengthened what we had and then one immediately got injured which is SO Charlton it's unreal.
We need to see out the transfer window and judge both the new owners (if done in time) and the new manager thereafter. It's not unfair though to say he's getting a response out of many of these players, even if it's only after 5 games.
Will it go to offsetting losses, or straight in someones back pocket?
Could be used in the transfer window / and or for announcing Dobbo's new contract.
Whether it's just a new manager bounce, a charge to the play offs or only steading a relegation threatened ship he's our manager
In a WhatsApp group with the author. He was very, very impressed with Holden. Clearly a much-loved figure around the game and I'm so glad he's here at Charlton.
The results have helped, and he is an estimable man.
I hope it works out.
In terms of Garner Iirc didn't he also have a personal tragedy of losing a child in his time at Bristol Rovers?For both men this must be an incredibly difficult situation to come back from.
Garner was clearly missold the job by Thomas and wasn't given a fair crack of the whip despite being headhunted by hard shot Martin.
My feeling is always that a manager needs a clear two years to build their own squad before you can fairly assess them. I hope Dean is given next season to stamp his authority on the team and then the season after before any consideration about his future is made.We need stability.
I used to be proud that for around 25 years we had two managers. Lawrence and Curbishley ( with Gritt for some of the time). It is not coincidental that this coincided with success on the pitch including 12 years of top flight football.
I think there is a lot of correlation between Gritty and Holden.
Younger fans may not realise how significant Steve Gritt has been to a slightly older generation of us.
I get a Gritty vibe from Holden.
No one gives any manager stick for not "getting it" when they are winning. Robinson, Bowyer, Jackson, Adkins and Garner got praise for being refreshing and like a breath of fresh air, mainly because they were all so different from each other.
Ganer, especially, went from "at least the football is better" to "stop fancying around with it". Why? Because we didn't win enough games. Robinson went from being "honest" to "making excuses", for the same reason.
Football fans, and by extension clubs, are all the same. Win enough games and your a hero, don't and even if your a club legend the fans will turn on you. It has always been thus, at every club.
Founded by poor 15 year old boys from the dirty mean industrial streets of the area, and the history and experience of fan activism.