We lost...against a team bottom of the sodding league, but who sussed us out, and parked the bus,5-4-1...yes ref cocked it up big time, but up till then we still didn't have a plan on how to get round the white wall in front of us..we basically cocked it up before kick off by putting Clare at LB, every attack down the left ended with a back pass, so we lost with ONE shot on target, if you could call that a shot. So, on to Saturday against a better footballing side in Ipswich, and a better game overall to watch, still think we will win, put this one in the basement and make sure it is a one off...
I mentioned Chin as an option at left back earlier but isn’t he a right footer too? Have we got any left footed left backs at the club?
Do you think that bothers the coaching staff or is it just me?
It was odd at one point yesterday, it dawned on me that, we had:
- A right footer at LB (Clare) - A Left footer at RM to replace the Left footer playing RM (Payne and JRS) - A right footer then moved to LM (Kirk) - Our right footed LB came on to kinda play LM (Sess) - 2 right footed CBs one who can pass and the other not so well, which is not adding balance.
The idea that the reason for Stockley's poor form is that we're not playing to his strengths is a myth. Every time a cross has been put on his head this season he has fluffed it or headed straight at the keeper. Last night Kirk put in a perfect ball for Stockley to slide in at the back post and he just strolled in and made no attempt to tap the ball in.
His lack of ability to win a header, inability to do anything with the ball at his feet, inability to run, and generally awful positioning is the reason he has been so poor, not the system (which by the way has been changed to the system that allegedly suits him and was going to make him the excellent League One striker that he's never actually been).
Calling him the Posh Paul Benson would be overly polite.
Why anyone would clap Innis off is beyond me. Get rid of him ffs, gave the ball away twice under no pressure whatsoever and then rightly gets sent off.
Harsh foul, harsh yellow, harsh pen, that's why he was clapped.
Watching with rose tinted spectacles! A push in the back and a definite foul. Although it may have been factionally outside the box and a harsh penalty it was a silly clear foul. The question is why wasn't it a straight red for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity. They created much more than we did over the game even up until that point. We had one shot on target and didn't even get a corner until late on. Garner then surrendered at 2 0 down which is not the way I ever played. This is going to be an up and down season.
Stockley is a big useless lump and we should sack him asap
He's not playing well. However I feel a bit sorry for him. How many chances have we created for him this season? Probably count on one hand. I don't think Haarland would have scored many for us.
Positives: - only one place lower in the table vs pre-match - no goals conceded from open play for three matches now - a lot of teams struggle against sit-deep-and-counter opposition, regardless of the division and quality
Stockley is a big useless lump and we should sack him asap
He's not playing well. However I feel a bit sorry for him. How many chances have we created for him this season? Probably count on one hand. I don't think Haarland would have scored many for us.
Thing is Stockley is sooo slow, he couldn't catch a cold, and as for this lack of chances bit, unless you place a cross within 1 yard of him, it ain't going anywhere...he just isn't a convincing footballer in the strictest sense of the word, his feet just won't carry him around with any realistic chance of getting anywhere fast, so feeling sorry for him 🤷♂️
Do we need to show everyone the 'highlight reel' of Stockley's misses this season so that everyone stops parroting this line that he's not been given chances?
Kirk should be on about 10 assists from the opening 5 games this season alone because of the chances he's put on a plate for Stockley to fluff at the keeper or over the bar.
Stockley is a big useless lump and we should sack him asap
He's not playing well. However I feel a bit sorry for him. How many chances have we created for him this season? Probably count on one hand. I don't think Haarland would have scored many for us.
But isn't it strange how many chances Leaburn and Aneke find themselves having whenever they're on the pitch? They know how to move across the line and find space.
Wollacott: got a hand on both strikes - had nothing else to do Egbo: decent Inniss: catastrophe in waiting in second half but defended by Garner!! O'Connell: adequate against aerial balls, glacially slow on the deck Clare: not a left back, not really a full back, not left sided - hung out to dry by Garner - lack of confidence as desperate as his lack of suitability for that role Rak-Sakyi: worried the dons first half, cancelled out by Garner 2nd half, gave up after 60 minutes Dobson: doing the work of 3 as usual, the odd misplaced pass entirely forgivable Fraser: worked as hard as he's ever done for us - for 65 minutes, then gave up Campbell: acquitted himself well in a misfiring malformed lineup, his injury saved him from the ignominy of the second half Stockley: no service and little support but combative throughout Kirk: allergic to space and running as always, given his old job back 2nd half, he hates that job so didn't do it, shirker Payne: inept Aneke: one barely believable run where the ball stuck to him, followed by a hopelessly overhit pass then he bailed out and offered nothing Sessegnon: dramatically improved our left side but Garner had norsed the whole thing up by then Referee: weak and inconsistent - standard at this level
Some are some aren't but I think you have more right to complain in the Championship and Premier League as these are the supposedly the cream.
They should do a decent job wherever they are, if they’re getting paid. On the other hand, you’ve gotta hope that mistakes even out over the season. VAR would have been our friend last night I think.
Well that was a disastrous evening. I forgot my lucky
Charlton scarf and ended up in seats so high in the east stand there were
cobwebs hanging from the rafters. The bloke sitting next to me, looked like he
may have died of boredom at the end last season and no one had noticed. Far more in attendance than the Pompey fixture
but everyone seemed curiously comatose, including most of our first eleven.
And as for that discordant dirge played on the PA system
before the game -“Addicks to Victory.” It
sounded like the vocalist was giving birth to a breeze block. Or perhaps he was
just feeling the aural agony of those painful guitar solos. Please can someone influential
at the club ensure that dreadful bloody racket is never played within a ten mile radius
of the Valley again on health and safety grounds.
Not much to add on the football front except it was a well-deserved
victory for MK Dons. They looked like a Ben
Garner-coached team but with half-decent players.
And we could play Kirk and Stockley as our front two for all
the remaining games of the season and neither of them would land a shot on
target, never mind score.
Sadly, I had bought my Ipswich tickets before the
game. It’s the hope that kills you. Again and again.
is browny a mk fan, couldnt stop talking about them
I think the thing is with Browny, he over analysis things to the enth degree with the result that it becomes boring, someone trying to follow the game could get so pissed off they mute the commentary, as for supporting MkDons, he is the same with any opposition nothing exclusive to MKD, Leave him in the studio where he is ok with the pre match and half time diagnosis stuff, but lock the comms door before the game starts...
The most frustrating thing for me was that Garner didn’t swop Clare for Sessegnon at HT.
Everyone in the stadium could see that Clare was hugely out of place at left back and killing every attack down the left.
Au contraire Mon ami, according to a fellow poster a few posts ago, Clare won MOM in the lounge. I can only assume that said loungees had availed themselves freely of the hospitality before the game. An astonishing decision.
I know we all see games differently, but how anyone could give Clare man of the match is just beyond astonishing. Mind you, even Garner kept him on the pitch for the whole game - staggering! Was I watching a game in an alternate reality?
Garner very level headed in his analysis, couple of digs at the ref though.
Sticking to his story like a tory politician Total refusal to accept he hamstrung the team from the start, has barely a plan A and nothing like a plan B, then fucked it up royally 2nd half:
Sean Clare is not really a full back, he's definitely not left sided - so Garner hangs him out to dry at left back Sean Clare is allowed all the possession he wants by Dons cos they can see he's impotent at left back - Garner has a proper full back on the field in Egbo and Clare has acquitted himself at right back previously but Garner's plan is the best innit? It's obvious Garner's plan ain't troubling the Dons but he sticks with it. Charlie Kirk has offered naff all ever, on the left but shows far better more centrally - so 2nd half he's posted out left Jack Payne has managed one cross in all his time in red and is as hopelessly one footed as many of his colleagues, he's never been a winger so Garner snuffs out the tiny chance this midget makeweight could provide anything positive by shoving him out on the right, never once playing the wider players on their natural sides - against a team that's parked the bus Jes Rak-Sakyi was worrying the dons on the right in the first half - so Garner moves him central to accommodate the inept Payne on the right
Inniss concedes a typically needless booking early 2nd half and goes to pieces, giving the ball away with every touch. But with a CH on the bench, or even Clare as an alternative at the back, Garner leaves Inniss on for the inevitable second booking. The penalty might have been debatable but Inniss's departure was beyond doubt.
Still no JFC in the matchday squad - McGrandles is a Sunday pub team reserve player at best, the ball bounced off him repeatedly yesterday he never got near a white shirt but "JFC's non-selection is on merit" lying bastard.
Garner "the penalty changes the game" That has to be a flat out lie, if Garner believes any bit of that at all he's a moron. He set us up to fail against the worst team in the division. Dons parked the bus. Beating them wouldn't necessarily be easy but losing to them is a disgrace. Lying about how that was achieved is reprehensible.
The jury's in on Garner - he's an overpromoted delusional clown.
Send out a team with that many square pegs in round holes against Ipswich and they'll rack up a record score - that will be painful but it will at least prod Skintgaard into action. We're up the shittiest of shitty creeks, in a leaky tub with no paddles, no rudder and a deluded ninny standing up in the middle telling us it's not him rocking the boat.
Stockley is a big useless lump and we should sack him asap
He's not playing well. However I feel a bit sorry for him. How many chances have we created for him this season? Probably count on one hand. I don't think Haarland would have scored many for us.
But isn't it strange how many chances Leaburn and Aneke find themselves having whenever they're on the pitch? They know how to move across the line and find space.
Fully agree. However they are different sort of players and do fit Garner's ideal style of play better. Leaburn is currently injured and Aneke can't play for a full game. So we are left with Stockley. Therefore we should play to his strengths. I played football for 40 years and played with all sorts of forwards. Big ones, short ones, fast ones, slow ones. The simple answer is you pass them the ball that suits them. It wasn't about them having to deal with the type of ball I wanted to play.
Well that was a disastrous evening. I forgot my lucky
Charlton scarf and ended up in seats so high in the east stand there were
cobwebs hanging from the rafters. The bloke sitting next to me, looked like he
may have died of boredom at the end last season and no one had noticed. Far more in attendance than the Pompey fixture
but everyone seemed curiously comatose, including most of our first eleven.
And as for that discordant dirge played on the PA system
before the game -“Addicks to Victory.” It
sounded like the vocalist was giving birth to a breeze block. Or perhaps he was
just feeling the aural agony of those painful guitar solos. Please can someone influential
at the club ensure that dreadful bloody racket is never played within a ten mile radius
of the Valley again on health and safety grounds.
Not much to add on the football front except it was a well-deserved
victory for MK Dons. They looked like a Ben
Garner-coached team but with half-decent players.
And we could play Kirk and Stockley as our front two for all
the remaining games of the season and neither of them would land a shot on
target, never mind score.
Sadly, I had bought my Ipswich tickets before the
game. It’s the hope that kills you. Again and again.
You'll be thanking the gods of lower league shit football that you did when we thump them 4-0.
The most frustrating thing for me was that Garner didn’t swop Clare for Sessegnon at HT.
Everyone in the stadium could see that Clare was hugely out of place at left back and killing every attack down the left.
Au contraire Mon ami, according to a fellow poster a few posts ago, Clare won MOM in the lounge. I can only assume that said loungees had availed themselves freely of the hospitality before the game. An astonishing decision.
No idea how he got it, he did look thoroughly miserable and dejected and I think was very aware of how poorly he and the team had played. He did at least have a smile on his face for the kids that wanted pictures and programmes signing, it made their day.
The idea that the reason for Stockley's poor form is that we're not playing to his strengths is a myth. Every time a cross has been put on his head this season he has fluffed it or headed straight at the keeper. Last night Kirk put in a perfect ball for Stockley to slide in at the back post and he just strolled in and made no atempt to tap the ball in.
His lack of ability to win a header, inability to do anything with the ball at his feet, inability to run, and generally awful positioning is the reason he has been so poor, not the system (which by the way has been changed to the system that allegedly suits him and was going to make him the excellent League One striker that he's never actually been).
Calling him the Posh Paul Benson would be overly polite.
Exactly how I see it. And when he comes back to try and get involved in play he loses the ball with a heavy touch, or misplaced pass, and just ruins all the work done by those around him.
I feared this result and MK Dons played as expected and there was no room in our final third. The only player who looked like he might do something was JRS who ran at them. We will be critical of our midfield but they had to produce inch perfect balls and the ball behind was not on. I think we could have gone three at the back before the sending off. In a game like that O'Connell and Inniss are just extra passes. Clare offensivley is a dead loss at left back as every ball he has to stop and cut in or pass back so he actually stifled moves playing in that position. CBT plays and it creates space as defenders have to stand off him.
We can argue the penalty wasn't a foul or at least in the area but MKDons deserved that result to be fair. I would have liked to see Aneke come on for the second half and play with Stockley. It shows a big thing holding us back that Garner can't do this. If I was advising Ipswich, I would say set up like MKDons, but they will probably be more open and try to beat us and we will have CBT back, hopefully, and start Sessengnon on the left so I think we have a decent chance.
The only problem I have with a Stockley, Anke combo is that crosses need to be delivered into the box to provide chances and as bad as Stockley was last night,once Campbell went off we did not put one cross into the box and the physical presence of both those players would have been lost regardless.
Psychologically, last night the three points were in the bag before kick off playing a team, bottom of the league and out of form.
Altering the team selection to protect players for Saturday`s game against the league leaders backfired. The three points we should have captured last night have been conceded to "the chance" of gaining some on Saturday. Looks like we could now end up with the body blow of zero points gained after the two games.
If Sessegnon was good enough for the bench he should have started to balance the team and give us the best chance of getting three points and retaining our unbeaten run of form. Chancing Clare at LB was a poor decision (I rate Clare highly when he plays on the right sde) and he was struggling throughout the game. This decision also had a large effect on Campbell`s performance as Clare failed many opportunities to bring him into the game as he was obviously unconfortable and lacking confidence playing at left back.
Perhaps it is better to go full throttle to secure three "easier" points against the out of form teams than to hope you can achieve unexpected success in the next match against a tougher side? IMO, a player`s psychology to win naturally kicks in against stronger opposition as they tend to rise to the occassion.
MK Dons clearly had a plan against us and it worked well. They made us struggle to get our game together and pressed us continuously. They deserved the win on the night but we threw away a great opportunity to continue our form and add another three points to our tally and consolidate a position close to the playoff zone.
I hope there is a positive response against Ipswich on Saturday to restore our belief in the team and return us to the good form we reached in the three previous wins.
Ipswich will be as expectant on Saturday as we were last night. Maybe that might just lull them into a false state of security. They sold out their full allocation in Jimmy Seed in 1 hour. Impressive and puts into perspective the competition in this league.
During the second half, after a defensive error by Innis, Steve Brown said on commentary that he was good for two mistakes a game & hoped he’d made his two for this game. I said out loud to myself “he must be due another sending off as he hasn’t had one for a few weeks!”
I make that four red cards now in his short Charlton career; I think he is a liability & doesn’t seem to learn from his ‘mistakes’.
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So, on to Saturday against a better footballing side in Ipswich, and a better game overall to watch, still think we will win, put this one in the basement and make sure it is a one off...
- A right footer at LB (Clare)
- A Left footer at RM to replace the Left footer playing RM (Payne and JRS)
- A right footer then moved to LM (Kirk)
- Our right footed LB came on to kinda play LM (Sess)
- 2 right footed CBs one who can pass and the other not so well, which is not adding balance.
His lack of ability to win a header, inability to do anything with the ball at his feet, inability to run, and generally awful positioning is the reason he has been so poor, not the system (which by the way has been changed to the system that allegedly suits him and was going to make him the excellent League One striker that he's never actually been).
Calling him the Posh Paul Benson would be overly polite.
They created much more than we did over the game even up until that point. We had one shot on target and didn't even get a corner until late on. Garner then surrendered at 2 0 down which is not the way I ever played.
This is going to be an up and down season.
- only one place lower in the table vs pre-match
- no goals conceded from open play for three matches now
- a lot of teams struggle against sit-deep-and-counter opposition, regardless of the division and quality
Sometimes less is more. Simple advice and maybe something he should consider.
Kirk should be on about 10 assists from the opening 5 games this season alone because of the chances he's put on a plate for Stockley to fluff at the keeper or over the bar.
Egbo: decent
Inniss: catastrophe in waiting in second half but defended by Garner!!
O'Connell: adequate against aerial balls, glacially slow on the deck
Clare: not a left back, not really a full back, not left sided - hung out to dry by Garner - lack of confidence as desperate as his lack of suitability for that role
Rak-Sakyi: worried the dons first half, cancelled out by Garner 2nd half, gave up after 60 minutes
Dobson: doing the work of 3 as usual, the odd misplaced pass entirely forgivable
Fraser: worked as hard as he's ever done for us - for 65 minutes, then gave up
Campbell: acquitted himself well in a misfiring malformed lineup, his injury saved him from the ignominy of the second half
Stockley: no service and little support but combative throughout
Kirk: allergic to space and running as always, given his old job back 2nd half, he hates that job so didn't do it, shirker
Payne: inept
Aneke: one barely believable run where the ball stuck to him, followed by a hopelessly overhit pass then he bailed out and offered nothing
Sessegnon: dramatically improved our left side but Garner had norsed the whole thing up by then
Referee: weak and inconsistent - standard at this level
VAR would have been our friend last night I think.
Well that was a disastrous evening. I forgot my lucky Charlton scarf and ended up in seats so high in the east stand there were cobwebs hanging from the rafters. The bloke sitting next to me, looked like he may have died of boredom at the end last season and no one had noticed. Far more in attendance than the Pompey fixture but everyone seemed curiously comatose, including most of our first eleven.
And as for that discordant dirge played on the PA system before the game -“Addicks to Victory.” It sounded like the vocalist was giving birth to a breeze block. Or perhaps he was just feeling the aural agony of those painful guitar solos. Please can someone influential at the club ensure that dreadful bloody racket is never played within a ten mile radius of the Valley again on health and safety grounds.
Not much to add on the football front except it was a well-deserved victory for MK Dons. They looked like a Ben Garner-coached team but with half-decent players.
And we could play Kirk and Stockley as our front two for all the remaining games of the season and neither of them would land a shot on target, never mind score.
Sadly, I had bought my Ipswich tickets before the game. It’s the hope that kills you. Again and again.Leave him in the studio where he is ok with the pre match and half time diagnosis stuff, but lock the comms door before the game starts...
Total refusal to accept he hamstrung the team from the start, has barely a plan A and nothing like a plan B, then fucked it up royally 2nd half:
Sean Clare is not really a full back, he's definitely not left sided - so Garner hangs him out to dry at left back
Sean Clare is allowed all the possession he wants by Dons cos they can see he's impotent at left back - Garner has a proper full back on the field in Egbo and Clare has acquitted himself at right back previously but Garner's plan is the best innit? It's obvious Garner's plan ain't troubling the Dons but he sticks with it.
Charlie Kirk has offered naff all ever, on the left but shows far better more centrally - so 2nd half he's posted out left
Jack Payne has managed one cross in all his time in red and is as hopelessly one footed as many of his colleagues, he's never been a winger so Garner snuffs out the tiny chance this midget makeweight could provide anything positive by shoving him out on the right, never once playing the wider players on their natural sides - against a team that's parked the bus
Jes Rak-Sakyi was worrying the dons on the right in the first half - so Garner moves him central to accommodate the inept Payne on the right
Inniss concedes a typically needless booking early 2nd half and goes to pieces, giving the ball away with every touch. But with a CH on the bench, or even Clare as an alternative at the back, Garner leaves Inniss on for the inevitable second booking. The penalty might have been debatable but Inniss's departure was beyond doubt.
Still no JFC in the matchday squad - McGrandles is a Sunday pub team reserve player at best, the ball bounced off him repeatedly yesterday he never got near a white shirt but "JFC's non-selection is on merit" lying bastard.
Garner "the penalty changes the game" That has to be a flat out lie, if Garner believes any bit of that at all he's a moron. He set us up to fail against the worst team in the division.
Dons parked the bus. Beating them wouldn't necessarily be easy but losing to them is a disgrace. Lying about how that was achieved is reprehensible.
The jury's in on Garner - he's an overpromoted delusional clown.
Send out a team with that many square pegs in round holes against Ipswich and they'll rack up a record score - that will be painful but it will at least prod Skintgaard into action.
We're up the shittiest of shitty creeks, in a leaky tub with no paddles, no rudder and a deluded ninny standing up in the middle telling us it's not him rocking the boat.
See y'all Saturday FFS
So frustrating watching him play.
Altering the team selection to protect players for Saturday`s game against the league leaders backfired. The three points we should have captured last night have been conceded to "the chance" of gaining some on Saturday. Looks like we could now end up with the body blow of zero points gained after the two games.
If Sessegnon was good enough for the bench he should have started to balance the team and give us the best chance of getting three points and retaining our unbeaten run of form. Chancing Clare at LB was a poor decision (I rate Clare highly when he plays on the right sde) and he was struggling throughout the game. This decision also had a large effect on Campbell`s performance as Clare failed many opportunities to bring him into the game as he was obviously unconfortable and lacking confidence playing at left back.
Perhaps it is better to go full throttle to secure three "easier" points against the out of form teams than to hope you can achieve unexpected success in the next match against a tougher side? IMO, a player`s psychology to win naturally kicks in against stronger opposition as they tend to rise to the occassion.
MK Dons clearly had a plan against us and it worked well. They made us struggle to get our game together and pressed us continuously. They deserved the win on the night but we threw away a great opportunity to continue our form and add another three points to our tally and consolidate a position close to the playoff zone.
I hope there is a positive response against Ipswich on Saturday to restore our belief in the team and return us to the good form we reached in the three previous wins.
Over to you Mr Garner.
During the second half, after a defensive error by Innis, Steve Brown said on commentary that he was good for two mistakes a game & hoped he’d made his two for this game. I said out loud to myself “he must be due another sending off as he hasn’t had one for a few weeks!”
I make that four red cards now in his short Charlton career; I think he is a liability & doesn’t seem to learn from his ‘mistakes’.