I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there? I certainly don’t know. However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.
Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.
None of us really know though. I suspect it’s just a good fit for TS to have his son here, to keep an eye on things as Seth said. I doubt very much that Martin is throwing his weight around overruling people who have much more experience than he does, even if TS is bigging him up, saying he runs the show. Fwiw, the body language between him and Gallen seemed ok after the U18s match at the weekend. If Martin *is* being is nightmare then I’m sure we’ll hear about it one way or another.
There are two camps here - blind faith in Sandgaard or enormous sceptics. One is based on evidence, one is based on hope.
To a greater or lesser extent the story of every ownership (discounting ESI2) over the last decade is the same - movement from optimism/goodwill to disappointment/ antagonism. The timescale and depth of disillusionment differed but the trajectory has been the same. I think that is more accurate than “two camps” - it is a dynamic and people move from one to the other position over time. The movement has been one way only.
Perhaps it was ever thus. You can apply it to the Glikstens, Hulyer, Fryer and even the Murray-led administration although there was significant success mixed into those (over and above promotion from the third tier).
I do not think the fans were responsible for what happened with the spivs/Duchatelet/ESI - the reality was that all of these owners were wankers, to use the technical term. The movement in opinion was thus inevitable as they got found out, on and off the pitch. None of those people were going to run the club successfully over time, however the fans reacted. All of them, incidentally, were overtly or covertly opposed by their own staff.
It’s important both to learn from history and not to conclude that this dynamic is inevitable. But right now the trajectory is the same, whether people like it or not.
The trouble is our fan base have been scarred from the wankers as you technically call them, has your stance changed on TS? As your tone of post regarding him seems to have changed or am I misinterpreting things( easily done) are we in danger of trying to find TS out as you say and eventually push the guy away for what has been described as naive mistakes?. If the people with an agenda against him have concrete evidence that history is repeating then show the evidence so it can be acted upon, otherwise it could end in tears and open ourselves up to Thomas giving it bollox, and low and behold we’re asking the same questions of the new incumbent, eventually the doubters are going to have to accept what we have and not what they would want in a perfect world.
I’m not sure who the people “who have an agenda” against TS are or what their “agenda” is, But I do recognise this as the way any criticism of the spivs, Duchatelet and ESI was dismissed. Until it wasn’t.
So based upon the one part you’ve chosen to address, as I’ve said before a lot of what you say is listened to being that you do the Charlton fanzine and seem to be a bit more Itk, are you suggesting now that we should be comparing Thomas to the shitbags previously, as me being someone not itk would like to know. As for the agendas , It’s pretty clear there are people not in support of TS, naturally there will always be, They’re agenda would be to not have him owning the club I’m guessing,which really unless we start creating a new dossier, he will be around for a while.but I’m pretty sure I didn’t really to explain that to you. We don’t need cryptic clues just facts is my point really.
Ive wanted Beale all along and given the big delay I still think that would tie in with him wanting to end the season with Villa, 6/1 still available on him too
I’m not saying it’s inaccurate that Taylor will “inevitably “ have spoken to Jackson but I’m not convinced these statements are always true. I’m sure if MT really wanted to get hold of Jackson’s number he could but how much credence would you place on asking the person who’s just been sacked from the job you are considering ? I’m not saying JJ would have an axe to grind but it’s possible. It might be different if they were dear old chums but I doubt the two have spoken to each other for years. Always seems odd to me that these clichéd assumptions about asking advice on the job you want are rolled out every time.
Well they played together for 2 seasons. If you was going for a job and you knew someone who used to work there would you not ask them?
Or would you back yourself and trust in your own judgement , so if it tits you’ve only yourself to blame, or conversely pat yourself on the back🤷🏻♂️
I would ask around and then get all the advice/conversations I needed and then decide from there.
As Leo Tolstoy who managed Arsenal (Tula, not Woolwich) and did some writing in his spare time almost said:
All good owners are alike, but every bad owner is bad in their own way
So fans can criticise TS and IMHO there are a number of valid reasons and other concerns at present (and some nonsense too) but he isn't ESI 1 or 2, Roland, the Spivs, Murray, Hulyer or the Glikstens. He is a different person in a different time.
So comparisons, which are inevitable, are unhelpful.
He doesn't have to be as bad as Roland to be bad.
And not being as bad as the Spivs, Roland, or ESI (which I don't think he is) doesn't put him beyond criticism either.
Not going to rehash yet again what mistakes he has or hasn't made.
I expect everyone, especially me, to make mistakes.
It is how people react and learn from those mistakes that is telling.
That's why this managerial appointment and the summer's recruitment will be, IMHO, the key indicator for TS.
We don't know the internal timetable for the managerial appointment so we don't know if it is ahead of, on or behind schedule.
We do know that no has been announced on the OS. Yet.
This cast-iron delineation between 'good owners' and 'bad owners' is the sort of bullshit that our fans have gone insane swallowing. We've ended up in the situation where the only 'acceptable' owner has limitless cash, limitless patience, gives the manager limitless control, and probably does limitless damage in their day-job of human-rights-abusing oil potentate. Football is fucked and we don't know we're born. Sandgaard is fine. He cares. He'll very easily do.
My god this place is both tedious and depressing at times.
Literally nobody knows what terms have been offered to any prospective manager (if any have), what restraints will be placed on that manager, what structure they'll work within.
Yet the hand wringing and incessant bleating is endless, "nobody will come in under this system", "why haven't we got anybody in yet", and on and on and on.
The season hasn't even finished yet! Only 2 clubs have appointed new managers so far, and I think we're all in agreement that one of those may have been a bit hasty. I'd far rather the club takes it's time finding the right appointment, and that the negotiations to get the right deal and system in place take whatever time is needed.
It's like you're all desperate for the worst possible outcome just so you can justify your self flagellation.
I'm sorry. But I can't keep giving these people the benefit of the doubt. I can only react to what I'm seeing and hearing. The blind faith part of my brain was scorched some years ago.
We are by far in a worse position now than we were 12 months ago. And I say that in terms of building a successful side and pushing forward. You'll remember that Adkins was appointed after a diligent interviewing stage and he at least had the luxury of a few months before the pivotal summer period to get established and decide what he wanted and didn't want. He was then subsequently let down badly during that period for reasons only known by this ownership.
Now fast forward 12 months. A team of people who on the whole still know very little about football are tasked with trying to find a manager. When they've managed to do that, they will then be faced with the equally monumental task of finding players to fit into the new managers ethos. ( If he or she are allowed to have their own one?)
So to wrap up, the stage was set much fairer last summer than it is this. Quite why anyone would think the outcome will be rosier is beyond me?
Carly Burn you have summed this up perfectly. We should judge on what we’ve seen evidence wise. Maybe we will find the next Eddie Howe but from the evidence so far it’s not to be expected. Neither depressed or anxious by this just being realistic.
As Leo Tolstoy who managed Arsenal (Tula, not Woolwich) and did some writing in his spare time almost said:
All good owners are alike, but every bad owner is bad in their own way
So fans can criticise TS and IMHO there are a number of valid reasons and other concerns at present (and some nonsense too) but he isn't ESI 1 or 2, Roland, the Spivs, Murray, Hulyer or the Glikstens. He is a different person in a different time.
So comparisons, which are inevitable, are unhelpful.
He doesn't have to be as bad as Roland to be bad.
And not being as bad as the Spivs, Roland, or ESI (which I don't think he is) doesn't put him beyond criticism either.
Not going to rehash yet again what mistakes he has or hasn't made.
I expect everyone, especially me, to make mistakes.
It is how people react and learn from those mistakes that is telling.
That's why this managerial appointment and the summer's recruitment will be, IMHO, the key indicator for TS.
We don't know the internal timetable for the managerial appointment so we don't know if it is ahead of, on or behind schedule.
We do know that no has been announced on the OS. Yet.
This cast-iron delineation between 'good owners' and 'bad owners' is the sort of bullshit that our fans have gone insane swallowing. We've ended up in the situation where the only 'acceptable' owner has limitless cash, limitless patience, gives the manager limitless control, and probably does limitless damage in their day-job of human-rights-abusing oil potentate. Football is fucked and we don't know we're born. Sandgaard is fine. He cares.He'll very easily do.
Not if we continue to drop down the leagues he won't. Or even fail to get promoted.
He doesn't have oligarch unlimited funds and no way would he hang around throwing £8m a year of his families' finite inheritance into the bottomless money pit of league one perpetually and no one could expect him to.
Particularly when the fanbase expects us to be challenging to play at a higher level.
If we were AFC Wimbledon or Burton then plodding along in yhis league with low expectations and mirrored lower expenditure I think it would be sustainable.
But we're not and both fans and owner know that and will want to get to the championship asap where both fans and owner would likely be far more comfortable in staying in that league for the foreseeable.
My god this place is both tedious and depressing at times.
Literally nobody knows what terms have been offered to any prospective manager (if any have), what restraints will be placed on that manager, what structure they'll work within.
Yet the hand wringing and incessant bleating is endless, "nobody will come in under this system", "why haven't we got anybody in yet", and on and on and on.
It's like you're all desperate for the worst possible outcome just so you can justify your self flagellation.
So no news then? The club is a joke, takes us weeks to get anything done. Last summer we went about a month without signing anyone during the window, and we wonder why we failed last season.
If anyone who has got a lot of posts to catch up on, please just read the above then get on with your day.
As Leo Tolstoy who managed Arsenal (Tula, not Woolwich) and did some writing in his spare time almost said:
All good owners are alike, but every bad owner is bad in their own way
So fans can criticise TS and IMHO there are a number of valid reasons and other concerns at present (and some nonsense too) but he isn't ESI 1 or 2, Roland, the Spivs, Murray, Hulyer or the Glikstens. He is a different person in a different time.
So comparisons, which are inevitable, are unhelpful.
He doesn't have to be as bad as Roland to be bad.
And not being as bad as the Spivs, Roland, or ESI (which I don't think he is) doesn't put him beyond criticism either.
Not going to rehash yet again what mistakes he has or hasn't made.
I expect everyone, especially me, to make mistakes.
It is how people react and learn from those mistakes that is telling.
That's why this managerial appointment and the summer's recruitment will be, IMHO, the key indicator for TS.
We don't know the internal timetable for the managerial appointment so we don't know if it is ahead of, on or behind schedule.
We do know that no has been announced on the OS. Yet.
This cast-iron delineation between 'good owners' and 'bad owners' is the sort of bullshit that our fans have gone insane swallowing. We've ended up in the situation where the only 'acceptable' owner has limitless cash, limitless patience, gives the manager limitless control, and probably does limitless damage in their day-job of human-rights-abusing oil potentate. Football is fucked and we don't know we're born. Sandgaard is fine. He cares.He'll very easily do.
Not if we continue to drop down the leagues he won't. Or even fail to get promoted.
He doesn't have oligarch unlimited funds and no way would he hang around throwing £8m a year of his families finite inheritance into the bottomless money pit of league one perpetually and no one could expect him to.
Particularly when the fanbase expects us to be challenging to play at a higher level.
If we were AFC Wimbledon or Burton then plodding along in yhis league with low expectations and mirrored lower expenditure I think it would be sustainable.
But we're not and both fans and owner know that and will want to get to the championship asap where both fans and owner would likely be far more comfortable in staying in that league for the foreseeable.
But don't you see how your logic, which is sound, would surely mean he cares a LOT that we get promoted? And that would square with my own observations. Nothing he's done indicates contentment with League One
Please tell me it could not happen.Martin Sandgaard Mananger Jason Euell Head Coach ?
It can't happen
MS doesn't have any coaching badges which are now a requirement for managerial roles in the EFL and EPL.
It could of sorts, he could create a new position.. So you could have first team coaches that do the training field stuff... Then Director of Selection, who would pick the team..
As Leo Tolstoy who managed Arsenal (Tula, not Woolwich) and did some writing in his spare time almost said:
All good owners are alike, but every bad owner is bad in their own way
So fans can criticise TS and IMHO there are a number of valid reasons and other concerns at present (and some nonsense too) but he isn't ESI 1 or 2, Roland, the Spivs, Murray, Hulyer or the Glikstens. He is a different person in a different time.
So comparisons, which are inevitable, are unhelpful.
He doesn't have to be as bad as Roland to be bad.
And not being as bad as the Spivs, Roland, or ESI (which I don't think he is) doesn't put him beyond criticism either.
Not going to rehash yet again what mistakes he has or hasn't made.
I expect everyone, especially me, to make mistakes.
It is how people react and learn from those mistakes that is telling.
That's why this managerial appointment and the summer's recruitment will be, IMHO, the key indicator for TS.
We don't know the internal timetable for the managerial appointment so we don't know if it is ahead of, on or behind schedule.
We do know that no has been announced on the OS. Yet.
This cast-iron delineation between 'good owners' and 'bad owners' is the sort of bullshit that our fans have gone insane swallowing. We've ended up in the situation where the only 'acceptable' owner has limitless cash, limitless patience, gives the manager limitless control, and probably does limitless damage in their day-job of human-rights-abusing oil potentate. Football is fucked and we don't know we're born. Sandgaard is fine. He cares.He'll very easily do.
Not if we continue to drop down the leagues he won't. Or even fail to get promoted.
He doesn't have oligarch unlimited funds and no way would he hang around throwing £8m a year of his families finite inheritance into the bottomless money pit of league one perpetually and no one could expect him to.
Particularly when the fanbase expects us to be challenging to play at a higher level.
If we were AFC Wimbledon or Burton then plodding along in yhis league with low expectations and mirrored lower expenditure I think it would be sustainable.
But we're not and both fans and owner know that and will want to get to the championship asap where both fans and owner would likely be far more comfortable in staying in that league for the foreseeable.
But don't you see how your logic, which is sound, would surely mean he cares a LOT that we get promoted? And that would square with my own observations. Nothing he's done indicates contentment with League One
Oh yes I wholly agree with that sentiment mate. Where my concern stems from is whether he has the nous and experience, or has it in his management team, to achieve our wholly mutual objectives.
I still think our objectives are aligned between fan and owner in a way not seen under prior owners eg football success.
Concern is that it appears it requires really well executed strategies, shit ton of money, right managerial and playing appointments and a slice of fortune in today's game even in our increasingly daunting league one.
Concern is thar TS is still in the "figuring it out" stage and that his proclamations of top 2 etc seem wildly optimistic/ naive if he truly believes them. Also worry he would lose interest/ be understandably terrified of doing a serious amount of his wealth year after year especially when there is no adulation and potential for the opposite with each season that failed to get near stated expectations.
I don't question his heart or intentions but his understanding and experience of what is required beyond admirable positivity and can do attitude and the money he's gratefully pumping in to keep us going.
Is it to much to expect the club to give us a statement ?
To say what? Even if they come out and say it's progressing well people will moan. We need to appoint someone fairly quickly but I don't see a statement being worthwhile right now.
As Leo Tolstoy who managed Arsenal (Tula, not Woolwich) and did some writing in his spare time almost said:
All good owners are alike, but every bad owner is bad in their own way
So fans can criticise TS and IMHO there are a number of valid reasons and other concerns at present (and some nonsense too) but he isn't ESI 1 or 2, Roland, the Spivs, Murray, Hulyer or the Glikstens. He is a different person in a different time.
So comparisons, which are inevitable, are unhelpful.
He doesn't have to be as bad as Roland to be bad.
And not being as bad as the Spivs, Roland, or ESI (which I don't think he is) doesn't put him beyond criticism either.
Not going to rehash yet again what mistakes he has or hasn't made.
I expect everyone, especially me, to make mistakes.
It is how people react and learn from those mistakes that is telling.
That's why this managerial appointment and the summer's recruitment will be, IMHO, the key indicator for TS.
We don't know the internal timetable for the managerial appointment so we don't know if it is ahead of, on or behind schedule.
We do know that no has been announced on the OS. Yet.
This cast-iron delineation between 'good owners' and 'bad owners' is the sort of bullshit that our fans have gone insane swallowing. We've ended up in the situation where the only 'acceptable' owner has limitless cash, limitless patience, gives the manager limitless control, and probably does limitless damage in their day-job of human-rights-abusing oil potentate. Football is fucked and we don't know we're born. Sandgaard is fine. He cares.He'll very easily do.
Not if we continue to drop down the leagues he won't. Or even fail to get promoted.
He doesn't have oligarch unlimited funds and no way would he hang around throwing £8m a year of his families finite inheritance into the bottomless money pit of league one perpetually and no one could expect him to.
Particularly when the fanbase expects us to be challenging to play at a higher level.
If we were AFC Wimbledon or Burton then plodding along in yhis league with low expectations and mirrored lower expenditure I think it would be sustainable.
But we're not and both fans and owner know that and will want to get to the championship asap where both fans and owner would likely be far more comfortable in staying in that league for the foreseeable.
But don't you see how your logic, which is sound, would surely mean he cares a LOT that we get promoted? And that would square with my own observations. Nothing he's done indicates contentment with League One
Oh yes I wholly agree with that sentiment mate. Where my concern stems from is whether he has the nous and experience, or has it in his management team, to achieve our wholly mutual objectives.
I still think our objectives are aligned between fan and owner in a way not seen under prior owners eg football success.
Concern is that it appears it requires really well executed strategies, shit ton of money, right managerial and playing appointments and a slice of fortune in today's game even in our increasingly daunting league one.
Concern is thar TS is still in the "figuring it out" stage and that his proclamations of top 2 etc seem wildly optimistic/ naive if he truly believes them. Also worry he would lose interest/ be understandably terrified of doing a serious amount of his wealth year after year especially when there is no adulation and potential for the opposite with each season that failed to get near stated expectations.
I don't question his heart or intentions but his understanding and experience of what is required beyond admirable positivity and can do attitude and the money he's gratefully pumping in to keep us going.
All completely fair, and I wish this were the tenor of all the criticism - reasonable, balanced, understanding, constructive.
We're an abused, sick, desperate fanbase though, so I suppose it's inevitable that it isn't.
I would like to see him involved in ‘some way or another’ on the team/playing side of things. Not sure how that could be accomplished though, first off an agreement with the new manager would need to be made in order that he would agree to the idea. Of course……..would Curbs himself be interested?
"Concern is that it appears it requires really well executed strategies, shit ton of money, right managerial and playing appointments and a slice of fortune in today's game even in our increasingly daunting league one."
This is it though. Football is not only fucked, it isn't fair. Only three teams can get promoted. Next season there will be about ten teams with precisely the same ambitions as us. Ten into three doesn't go. Add in that this is a learning process and honestly the recent rhetoric from TS about playing attractive football makes much more sense than his naive earlier pronouncements. It sounds absurd asking our fans for more patience after what we've been through but this, more than any other season, is the time to build. Last season we could barely play football
The doom and gloom is mental. The comparisons that TS is like RD, Why havent we got a manager now, why sack JJ even though the football was crap. MS is a wrong'n and will be the head coach etc etc.
I genuinely feel the majority of this fan base has a strange sense of entitlement but i'm not sure why.
I still believe that TS is in it for the right reasons, i.e building success for the fun times to roll. If financial gain comes in the deal, mores the pleasure. He wants it to come good as much as us, and has 8,000,000 reasons a season (if figures are as suggested).
I like most fans just want to see success and good football. It makes me feel good on a Saturday and Sunday morning the Mrs reaps the benefit.
Not all owners or managers can get the recipe right, as only 3 clubs gain promotion, which is generally the yardstick of a successful season.
Our collective distain is set to remain until TS gets the recipe right. Success is crucial to TS winning favour with the fans. Shiny seats, a good U18, U23, women's team are very much appreciated, but the 1st team is what the majority including myself, use to measure football happiness.
I am not sure what Martin Sandgaard does, or any detail at all as to why he is disparaged, although I am sure people will reasonably say others could do whatever MS is supposed to do much better, but beyond that what damage to good stuff balance is there? I certainly don’t know. However what does make sense to me is Thomas Sandgaard having somebody in location he can trust, and to be honest I don’t blame him.
Appreciate your thoughts Seth but its not about trust it’s nepotism and it’s bonkers. Yes he can do what he likes it’s his money but it’s pure wrong for our football club.
None of us really know though. I suspect it’s just a good fit for TS to have his son here, to keep an eye on things as Seth said. I doubt very much that Martin is throwing his weight around overruling people who have much more experience than he does, even if TS is bigging him up, saying he runs the show. Fwiw, the body language between him and Gallen seemed ok after the U18s match at the weekend. If Martin *is* being is nightmare then I’m sure we’ll hear about it one way or another.
There are two camps here - blind faith in Sandgaard or enormous sceptics. One is based on evidence, one is based on hope.
To a greater or lesser extent the story of every ownership (discounting ESI2) over the last decade is the same - movement from optimism/goodwill to disappointment/ antagonism. The timescale and depth of disillusionment differed but the trajectory has been the same. I think that is more accurate than “two camps” - it is a dynamic and people move from one to the other position over time. The movement has been one way only.
Perhaps it was ever thus. You can apply it to the Glikstens, Hulyer, Fryer and even the Murray-led administration although there was significant success mixed into those (over and above promotion from the third tier).
I do not think the fans were responsible for what happened with the spivs/Duchatelet/ESI - the reality was that all of these owners were wankers, to use the technical term. The movement in opinion was thus inevitable as they got found out, on and off the pitch. None of those people were going to run the club successfully over time, however the fans reacted. All of them, incidentally, were overtly or covertly opposed by their own staff.
It’s important both to learn from history and not to conclude that this dynamic is inevitable. But right now the trajectory is the same, whether people like it or not.
The trouble is our fan base have been scarred from the wankers as you technically call them, has your stance changed on TS? As your tone of post regarding him seems to have changed or am I misinterpreting things( easily done) are we in danger of trying to find TS out as you say and eventually push the guy away for what has been described as naive mistakes?. If the people with an agenda against him have concrete evidence that history is repeating then show the evidence so it can be acted upon, otherwise it could end in tears and open ourselves up to Thomas giving it bollox, and low and behold we’re asking the same questions of the new incumbent, eventually the doubters are going to have to accept what we have and not what they would want in a perfect world.
I’m not sure who the people “who have an agenda” against TS are or what their “agenda” is, But I do recognise this as the way any criticism of the spivs, Duchatelet and ESI was dismissed. Until it wasn’t.
I know who they are but they are on another forum……thankfully.
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A nod's as good as wink to a blind horse
He doesn't have oligarch unlimited funds and no way would he hang around throwing £8m a year of his families' finite inheritance into the bottomless money pit of league one perpetually and no one could expect him to.
Particularly when the fanbase expects us to be challenging to play at a higher level.
If we were AFC Wimbledon or Burton then plodding along in yhis league with low expectations and mirrored lower expenditure I think it would be sustainable.
But we're not and both fans and owner know that and will want to get to the championship asap where both fans and owner would likely be far more comfortable in staying in that league for the foreseeable.
MS doesn't have any coaching badges which are now a requirement for managerial roles in the EFL and EPL.
Let's hope TS doesn't read this forum... ha-ha
I still think our objectives are aligned between fan and owner in a way not seen under prior owners eg football success.
Concern is that it appears it requires really well executed strategies, shit ton of money, right managerial and playing appointments and a slice of fortune in today's game even in our increasingly daunting league one.
Concern is thar TS is still in the "figuring it out" stage and that his proclamations of top 2 etc seem wildly optimistic/ naive if he truly believes them. Also worry he would lose interest/ be understandably terrified of doing a serious amount of his wealth year after year especially when there is no adulation and potential for the opposite with each season that failed to get near stated expectations.
I don't question his heart or intentions but his understanding and experience of what is required beyond admirable positivity and can do attitude and the money he's gratefully pumping in to keep us going.
I liked Taylor as a player, and admire what he's done at Exeter.
I think he'd be absolutely nuts to apply for the Charlton job under this ownership.
We're an abused, sick, desperate fanbase though, so I suppose it's inevitable that it isn't.
Not sure how that could be accomplished though, first off an agreement with the new manager would need to be made in order that he would agree to the idea.
Of course……..would Curbs himself be interested?
We are searching for a new manager and in the process of conducting interviews.
We hope to make an announcement as soon as possible.
This is it though. Football is not only fucked, it isn't fair. Only three teams can get promoted. Next season there will be about ten teams with precisely the same ambitions as us. Ten into three doesn't go. Add in that this is a learning process and honestly the recent rhetoric from TS about playing attractive football makes much more sense than his naive earlier pronouncements. It sounds absurd asking our fans for more patience after what we've been through but this, more than any other season, is the time to build. Last season we could barely play football
I genuinely feel the majority of this fan base has a strange sense of entitlement but i'm not sure why.
I like most fans just want to see success and good football. It makes me feel good on a Saturday and Sunday morning the Mrs reaps the benefit.
Not all owners or managers can get the recipe right, as only 3 clubs gain promotion, which is generally the yardstick of a successful season.
Our collective distain is set to remain until TS gets the recipe right. Success is crucial to TS winning favour with the fans. Shiny seats, a good U18, U23, women's team are very much appreciated, but the 1st team is what the majority including myself, use to measure football happiness.
Get it right TS or trouble will be brewing.