Jesurun Rak-Sakyi - 2023-4 season progress.

sam3110

Bit of revisionism on here, in the first half of the season with us he blew hot and cold, but had a strong second half of the season so that's what everyone remembers. There was a spell where he couldn't buy a goal and missed some glorious chances. But that's the thing, young players develop, and coming into a new side they have to build relationships and teamwork. 

Chunes

sam3110 said:

Bit of revisionism on here, in the first half of the season with us he blew hot and cold, but had a strong second half of the season so that's what everyone remembers. There was a spell where he couldn't buy a goal and missed some glorious chances. But that's the thing, young players develop, and coming into a new side they have to build relationships and teamwork. 

In the first half of the season there were people criticising him for lack of end product even while he was 2nd top goalscoring winger in the league.

Blowing hot and cold is just what wingers do. I've long felt that a section of our support doesn't get along with the tricky winger. They'd prefer the hardworking JJ / Johnny Robinson type. 

oohaahmortimer

He was creating chances and Leaburn missed a couple of sitters in that poor run , one I recall at Oxford .
He stuck out like a sore thumb, he could glide past the oppo with ease .
On Monday I watched him closely and on the 4 or 5 times he got the ball he done well .
Class player and my pissed chat with his dad at home to Brighton convinced him to stay , I’m sure of it .
if I can just see the rest of the squads family and tell 90% of em to fuck off we may stand a chance .

Scoham

sam3110 said:

Bit of revisionism on here, in the first half of the season with us he blew hot and cold, but had a strong second half of the season so that's what everyone remembers. There was a spell where he couldn't buy a goal and missed some glorious chances. But that's the thing, young players develop, and coming into a new side they have to build relationships and teamwork. 

No revisionism from me, he did blow hot and cold but had shown he was worth keeping. As you say young players develop, I backed him at the time knowing the ability was there and his form was likely to improve.

Bielik was similarly inconsistent earlier on in his time here before really stepping up in the second half of the season. Aribo got better that same season too, established himself as a regular starter and added goals to his game.

thenewbie

Scoham said:

sam3110 said:

Bit of revisionism on here, in the first half of the season with us he blew hot and cold, but had a strong second half of the season so that's what everyone remembers. There was a spell where he couldn't buy a goal and missed some glorious chances. But that's the thing, young players develop, and coming into a new side they have to build relationships and teamwork. 

No revisionism from me, he did blow hot and cold but had shown he was worth keeping. As you say young players develop, I backed him at the time knowing the ability was there and his form was likely to improve.

Bielik was similarly inconsistent earlier on in his time here before really stepping up in the second half of the season. Aribo got better that same season too, established himself as a regular starter and added goals to his game.

Chances are that at least one of and maybe both Asiimwe and Anderson will probably be the same and push on in a similar way.

Problem is that (on current evidence) we'll be so far off the pace by then it probably won't make much difference.

killerandflash

Played most of the game today from the bench, and did well. Which shows how much of a "cheat code" he was in L1 last season, once he settled into men's football.

Fortune 82nd Minute

A cheeky little bid to take him on loan in January for the rest of the season to strengthen our promotion bid is called for.

If only :-)

GetYerCoreyOut

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

A cheeky little bid to take him on loan in January for the rest of the season to strengthen our promotion bid is called for.

If only :-)

He is exactly what we are missing this season going forward, imagine him, May and CBT. Unfortunately palarse wont loan and if they do, it'll be to a championship side.

Leuth

Are we missing that much going forward? Would be interesting to see our xG under Appleton as compared to Holden

GetYerCoreyOut

Leuth said:

Are we missing that much going forward? Would be interesting to see our xG under Appleton as compared to Holden

In my honest opinion we need a right winger, Campbell being a bit too inexperienced for a promotion push and Tedic not thriving, although he may need to time to adapt to the role. An out and out experienced left footed winger would be a brilliant addition in January if only for competition. 

Scoham

GetYerCoreyOut said:

Leuth said:

Are we missing that much going forward? Would be interesting to see our xG under Appleton as compared to Holden

In my honest opinion we need a right winger, Campbell being a bit too inexperienced for a promotion push and Tedic not thriving, although he may need to time to adapt to the role. An out and out experienced left footed winger would be a brilliant addition in January if only for competition. 

Another right footer but would like to see Chem Campbell get a chance on that side. He looked promising going forward but I’m guessing Appleton wasn’t happy with his work rate or defensive contribution.

GetYerCoreyOut

Scoham said:

GetYerCoreyOut said:

Leuth said:

Are we missing that much going forward? Would be interesting to see our xG under Appleton as compared to Holden

In my honest opinion we need a right winger, Campbell being a bit too inexperienced for a promotion push and Tedic not thriving, although he may need to time to adapt to the role. An out and out experienced left footed winger would be a brilliant addition in January if only for competition. 

Another right footer but would like to see Chem Campbell get a chance on that side. He looked promising going forward but I’m guessing Appleton wasn’t happy with his work rate or defensive contribution.

Yep, I think he put in a right shift when he was starting for us, especially supporting CBT down that left side. Unfortunately, I've heard he's fallen out of favor with Appleton.

Scoham

Southampton looking at taking him on loan.

https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/southampton-keen-on-loan-deal-for-crystal-palace-winger-in-final-days-of-january-transfer-window/

mendonca

Rak-Sakyi, even the unwise must now realise where would have been without 15 goals and 8 assists last season. 

golfaddick

mendonca said:

Rak-Sakyi, even the unwise must now realise where would have been without 15 goals and 8 assists last season. 

I said in the summer that we'll be in trouble as we didnt fill the big hole on the right hand side with a replacement. 

SDAddick

golfaddick said:

mendonca said:

Rak-Sakyi, even the unwise must now realise where would have been without 15 goals and 8 assists last season. 

I said in the summer that we'll be in trouble as we didnt fill the big hole on the right hand side with a replacement. 

We didn't fill it at all. That was a huge problem when trying to play 4-2-3-1. I'm pretty sure the thinking at the club was that we were replacing JRS with Alfie May and switching to 3-5-2. And that makes some sense, except for the fact that CBT doesn't fit into a 3-5-2, and we basically abandoned 3-5-2 after two matches. 

In the league this season we've had the following start on the right:

1. TC
2. May
3. Tedic
4. Miles
5. Kanu
6. Payne
7. Rylah
8. 10A
9. Asiimwe
10. Ramsay

I know I'm combining "wingers" and wingbacks but still, that's a lot. Kirk also came on and played on the right in the first game, and Chem started there a couple of times in the cups. 

PragueAddick

Isn’t it true that there is no place for either JRS or CBT in team at this level at least that insists on 3-5-2 because neither of them are ever going to do the “back” part of the wing-back job well? 

And if so, isn’t that a bit…wrong? JRS is the most shining talent to grace our shirt for years. When he was on the pitch there was always a chance of a goal, and the chance of seeing something that gets fans out of their seats and provides lasting memories. I can still picture his final goal against Port Vale- he sent two Vale defenders half way into the East Stand with an exquisite dummy before firing through the gap they’d vacated. If there’s no place for players like him in 3-5-2 then you can stick 3-5-2 up Andy Scott´s arse.

Scoham

PragueAddick said:

Isn’t it true that there is no place for either JRS or CBT in team at this level at least that insists on 3-5-2 because neither of them are ever going to do the “back” part of the wing-back job well? 

And if so, isn’t that a bit…wrong? JRS is the most shining talent to grace our shirt for years. When he was on the pitch there was always a chance of a goal, and the chance of seeing something that gets fans out of their seats and provides lasting memories. I can still picture his final goal against Port Vale- he sent two Vale defenders half way into the East Stand with an exquisite dummy before firing through the gap they’d vacated. If there’s no place for players like him in 3-5-2 then you can stick 3-5-2 up Andy Scott´s arse.

Jones has mainly used a diamond or 3-5-2 as manager and it’s not done him much harm. I want us to be successful, winning football is a lot more enjoyable than struggling to stay up in L1. If we can do that without wingers I’d take it.

The Red Robin

I don’t quite understand wanting a high press and a 3-5-2. It’ll never work. If you want press high, it should be a 4-3-3 or variation of. 

J BLOCK

The lack of any wingers, creative midfielders or wing backs that can attack are a huge reason we are where we are. Our best and only hope is that ladapo and chuks stay fit and we play long ball to them for the rest of the season. We simply do not have the players to get the ball in the box through playing on the floor or beating a player through skill/creativity. 

golfaddick

PragueAddick said:

Isn’t it true that there is no place for either JRS or CBT in team at this level at least that insists on 3-5-2 because neither of them are ever going to do the “back” part of the wing-back job well? 

And if so, isn’t that a bit…wrong? JRS is the most shining talent to grace our shirt for years. When he was on the pitch there was always a chance of a goal, and the chance of seeing something that gets fans out of their seats and provides lasting memories. I can still picture his final goal against Port Vale- he sent two Vale defenders half way into the East Stand with an exquisite dummy before firing through the gap they’d vacated. If there’s no place for players like him in 3-5-2 then you can stick 3-5-2 up Andy Scott´s arse.

This,

PragueAddick

Scoham said:

PragueAddick said:

Isn’t it true that there is no place for either JRS or CBT in team at this level at least that insists on 3-5-2 because neither of them are ever going to do the “back” part of the wing-back job well? 

And if so, isn’t that a bit…wrong? JRS is the most shining talent to grace our shirt for years. When he was on the pitch there was always a chance of a goal, and the chance of seeing something that gets fans out of their seats and provides lasting memories. I can still picture his final goal against Port Vale- he sent two Vale defenders half way into the East Stand with an exquisite dummy before firing through the gap they’d vacated. If there’s no place for players like him in 3-5-2 then you can stick 3-5-2 up Andy Scott´s arse.

Jones has mainly used a diamond or 3-5-2 as manager and it’s not done him much harm. I want us to be successful, winning football is a lot more enjoyable than struggling to stay up in L1. If we can do that without wingers I’d take it.

If we assume he’s just hit a bit of a confidence crisis, do you see a role for Campbell in a Jones team? I am pretty sure he isnt and doesnt want to be a wing-back. 

bolloxbolder

PragueAddick said:

Scoham said:

PragueAddick said:

Isn’t it true that there is no place for either JRS or CBT in team at this level at least that insists on 3-5-2 because neither of them are ever going to do the “back” part of the wing-back job well? 

And if so, isn’t that a bit…wrong? JRS is the most shining talent to grace our shirt for years. When he was on the pitch there was always a chance of a goal, and the chance of seeing something that gets fans out of their seats and provides lasting memories. I can still picture his final goal against Port Vale- he sent two Vale defenders half way into the East Stand with an exquisite dummy before firing through the gap they’d vacated. If there’s no place for players like him in 3-5-2 then you can stick 3-5-2 up Andy Scott´s arse.

Jones has mainly used a diamond or 3-5-2 as manager and it’s not done him much harm. I want us to be successful, winning football is a lot more enjoyable than struggling to stay up in L1. If we can do that without wingers I’d take it.

If we assume he’s just hit a bit of a confidence crisis, do you see a role for Campbell in a Jones team? I am pretty sure he isnt and doesnt want to be a wing-back. 

I just want that shirker out of the club. Absolutely disgusted with his attitude and demeanour.

Scoham

PragueAddick said:

Scoham said:

PragueAddick said:

Isn’t it true that there is no place for either JRS or CBT in team at this level at least that insists on 3-5-2 because neither of them are ever going to do the “back” part of the wing-back job well? 

And if so, isn’t that a bit…wrong? JRS is the most shining talent to grace our shirt for years. When he was on the pitch there was always a chance of a goal, and the chance of seeing something that gets fans out of their seats and provides lasting memories. I can still picture his final goal against Port Vale- he sent two Vale defenders half way into the East Stand with an exquisite dummy before firing through the gap they’d vacated. If there’s no place for players like him in 3-5-2 then you can stick 3-5-2 up Andy Scott´s arse.

Jones has mainly used a diamond or 3-5-2 as manager and it’s not done him much harm. I want us to be successful, winning football is a lot more enjoyable than struggling to stay up in L1. If we can do that without wingers I’d take it.

If we assume he’s just hit a bit of a confidence crisis, do you see a role for Campbell in a Jones team? I am pretty sure he isnt and doesnt want to be a wing-back. 

Doubt it, I can’t see where he’d fit in. Most likely we’ll occasionally bring him off the bench if we need a goal.

Even at his best Campbell’s still not good enough to justify playing with wingers to fit him in. It made sense with JRS and CBT, but Campbell hasn’t shown he’s at that level yet.

Sollied

We need to avoid thinking that you can’t play exciting football without wingers. Bowyer’s promotion winning team had no wingers - and I know which team I’d rather watch week in week out out of that one and some of the recent sides that have had with wingers in …

PragueAddick

Sollied said:

We need to avoid thinking that you can’t play exciting football without wingers. Bowyer’s promotion winning team had no wingers - and I know which team I’d rather watch week in week out out of that one and some of the recent sides that have had with wingers in …

Well that's a good point. I'd agree, if we had two of  Alfie Doughty, Anfernee Dijksteel or  Ian Maadsen  to choose from. 

SDAddick

PragueAddick said:

Isn’t it true that there is no place for either JRS or CBT in team at this level at least that insists on 3-5-2 because neither of them are ever going to do the “back” part of the wing-back job well? 

And if so, isn’t that a bit…wrong? JRS is the most shining talent to grace our shirt for years. When he was on the pitch there was always a chance of a goal, and the chance of seeing something that gets fans out of their seats and provides lasting memories. I can still picture his final goal against Port Vale- he sent two Vale defenders half way into the East Stand with an exquisite dummy before firing through the gap they’d vacated. If there’s no place for players like him in 3-5-2 then you can stick 3-5-2 up Andy Scott´s arse.

I mean I would be more inclined to agree with this if either of them still played for us. The reversion back to 3-5-2 in the last month makes some sense in that we don't have a lot of quality out wide anymore with CBT leaving.

The question is, why did Holden come in and try to start playing 3-5-2? And then why did we spend all summer seemingly recruiting for 3-5-2 with CBT still on the books, only to switch to 4-3-3 after about two matches? And with that came the question of where May would play.

I think 3-5-2 makes sense now. I don't think it did previously. And obviously there are still a lot of questions around it. How do the CBs fit together? Is Gillesphey best on the left or in the middle? Do we get enough creativity out wide from our two starting WBs (I would say no at this point)? And the worst one is how do all of our midfielders fit together? 

This is not all on Andy Scott given he also inherited a Frankenstein's monster squad. But a lot of it is on him because he's now had about 2.5 windows (with varying degrees of backing) to try to build a coherent squad and we're still lacking. I think the building blocks are there, but the decision to basically tear it down and rebuild in January was a far riskier one than I think he anticipated, and we're honestly paying for that now.

SDAddick

Scoham said:

PragueAddick said:

Scoham said:

PragueAddick said:

Isn’t it true that there is no place for either JRS or CBT in team at this level at least that insists on 3-5-2 because neither of them are ever going to do the “back” part of the wing-back job well? 

And if so, isn’t that a bit…wrong? JRS is the most shining talent to grace our shirt for years. When he was on the pitch there was always a chance of a goal, and the chance of seeing something that gets fans out of their seats and provides lasting memories. I can still picture his final goal against Port Vale- he sent two Vale defenders half way into the East Stand with an exquisite dummy before firing through the gap they’d vacated. If there’s no place for players like him in 3-5-2 then you can stick 3-5-2 up Andy Scott´s arse.

Jones has mainly used a diamond or 3-5-2 as manager and it’s not done him much harm. I want us to be successful, winning football is a lot more enjoyable than struggling to stay up in L1. If we can do that without wingers I’d take it.

If we assume he’s just hit a bit of a confidence crisis, do you see a role for Campbell in a Jones team? I am pretty sure he isnt and doesnt want to be a wing-back. 

Doubt it, I can’t see where he’d fit in. Most likely we’ll occasionally bring him off the bench if we need a goal.

Even at his best Campbell’s still not good enough to justify playing with wingers to fit him in. It made sense with JRS and CBT, but Campbell hasn’t shown he’s at that level yet.

I think for the foreseeable future he'll be primarily used off the bench, either playing behind the strikers (where he has at times looked good, especially off the bench, and at other times looked not so good) or coming on to the left for a "change of pace" type attacker. I actually think this might help his development. It takes some of the pressure off of him of starting every week on the right, where he isn't as strong as on the left, and it allows him to use his directness and pace to impact games. 

I just did my squad prediction for this week and I don't have him in the 18, but I do think that he will still have a role to play in the run in. 

cafc999

We don't have the players for 3-5-2, so why do we persevere with it?

SDAddick

cafc999 said:

We don't have the players for 3-5-2, so why do we persevere with it?

But then what do we have players for? We have so many CBs. I could see the argument for 4-1-2-1-2, (442 diamond), but I don't know that we have two good 8s to play as shuttlers, and I'm not sure we have a natural 10 to play there. My first choice there would be Alfie, but then it feels like we switched formation in large part to accommodate for May to play two up front, then drop him deeper. I also worry about our back four.