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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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Roland wanted £50M off ESI. Who knows what he wants now.EugenesAxe said:So Roland wants £50m for his bit and Thomas wants £25m for his bit.0 -
Not true. For a start we had about 17,000 season-ticket holders in the Championship in 2007/08. I think it's stretching logic to suggest that 11,000 were only there in the hope of cheap/free PL football the following season. We've not had regular attendances of fewer than 6,000 at The Valley since the 1980s and not everyone who can be called a core supporter goes to every game.msomerton said:se9addick said:
I’m not sure any club in the South has that level of commitment from their fans.carly burn said:Joachim Sandgaard and Leo Rifkind are only echoing the Thoughts of TS.
TS made the huge mistake if thinking we have a hard core set of support akin to Sunderland or Sheffield Wednesday. By hardcore, I mean the numbers turning up regardless of what kind of shyte is served up.
We are nowhere near their loyal levels.
I would point out West Ham. Even Portsmouth.
We have never had a core support of more than 6000. Even in the prem days I felt most where there because it was a cheap prem game not because it was Charlton playing.
I wouldn't suggest that Charlton's "core support" (whatever that actually means) is on a par with Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday or Portsmouth - you can see that in retail and commercial income. We got very good at converting supporters into season-ticket holders - over 10,000 in 2012/13 and similar in 2019/20 for example. We had 8,000 home fans in the ground against Oxford.10 -
I think people are getting bit overexcited by numbers, even if they are authentic, which I don't know. If someone knocks on my door asking to buy my house, I'm going to quote them a premium price. It doesn't mean I won't sell it cheaper, especially if I know I can't pay next month's mortgage.20
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You aren’t a raging narcissist though are you?Airman Brown said:I think people are getting bit overexcited by numbers, even if they are authentic, which I don't know. If someone knocks on my door asking to buy my house, I'm going to quote them a premium price. It doesn't mean I won't sell it cheaper, especially if I know I can't pay next month's mortgage.8 -
Roland's plan was flawed in part because the rules governing football financing changed I think and there was a vote here, something to do with the EU I think in 2016, which meant his crap network players in future wouldn't get work permits.MuttleyCAFC said:
The problem with TS and Roland is they are the types that won't admit their great ideas were wrong, it will always be somebody elses fault.swordfish said:
Was it worth it with the benefit of hindsight? He would have gone anyway IMO because his great idea came to nought.J BLOCK said:One silver lining, IMO if the fans mobilised and forced the issue with TS like we tried with Roland. I’m sure he’d cave.0 -
By the same token Rodders, if the next owner is another obvious crook I hope we waste no time in crowdfunding an assassin.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Can we all perhaps make a pact to hold off from immediately going balls deep and rolling out the red carpet and hero worship with the next potential chancer who turns up with the keys to big top tent of CAFC until they actually demonstrate actions to back up words whoever that may be.
I know that will be difficult given it's in our DNA now from the past 15 years but it may save a fair bit of heartache and dignity down the road.
(NB This is a joke btw, just in case some imbecile is thinking of reporting me to the police)
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Do you think there’s truth to the rumours that he can’t pay the bills, rather than has just had enough and doesn’t want to pay out anymore?Airman Brown said:I think people are getting bit overexcited by numbers, even if they are authentic, which I don't know. If someone knocks on my door asking to buy my house, I'm going to quote them a premium price. It doesn't mean I won't sell it cheaper, especially if I know I can't pay next month's mortgage.
Both scenarios are awful for us, I’m honestly not sure which is worse though .0 -
Can someone tell me please how we know TS is asking £25M, thanks.0
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Tahoon has been in touch with him, and then tweeted photos of the emailsRedJohn said:Can someone tell me please how we know TS is asking £25M, thanks.17 -
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Wrong, they are both equally important. We are going no where under TS, in fact we have gone backwards on and off the pitch and it could get a lot worse under his tenure.se9addick said:
It’s really not the getting rid of Sangaard that’s the issue, it’s what comes next.J BLOCK said:One silver lining, IMO if the fans mobilised and forced the issue with TS like we tried with Roland. I’m sure he’d cave.2 -
Surely anyone buying a season ticket in L1 is a fan? How many did we sell this year? 7,000 was it? Not a massive core support, but you can add fans who live a long way from the Valley to that total. And those abroad etc, all of who contribute when they watch on iFollow. Probably paying as much as season-ticket holders, or even more if they watch all the matches.msomerton said:se9addick said:
I’m not sure any club in the South has that level of commitment from their fans.carly burn said:Joachim Sandgaard and Leo Rifkind are only echoing the Thoughts of TS.
TS made the huge mistake if thinking we have a hard core set of support akin to Sunderland or Sheffield Wednesday. By hardcore, I mean the numbers turning up regardless of what kind of shyte is served up.
We are nowhere near their loyal levels.
I would point out West Ham. Even Portsmouth.
We have never had a core support of more than 6000. Even in the prem days I felt most where there because it was a cheap prem game not because it was Charlton playing.4 -
Nearer 8K I thinkJamesSeed said:
Surely anyone buying a season ticket in L1 is a fan? How many did we sell this year? 7,000 was it?msomerton said:se9addick said:
I’m not sure any club in the South has that level of commitment from their fans.carly burn said:Joachim Sandgaard and Leo Rifkind are only echoing the Thoughts of TS.
TS made the huge mistake if thinking we have a hard core set of support akin to Sunderland or Sheffield Wednesday. By hardcore, I mean the numbers turning up regardless of what kind of shyte is served up.
We are nowhere near their loyal levels.
I would point out West Ham. Even Portsmouth.
We have never had a core support of more than 6000. Even in the prem days I felt most where there because it was a cheap prem game not because it was Charlton playing.2 -
They really, really aren’t.J BLOCK said:
Wrong, they are both equally important. We are going no where under TS, in fact we have gone backwards on and off the pitch and it could get a lot worse under his tenure.se9addick said:
It’s really not the getting rid of Sangaard that’s the issue, it’s what comes next.J BLOCK said:One silver lining, IMO if the fans mobilised and forced the issue with TS like we tried with Roland. I’m sure he’d cave.
As bad as things may or may not be under Sandgaard, you only have to look at the owners he acquired us from to see how bad it could be.Getting the pitchforks out before we know there’s something better on the horizon is very short sighted.7 -
The club have not announced any figure recentlyWeegie Addick said:
Nearer 8K I thinkJamesSeed said:
Surely anyone buying a season ticket in L1 is a fan? How many did we sell this year? 7,000 was it?msomerton said:se9addick said:
I’m not sure any club in the South has that level of commitment from their fans.carly burn said:Joachim Sandgaard and Leo Rifkind are only echoing the Thoughts of TS.
TS made the huge mistake if thinking we have a hard core set of support akin to Sunderland or Sheffield Wednesday. By hardcore, I mean the numbers turning up regardless of what kind of shyte is served up.
We are nowhere near their loyal levels.
I would point out West Ham. Even Portsmouth.
We have never had a core support of more than 6000. Even in the prem days I felt most where there because it was a cheap prem game not because it was Charlton playing.0 -
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Dazzler you have nothing to apologise for, every one of us on here wanted Sandgaard to be the real deal, it has only dawned on most since the sacking of Jacko and the subsequent failure of Sandgaard to back his bold words. A liar will only get away with it for so long, just ask Boris Johnson.Dazzler21 said:
I have chatted to him a few times and can validate this. He felt so genuine each time. I'm so frustrated by how well he lies.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Have been told months ago that TS will look you straight in the eyes, and without blinking, tell you blatant lies...allegedly.ForeverAddickted said:
He'd definitely be an out & out winner on " Call my bluff" !
Apologies in order to @Maccn05 from me that is for sure.
You were right early on and I apologise.4 -
Bullshit has a sell by date though Eugene.EugenesAxe said:
You aren’t a raging narcissist though are you?Airman Brown said:I think people are getting bit overexcited by numbers, even if they are authentic, which I don't know. If someone knocks on my door asking to buy my house, I'm going to quote them a premium price. It doesn't mean I won't sell it cheaper, especially if I know I can't pay next month's mortgage.0 -
Surely the Sandgard clan are the Danish equivalent of a family of Gerald Ratner’s.0
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Their Financial Adviser is Napa Addick.Uboat said:Duchatelet and Sandgaard both employ this weird logic that if you buy something and lose a fortune on it that it somehow becomes worth the value of the losses.11 -
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They’ll just change the date on itBailey said:
Bullshit has a sell by date though Eugene.EugenesAxe said:
You aren’t a raging narcissist though are you?Airman Brown said:I think people are getting bit overexcited by numbers, even if they are authentic, which I don't know. If someone knocks on my door asking to buy my house, I'm going to quote them a premium price. It doesn't mean I won't sell it cheaper, especially if I know I can't pay next month's mortgage.1 -
Are the, as yet unfounded but potential cuts to the Academy an attempt by Sandgaard to try and temp somebody to the negotiating table?0
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Disagree, we are becoming a shell of a club, cuts everywhere. Both are important.se9addick said:
They really, really aren’t.J BLOCK said:
Wrong, they are both equally important. We are going no where under TS, in fact we have gone backwards on and off the pitch and it could get a lot worse under his tenure.se9addick said:
It’s really not the getting rid of Sangaard that’s the issue, it’s what comes next.J BLOCK said:One silver lining, IMO if the fans mobilised and forced the issue with TS like we tried with Roland. I’m sure he’d cave.
As bad as things may or may not be under Sandgaard, you only have to look at the owners he acquired us from to see how bad it could be.Getting the pitchforks out before we know there’s something better on the horizon is very short sighted.4 -
All very depressing at the moment. Hope, if we are up for sale, that a buyer is in the offing. For the life of me though I can’t see us presenting as an attractive prospect.1
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All this business with the academy, it appears to me that Sandgaard is throwing his toys out of the pram because he didn’t get Cat 1 status .. Just a thought. But it is worrying0
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How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?1
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No one has said we’re up for sale (unfortunately).Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?0 -
The academy is literally the only part of the club we can remotely still be proud of at the moment. I would of said The Valley as well, but of course some yellow fanged Belgian coffin dodger owns that!
If rumours are true about cost cutting, then Sanguard is more of a lemon than even I thought.6 -
You've chatted with TS face to face a few times?Dazzler21 said:
I have chatted to him a few times and can validate this. He felt so genuine each time. I'm so frustrated by how well he lies.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Have been told months ago that TS will look you straight in the eyes, and without blinking, tell you blatant lies...allegedly.ForeverAddickted said:
He'd definitely be an out & out winner on " Call my bluff" !
Apologies in order to @Maccn05 from me that is for sure.
You were right early on and I apologise.0 -
Difference between being up for sale and people looking to buy. Not sure about the first but confident about the second. And the money.Redmidland said:How reliable are these sources that we are up for sale? More importantly are these buyers ones that have the required dosh to put us on an upwardly mobile direction or are they ESI type characters?32
