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EFL Considering end to the 3pm Blackout
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Unless anyone can tell me differently, it's Saturday. At the time of writing, fifteen minutes from now it will be 3PM. According to the schedules, Livingstone v Celtic is on live on Sky TV. At 3PM. On a Saturday.
As I see from another thread (Pompey on TV) Sky have declared this Monday to be a Saturday, and next Sunday and Monday to be Saturday too...
Do we think that we may have given Sky just a little too much power if they are actually allowed to change the calendar?11 -
I’d be all for this if it means we get rid of all the extra 12:30 kick offs that aren’t the main TV game, put those games back to 3pm and then put them all on TV4
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This may be preferable to fans, but I don't see it happening. In football, they have a goose that lays golden eggs, they'll push it as far as they possibly can. The only point at which they'll stop with their diversification of kick-off times is the point where attendances drop and it kills the on-screen atmosphere (and by then they'll probably fill in the blanks with ai generated virtual crowds*). They don't care about match-going fans, only subscription-paying and advert-watching ones.NabySarr said:I’d be all for this if it means we get rid of all the extra 12:30 kick offs that aren’t the main TV game, put those games back to 3pm and then put them all on TV
*Already, the adverts seen on broadcasts differ to those in the ground. It's the slippery slope they've started heading down where 'content' is king but reality doesn't matter a jot.0 -
For Charlton matches can they use AI to add in some goal opportunities?9
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Todays games were on because the blackout only stands if 50% of PL and Champ games are on at 3pmAlgarveaddick said:Unless anyone can tell me differently, it's Saturday. At the time of writing, fifteen minutes from now it will be 3PM. According to the schedules, Livingstone v Celtic is on live on Sky TV. At 3PM. On a Saturday.
As I see from another thread (Pompey on TV) Sky have declared this Monday to be a Saturday, and next Sunday and Monday to be Saturday too...
Do we think that we may have given Sky just a little too much power if they are actually allowed to change the calendar?0 -
It isn’t very palatable but the best option is to just remove PL 3pm KO’s and leave EFL games as they are. Obviously there would need to be an edit to the current 50% rule0
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AI isn't that advancedjimmymelrose said:For Charlton matches can they use AI to add in some goal opportunities?9 -
Ah, thanks FA. First time I have heard that, I thought that it was to protect crowds at non league level from being affected. Every day's a school day...fenaddick said:
Todays games were on because the blackout only stands if 50% of PL and Champ games are on at 3pmAlgarveaddick said:Unless anyone can tell me differently, it's Saturday. At the time of writing, fifteen minutes from now it will be 3PM. According to the schedules, Livingstone v Celtic is on live on Sky TV. At 3PM. On a Saturday.
As I see from another thread (Pompey on TV) Sky have declared this Monday to be a Saturday, and next Sunday and Monday to be Saturday too...
Do we think that we may have given Sky just a little too much power if they are actually allowed to change the calendar?2 -
I think the (possibly incorrect logic) is that with the less than 50% games you’re less likely to want to stay home and watch Sky as you’ll have less choice so you’ll end up at non leagueAlgarveaddick said:
Ah, thanks FA. First time I have heard that, I thought that it was to protect crowds at non league level from being affected. Every day's a school day...fenaddick said:
Todays games were on because the blackout only stands if 50% of PL and Champ games are on at 3pmAlgarveaddick said:Unless anyone can tell me differently, it's Saturday. At the time of writing, fifteen minutes from now it will be 3PM. According to the schedules, Livingstone v Celtic is on live on Sky TV. At 3PM. On a Saturday.
As I see from another thread (Pompey on TV) Sky have declared this Monday to be a Saturday, and next Sunday and Monday to be Saturday too...
Do we think that we may have given Sky just a little too much power if they are actually allowed to change the calendar?0 -
Struggling to get my head around that one, to be honest... 😂fenaddick said:
I think the (possibly incorrect logic) is that with the less than 50% games you’re less likely to want to stay home and watch Sky as you’ll have less choice so you’ll end up at non leagueAlgarveaddick said:
Ah, thanks FA. First time I have heard that, I thought that it was to protect crowds at non league level from being affected. Every day's a school day...fenaddick said:
Todays games were on because the blackout only stands if 50% of PL and Champ games are on at 3pmAlgarveaddick said:Unless anyone can tell me differently, it's Saturday. At the time of writing, fifteen minutes from now it will be 3PM. According to the schedules, Livingstone v Celtic is on live on Sky TV. At 3PM. On a Saturday.
As I see from another thread (Pompey on TV) Sky have declared this Monday to be a Saturday, and next Sunday and Monday to be Saturday too...
Do we think that we may have given Sky just a little too much power if they are actually allowed to change the calendar?2 -
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There are times (Boxing Day being the latest example) where I'd be quite happy for the 3pm blackout to be extended to my eyes.2
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Boxing Day is the one day of the season I prefer to see 12:30pm kick offs. Would have gone to Norwich if that was the case and still been back home in time for Boxing Day plans.Briston_Addick said:There are times (Boxing Day being the latest example) where I'd be quite happy for the 3pm blackout to be extended to my eyes.1 -
Its a wonderful tradition the Saturday 3pm KO, lets try and preservce one tradition.
Of course we all can watch 3pm on Charlton TV with a VPN, but no way I would swap seeing the Addicks in
person at The Valley, the pre-match build Up, drive over, meal before, the banter and chat is part of the match day
experience. I only every go to a around 6-8 aways so very much appreciate the excellent coverage for 3pm KO Away fixtures
on Charlton TV and the superb & knowledgable commentary by Greg & Tel and Brownie's punditry.
One question which has been asked before but as far as i know never been answered ?
How many viewers are there for Charlton TV, does anyone have a match by match breakdown of viewers on Charlton TV this season or last? ....also Does anyone know how the figures for charltons matches on SKY TV 12.30 KO's & midweek evening KO's?
What i know Is that the EFL & Premier league TV deals rely on full or mainly full grounds
as backdrops to the match, it what sells the English game across the globe?
Please can anyone help and provide these viewing figures for Charlton on SKY & Charlton TV?
I've always presumed that economically it must be decent to send Charlton TV around the UK
broadcasting with I imagine along for 3 muskateers a small production team.......1 -
there are no official streaming figures released for matches.TootingRedArmy said:Its a wonderful tradition the Saturday 3pm KO, lets try and preservce one tradition.
Of course we all can watch 3pm on Charlton TV with a VPN, but no way I would swap seeing the Addicks in
person at The Valley, the pre-match build Up, drive over, meal before, the banter and chat is part of the match day
experience. I only every go to a around 6-8 aways so very much appreciate the excellent coverage for 3pm KO Away fixtures
on Charlton TV and the superb & knowledgable commentary by Greg & Tel and Brownie's punditry.
One question which has been asked before but as far as i know never been answered ?
How many viewers are there for Charlton TV, does anyone have a match by match breakdown of viewers on Charlton TV this season or last? ....also Does anyone know how the figures for charltons matches on SKY TV 12.30 KO's & midweek evening KO's?
What i know Is that the EFL & Premier league TV deals rely on full or mainly full grounds
as backdrops to the match, it what sells the English game across the globe?
Please can anyone help and provide these viewing figures for Charlton on SKY & Charlton TV?
I've always presumed that economically it must be decent to send Charlton TV around the UK
broadcasting with I imagine along for 3 muskateers a small production team.......0 -
"Currently for away ticket gate receipts home team receive 95%, away team 5% commission. For games that can streamed in the UK, it’s 80% to the club who sell the stream and 20% to the EFL. Burton v Ipswich on Tuesday, Ipswich sold out 1,600 away tickets (95% income to Burton) and 5,300+ UK based streams (0% income to Burton)."BalladMan said:
there are no official streaming figures released for matches.TootingRedArmy said:Its a wonderful tradition the Saturday 3pm KO, lets try and preservce one tradition.
Of course we all can watch 3pm on Charlton TV with a VPN, but no way I would swap seeing the Addicks in
person at The Valley, the pre-match build Up, drive over, meal before, the banter and chat is part of the match day
experience. I only every go to a around 6-8 aways so very much appreciate the excellent coverage for 3pm KO Away fixtures
on Charlton TV and the superb & knowledgable commentary by Greg & Tel and Brownie's punditry.
One question which has been asked before but as far as i know never been answered ?
How many viewers are there for Charlton TV, does anyone have a match by match breakdown of viewers on Charlton TV this season or last? ....also Does anyone know how the figures for charltons matches on SKY TV 12.30 KO's & midweek evening KO's?
What i know Is that the EFL & Premier league TV deals rely on full or mainly full grounds
as backdrops to the match, it what sells the English game across the globe?
Please can anyone help and provide these viewing figures for Charlton on SKY & Charlton TV?
I've always presumed that economically it must be decent to send Charlton TV around the UK
broadcasting with I imagine along for 3 muskateers a small production team.......
TOOTING RED ARMY
AFKABartram.......
Charlton must have viewing figures for each match they show on Charlton TV?
What also isn't clear is how much of £10 we pay goes to Charlton V EFL?
Charlton TV clearly must be profitable after EFL split and clubs production costs: Greg, Tel, Brownies fees + production staff + cameraperson etc.
Personally I think its brilliant value £10 for matches I can't attend to see Addicks on Charlton TV with superb commentary and insight. Its also good that our club earns extra revenue & keeps fans unable to attend, connected & able to enjoy seeing Charlton. I don't think any supporter would swap watching from the armchair to the Valley but Charlton TV is a very good 2nd best.1 -
My point remains. Whether the club or EFL, whether it’s because they choose to or contractually, no official numbers on streaming figures are released.TootingRedArmy said:
"Currently for away ticket gate receipts home team receive 95%, away team 5% commission. For games that can streamed in the UK, it’s 80% to the club who sell the stream and 20% to the EFL. Burton v Ipswich on Tuesday, Ipswich sold out 1,600 away tickets (95% income to Burton) and 5,300+ UK based streams (0% income to Burton)."BalladMan said:
there are no official streaming figures released for matches.TootingRedArmy said:Its a wonderful tradition the Saturday 3pm KO, lets try and preservce one tradition.
Of course we all can watch 3pm on Charlton TV with a VPN, but no way I would swap seeing the Addicks in
person at The Valley, the pre-match build Up, drive over, meal before, the banter and chat is part of the match day
experience. I only every go to a around 6-8 aways so very much appreciate the excellent coverage for 3pm KO Away fixtures
on Charlton TV and the superb & knowledgable commentary by Greg & Tel and Brownie's punditry.
One question which has been asked before but as far as i know never been answered ?
How many viewers are there for Charlton TV, does anyone have a match by match breakdown of viewers on Charlton TV this season or last? ....also Does anyone know how the figures for charltons matches on SKY TV 12.30 KO's & midweek evening KO's?
What i know Is that the EFL & Premier league TV deals rely on full or mainly full grounds
as backdrops to the match, it what sells the English game across the globe?
Please can anyone help and provide these viewing figures for Charlton on SKY & Charlton TV?
I've always presumed that economically it must be decent to send Charlton TV around the UK
broadcasting with I imagine along for 3 muskateers a small production team.......
TOOTING RED ARMY
AFKABartram.......
Charlton must have viewing figures for each match they show on Charlton TV?
What also isn't clear is how much of £10 we pay goes to Charlton V EFL?
Charlton TV clearly must be profitable after EFL split and clubs production costs: Greg, Tel, Brownies fees + production staff + cameraperson etc.
Personally I think its brilliant value £10 for matches I can't attend to see Addicks on Charlton TV with superb commentary and insight. Its also good that our club earns extra revenue & keeps fans unable to attend, connected & able to enjoy seeing Charlton. I don't think any supporter would swap watching from the armchair to the Valley but Charlton TV is a very good 2nd best.Of course the club know what they are and how much money they make from the streams, but an aggregate figure for this does not appear in the annual accounts as far as I can tell (all broadcast revenue is aggregated under ‘television and broadcast’. )I am also interested in knowing the numbers, but there is just no data released to the public.1 -
Because everyone knows what's going on and everyone is complicit with it. Hence Nord VPN have their ads all over this stuff.BalladMan said:
there are no official streaming figures released for matches.TootingRedArmy said:Its a wonderful tradition the Saturday 3pm KO, lets try and preservce one tradition.
Of course we all can watch 3pm on Charlton TV with a VPN, but no way I would swap seeing the Addicks in
person at The Valley, the pre-match build Up, drive over, meal before, the banter and chat is part of the match day
experience. I only every go to a around 6-8 aways so very much appreciate the excellent coverage for 3pm KO Away fixtures
on Charlton TV and the superb & knowledgable commentary by Greg & Tel and Brownie's punditry.
One question which has been asked before but as far as i know never been answered ?
How many viewers are there for Charlton TV, does anyone have a match by match breakdown of viewers on Charlton TV this season or last? ....also Does anyone know how the figures for charltons matches on SKY TV 12.30 KO's & midweek evening KO's?
What i know Is that the EFL & Premier league TV deals rely on full or mainly full grounds
as backdrops to the match, it what sells the English game across the globe?
Please can anyone help and provide these viewing figures for Charlton on SKY & Charlton TV?
I've always presumed that economically it must be decent to send Charlton TV around the UK
broadcasting with I imagine along for 3 muskateers a small production team.......5 -
Yup. It is genuinely quite amusing that Charlton TV is sponsored by Nord VPN.Stig said:
Because everyone knows what's going on and everyone is complicit with it. Hence Nord VPN have their ads all over this stuff.BalladMan said:
there are no official streaming figures released for matches.TootingRedArmy said:Its a wonderful tradition the Saturday 3pm KO, lets try and preservce one tradition.
Of course we all can watch 3pm on Charlton TV with a VPN, but no way I would swap seeing the Addicks in
person at The Valley, the pre-match build Up, drive over, meal before, the banter and chat is part of the match day
experience. I only every go to a around 6-8 aways so very much appreciate the excellent coverage for 3pm KO Away fixtures
on Charlton TV and the superb & knowledgable commentary by Greg & Tel and Brownie's punditry.
One question which has been asked before but as far as i know never been answered ?
How many viewers are there for Charlton TV, does anyone have a match by match breakdown of viewers on Charlton TV this season or last? ....also Does anyone know how the figures for charltons matches on SKY TV 12.30 KO's & midweek evening KO's?
What i know Is that the EFL & Premier league TV deals rely on full or mainly full grounds
as backdrops to the match, it what sells the English game across the globe?
Please can anyone help and provide these viewing figures for Charlton on SKY & Charlton TV?
I've always presumed that economically it must be decent to send Charlton TV around the UK
broadcasting with I imagine along for 3 muskateers a small production team.......0 -
I’d imagine that now there isn’t a wraparound studio show, Charlton TV is fairly cheap to provide since it simply just uses the basic pictures that the EFL/Sky put out. I think it’s excellent.
I don’t have a strong view either way on the blackout, but I think the genie was let out of the bottle years back when Saturday lunchtime kickoffs became a regular thing for TV.1 -
Agreed at £10 Charlton TV is excellent value, I really rate Greg & Tel's commentary they do their homework on the opposition & Brownie is a very good pundit compare him to some of the so call experts like Shearer on £400K+ Ronney on £800K with BBC, beggers belief Waynes World's get this for his half arsed punditry.
My hunch is Charlton TV must surely get for a Saturday 3pm KO @ 3000 streams = £30K minius EFL fees, 3 amigo's salaries, production person(s) costs, this represents decent extra TV revenue for the club. Importantly fans who can't travel, now can watch on Charlton TV and feel far more involved than in the past. I certainly love watching Charlton's away matches on stream or SKY TV, as i only go @5-6 away matches each season. In pure economic terms alone its brilliant value at £10 compared to last nights pompey, our match tickets, petrol, cheap hotel, meal, drinks & breakfast must have come to at least £200+ for my son & I. Of course nothing beats being there but its a good 2nd best.0 -
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Not sure I understand how the Dundee derby is live on Sky at 3pm today, a Saturday, but our match isn’t on tomorrow?0
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Here's part of the answer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2kydypj1gose9addick said:Not sure I understand how the Dundee derby is live on Sky at 3pm today, a Saturday, but our match isn’t on tomorrow?The other part is that the EFL has decided that tomorrow, like last Monday night, is a "displaced Saturday" and so won't allow the streaming of every match in the UK. Basically the EFL is making up the rules as it goes along.0 -
Actually, that's probably a gross over-simplification to say the EFL is making it up as it goes along: it's probably agreed with Sky that it has to show X non-Saturday matchdays, but because of the way Christmas has fallen this year, there are more non-Saturday matchdays than you'd normally get.
I imagine the mass screening of matches runs at a loss for Sky, so they won't want to run a load of 3pm kick-offs, yet it'd see the club TV services as competition (and maybe the smaller clubs don't have them now?) so the fans' interests come last as always with a daft Sunday blackout.
And ultimately - for us - it can be watched with a VPN and Charlton TV, but nobody is going to say that bit out loud.
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