I can't quote verbatim but Thomas Sandgaard saying despite Michael Beale being a good coach Cafc are looking for a more ambitious appointment. I believe that is known as burning your Bridges.
This was said after Nigel Adkins left.
Michael Beale as manager/coach with a "director of football/general manager" so Michael can concentrate on the football Tatics would show ambition to build a club's DNA or find it ! and was on my short list for sure.
Beale may only be called assistant coach but Stevie G, loves his input and are still in the process of creating Villa's identity and they can only keep improving with the signing of Coutinho.
I would prefer Taylor over Beale because Taylor will be far more knowledgeable about the League 1 & 2 best players where we are likely to be fishing. if we go with Beale, it puts more emphasis on the player recruitment department's capabilities ( Martin Sandgaard etc -a little worrying) and loan players from the Prem
We have Gallen and currently Jason to know the division. Getting in the best coach that’s possible is the most important thing.
Surprised to see people think Beale wouldn't leave Premier League Villa as it's a good job etc. Mckenna left Man Utd to take up his first managerial role... why wouldn't Beale leave Villa?
Confused as to why people think he wouldn't leave Premier League Villa as it's a good job etc. Mckenna left Man Utd to take up his first managerial role... why wouldn't Beale leave Villa?
A but different though McKenna (and Carrick) weren't part of the package they were "left overs" from the previous managers. Beale specifically moved jobs twice to go with Stevie G MBE.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.
Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm. There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.
@vfrf - why would a woman managing a group of male footballers be any different to a woman managing a group of male accountants, doctors, bank staff, bakers etc
There is absolutely no difference in managing a women's team to managing a men's team.
Confused as to why people think he wouldn't leave Premier League Villa as it's a good job etc. Mckenna left Man Utd to take up his first managerial role... why wouldn't Beale leave Villa?
A but different though McKenna (and Carrick) weren't part of the package they were "left overs" from the previous managers. Beale specifically moved jobs twice to go with Stevie G MBE.
Wouldn't say they were leftovers. They were kept on even after Ole left (Carrick chose to leave) but Mckenna was a first-team coach under Ragnick so was part of the coaching set-up still. Beale following Gerrard from Rangers to Villa is a given, he wouldn't have stayed at Rangers when there's a guaranteed job for him at Villa.
Confused as to why people think he wouldn't leave Premier League Villa as it's a good job etc. Mckenna left Man Utd to take up his first managerial role... why wouldn't Beale leave Villa?
A but different though McKenna (and Carrick) weren't part of the package they were "left overs" from the previous managers. Beale specifically moved jobs twice to go with Stevie G MBE.
Wouldn't say they were leftovers. They were kept on even after Ole left (Carrick chose to leave) but Mckenna was a first-team coach under Ragnick so was part of the coaching set-up still. Beale following Gerrard from Rangers to Villa is a given, he wouldn't have stayed at Rangers when there's a guaranteed job for him at Villa.
But they weren't Ragnick's men, so to speak, and there was no guarantee that they would still be there next season as yet another manager comes in, wanting to bring his own people in. Part of the decision for McKenna to leave was probably timing. None of that applies to Beale currently.
Found this to be slightly muggy to Beale - “He has a fantastic track record, especially on the supporting side,” said Sandgaard at the time. “Of course we talked to Michael. We’ve also been a little more ambitious than that, in terms of the level of managers we’ve been reaching for.”
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.
Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm. There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.
@vfrf - why would a woman managing a group of male footballers be any different to a woman managing a group of male accountants, doctors, bank staff, bakers etc
There is absolutely no difference in managing a women's team to managing a men's team.
Football still has a macho and misogynistic culture, so of course it's different. You can debate the wrongs and rights of that all day, but you can't debate it exists.
Most successful footballers have wives and girlfriends that are more likely to be seen in celebrity magazines than managing a group of accountants.
As much as Beale is my No1 choice and was when both Bowyer and Adkins left , I'm really not sure we could tempt him away from Stevie G and Villa. Would be one hell of a coup if we could but just seems really unlikely
Would be very happy with Beale. If the new manager isn’t going to have much say on recruitment then getting the best coach possible is a good idea. As a long term option with a really good crop of U18s coming through then he could be perfect. Will put us in good position for any loans from Chelsea, Liverpool and Villa also.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.
Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm. There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.
@vfrf - why would a woman managing a group of male footballers be any different to a woman managing a group of male accountants, doctors, bank staff, bakers etc
There is absolutely no difference in managing a women's team to managing a men's team.
Football still has a macho and misogynistic culture, so of course it's different. You can debate the wrongs and rights of that all day, but you can't debate it exists.
Most successful footballers have wives and girlfriends that are more likely to be seen in celebrity magazines than managing a group of accountants.
Again, I'm not saying it's right.
That should change though - and it's only gonna change by clubs making progressive moves like appointing a women as the men's coach.
No , I do not want a woman managing the men's team.
Ok, I've said it. So sue me.
Can’t see why. Coaching and good ideas for football are not the preserve of men. I don’t see a problem. We’re not asking her to go in goal are we.
Sure, if it is just a coach you're looking for. Managers tend to have more over-arching duties including handling personal issues, dressing somebody down when necessary, there are natural differences between the characters or women vs men. Maybe when this particular change happens in English football it will be a success, jury is still out for me on whether a woman in charge would be able to reign in 20+ young men all with bags of banter and attitude, having to retain that level of respect at the helm. There's every chance Emma would come in and be a success, but as we haven't seen a female manager in the mens English game yet, I for one would rather us not be the guinea pig of this particular social experiment considering how wide apart the women's game currently is from the mens.
@vfrf - why would a woman managing a group of male footballers be any different to a woman managing a group of male accountants, doctors, bank staff, bakers etc
There is absolutely no difference in managing a women's team to managing a men's team.
How do you qualify that statement when it's never been done? In all of those industries you've mentioned, there's often a relatively balanced mix of both sexes in the actual teams. As a female manager in mens football, you'll often be the only female in the room unless you bring your own background staff so to say there's absolutely no difference is a hell of an assumption. You can't get past the biology of there being differences in men and women, also for what it's worth, I never said she'd be unsuccessful - I just said I don't want us to be the first team to do it as it could backfire and I'm quite frankly fed up with gambling and saying 'next year we'll kick on'.
As much as Beale is my No1 choice and was when both Bowyer and Adkins left , I'm really not sure we could tempt him away from Stevie G and Villa. Would be one hell of a coup if we could but just seems really unlikely
If he has any ambition he may not want to stay in Gerard’s shadow, and a breakthrough into management at a club with potential might be just what he’s looking for.
Alternatively Villa might have offered him big bucks and/or a path into management.
Confused as to why people think he wouldn't leave Premier League Villa as it's a good job etc. Mckenna left Man Utd to take up his first managerial role... why wouldn't Beale leave Villa?
A but different though McKenna (and Carrick) weren't part of the package they were "left overs" from the previous managers. Beale specifically moved jobs twice to go with Stevie G MBE.
Wouldn't say they were leftovers. They were kept on even after Ole left (Carrick chose to leave) but Mckenna was a first-team coach under Ragnick so was part of the coaching set-up still. Beale following Gerrard from Rangers to Villa is a given, he wouldn't have stayed at Rangers when there's a guaranteed job for him at Villa.
But they weren't Ragnick's men, so to speak, and there was no guarantee that they would still be there next season as yet another manager comes in, wanting to bring his own people in. Part of the decision for McKenna to leave was probably timing. None of that applies to Beale currently.
Fair, but this is Manchester United we are talking about. Mckenna could have stayed till the end of the season as who knew how Ragnicks tenure was going to go. Say they got top 4 and won a cup, if he is part of that set-up, his CV is going to be impressive. Instead, he opted to take a managerial job as soon as he could be because I assume, turning down a manager's job if that is what you wanted to do long term was too good to turn down, especially at a club like Ipswitch.
Remember, Beale as publicly said positive things about Charlton whilst we were looking for a manager so effectively putting himself in the shop window as well as having a conversation with TS before. I think if he was that committed to following Gerrard, he wouldn't be doing that in my opinion. If Beale wants to be managerial and wasn't too annoyed at TS comments when we recruited before about wanting to be a little more "Ambitious" then I think we would see that Beale isn't as locked into Villa/Gerrard as you think..
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This was said after Nigel Adkins left.
Michael Beale as manager/coach with a "director of football/general manager" so Michael can concentrate on the football Tatics would show ambition to build a club's DNA or find it ! and was on my short list for sure.
Beale may only be called assistant coach but Stevie G, loves his input and are still in the process of creating Villa's identity and they can only keep improving with the signing of Coutinho.
Plenty of possible sources.
Mckenna left Man Utd to take up his first managerial role... why wouldn't Beale leave Villa?
There is absolutely no difference in managing a women's team to managing a men's team.
Beale following Gerrard from Rangers to Villa is a given, he wouldn't have stayed at Rangers when there's a guaranteed job for him at Villa.
Most successful footballers have wives and girlfriends that are more likely to be seen in celebrity magazines than managing a group of accountants.
Again, I'm not saying it's right.
In all of those industries you've mentioned, there's often a relatively balanced mix of both sexes in the actual teams. As a female manager in mens football, you'll often be the only female in the room unless you bring your own background staff so to say there's absolutely no difference is a hell of an assumption. You can't get past the biology of there being differences in men and women, also for what it's worth, I never said she'd be unsuccessful - I just said I don't want us to be the first team to do it as it could backfire and I'm quite frankly fed up with gambling and saying 'next year we'll kick on'.
Remember, Beale as publicly said positive things about Charlton whilst we were looking for a manager so effectively putting himself in the shop window as well as having a conversation with TS before. I think if he was that committed to following Gerrard, he wouldn't be doing that in my opinion. If Beale wants to be managerial and wasn't too annoyed at TS comments when we recruited before about wanting to be a little more "Ambitious" then I think we would see that Beale isn't as locked into Villa/Gerrard as you think..