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  • paulfox said:
    shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself. 
    The other side of the coin is (and I’m making the salary up here). Exeter pay Taylor £150k year…Charlton offer him £250k a year and a 3 year contract. I very much doubt if a conversation with Jackson is going to sway him. 
  • paulfox said:
    shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself. 
    The other side of the coin is (and I’m making the salary up here). Exeter pay Taylor £150k year…Charlton offer him £250k a year and a 3 year contract. I very much doubt if a conversation with Jackson is going to sway him. 
    Are you saying he’d be swayed by money??!!!! Surely not he’d being joining for prestige wouldn’t he!!😜😂
  • paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself. 
    The other side of the coin is (and I’m making the salary up here). Exeter pay Taylor £150k year…Charlton offer him £250k a year and a 3 year contract. I very much doubt if a conversation with Jackson is going to sway him. 
    Are you saying he’d be swayed by money??!!!! Surely not he’d being joining for prestige wouldn’t he!!😜😂
    More than that. Imagine the lure of being able to take the the training pitch with Albie Morgan every day.
  • paulfox said:
    shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself. 
    Give it time  :D
  • shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    Perhaps but it’s worth remembering that Johnnie would still like to be at Charlton. 
  • DA9 said:
    We will hire who ever is left on the self in late August. 
    That’s the spirit!
    Watford and Fleetwood have hired already . The rest with managers are signing players and we are tracing last years disaster when we had a manager who apparently was bi passed on some signings of which , somewere late anyway . We then scrabbled around in September.  The answer was Soarè.
    When I pointed out in mid June our recruitment was slow and  not in line with smashing the league I was rounded on by all. Now everyone  agrees last summer was piss poor. 
    That is why I say thar, history  doesn't exactly point to anything else does it , with Tommy.
    Why he just doesn't  do his badges and have done with it. 
    3 managers in 20 months isn't  goi g to attract a high flyer does it.
    I hope I am wrong. 
    You usually are...
    I have just pointed out that I wasn't  wrong on this yet you insist that wasn't  the case.

    I also said that a less than half fit Aneke wasn't a good idea. What happened  he missed most of the games from Jan to April 30th..or perhaps we only played 
    He played 9 games of 22 or 23 available , started 4 completed 2 and collected 4 yellow cards straight  of. He didn't actually change many came outcomes apart from Cheltenham and maybe Shrewsbury. 

    But you will tell.me that is wrong too. 


    I'm gonna tell you its utter gibberish. Not one coherent sentence.
    Tsk. You couldn’t make a spo ge without an egg
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  • paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself. 
    Give it time  :D
    I think there are some that really believe it’s a possibility the way they carry on. People seem to be quite keen on putting the boot in on old Tommy, not sure why because for me the biggest let downs were the team and the outgoing manager in that order.maybe if any of the doubters have concrete evidence that there are sinister things happening, they should come clean with us not in the know fans , it is becoming really tedious reading how every decision is a bad one. If things are amiss then fine, but if it’s just conjecture let the bloke get on and sort things out.
    Well he’s sort of sorted it out by putting his son in charge of recruitment. You know, the one with the hard shot.
  • I’m not sure anyone mentioned so far will agree to work within the constraints of the current player recruitment set-up.
  • edited May 2022
    paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself. 
    Give it time  :D
    I think there are some that really believe it’s a possibility the way they carry on. People seem to be quite keen on putting the boot in on old Tommy, not sure why because for me the biggest let downs were the team and the outgoing manager in that order.maybe if any of the doubters have concrete evidence that there are sinister things happening, they should come clean with us not in the know fans , it is becoming really tedious reading how every decision is a bad one. If things are amiss then fine, but if it’s just conjecture let the bloke get on and sort things out.
    Well he’s sort of sorted it out by putting his son in charge of recruitment. You know, the one with the hard shot.
    I’m not defending him as i don’t know the facts, but did I incorrectly read somewhere he is overseeing the analytics department not actually signing the players?. Are we getting our knickers in a twist with only getting half the story?. Im keeping my powder dry until we see who the manager is, im guessing we will all have a better idea once the first couple of signings are made as to whether we should question what’s going on. Unless as I said previously there is something for certain,somebody knows that maybe we should be made privy too.
  • I’m not sure anyone mentioned so far will agree to work within the constraints of the current player recruitment set-up.
    Not sure if I heard right but during that hour long Exeter City interview, I'm sure he mentioned some bloke was responsible for the recruiting. Maybe it's more commonplace than we realise. 
  • I would take the manager odds with a massive pinch of salt, it takes a bet of £1 to move one of these markets, it’s completely random, with next to no liquidity and set up for people to lose money
    Very true.

    And all betting is set up for people to lose money, that's how it works and why bookmakers make their profits.
  • It absolutely is.
    We have had someone in that role, or similar, pretty much since Curbs left.  

    Some of them have been a disaster.  
  • Never complicate something that is basically simple. 
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  • paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself. 
    Give it time  :D
    I think there are some that really believe it’s a possibility the way they carry on. People seem to be quite keen on putting the boot in on old Tommy, not sure why because for me the biggest let downs were the team and the outgoing manager in that order.maybe if any of the doubters have concrete evidence that there are sinister things happening, they should come clean with us not in the know fans , it is becoming really tedious reading how every decision is a bad one. If things are amiss then fine, but if it’s just conjecture let the bloke get on and sort things out.
    Well he’s sort of sorted it out by putting his son in charge of recruitment. You know, the one with the hard shot.
    I’m not defending him as i don’t know the facts, but did I incorrectly read somewhere he is overseeing the analytics department not actually signing the players?. Are we getting our knickers in a twist with only getting half the story?. Im keeping my powder dry until we see who the manager is, im guessing we will all have a better idea once the first couple of signings are made as to whether we should question what’s going on. Unless as I said previously there is something for certain,somebody knows that maybe we should be made privy too.
    Much was made of Thomas Driesen being appointed when he had no real experience in the game but was making decisions on which players the manager should buy.  What's the difference here?  Seems like it's just some other chap with no experience being given a job to do that he is underqualified for.  What may make matters worse is that it's the owner's son, so clearly the accusations of nepotism are bound to materialise.
    I certainly take your point but it’s computer analytics he’s doing. Unless you don’t think this aspect of player assessment is at all useful which would be an outlier view in the game at present then who might be better qualified for this role ? Certainly not any of the possible managers being spoken about or probably anyone else currently at the club. No doubt scouting and personal knowledge are more important ? But the analysis of stats could highlight players that were not previously known or considered. We mustn’t be too blinkered in our approach. If it transpires that the analytics is the prime driver in recruitment then we might have reason to be concerned but I don’t think it is or ever will be. 
  • Never complicate something that is basically simple. 
    Not a thing known to man that can’t be improved.
  • paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself. 
    The other side of the coin is (and I’m making the salary up here). Exeter pay Taylor £150k year…Charlton offer him £250k a year and a 3 year contract. I very much doubt if a conversation with Jackson is going to sway him. 
    Are you saying he’d be swayed by money??!!!! Surely not he’d being joining for prestige wouldn’t he!!😜😂
    More than that. Imagine the lure of being able to take the the training pitch with Albie Morgan every day.

    Any manager/coach worth his salts at the 3rd level would enjoy the challenge of working with Morgan. Why at times is his set pieces excellent: the set pieces to Jayden and Chuks which led to headed goals against Shrewsbury, yet he has no belief when he attempts shots with a moving ball.
    I was on Morgan watch against Morecambe at home. 4 particular shots at goal summed up Albie's game.
    Two scuffed shots around the box which were half chances but also two volleys which went close but I just don't feel he has the conviction !
    His passing game would improve when he has more options and movement around him. 

    I would read the riot act to Morgan; you are fitter than ever, now spend extra time in the afternoon at Sparrows lane just striking a football until you have total belief. Are you happy just to be a squad player, picking up your money and being content whether you are in the team or not. 

    I know I'm in the minority but Morgan could be 50% better if he was pushed and cajoled into being a much better player. Does he want it enough ?

    I just don’t think it’s as simple as that. What separates average L1 type players from good Championship players, or higher, isn’t just desire I fear. 

    “His passing game would improve when he has more options and movement around him.”

    I’m afraid it’s more of an ‘if’ than a ‘when’. 
  • paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself. 
    Give it time  :D
    I think there are some that really believe it’s a possibility the way they carry on. People seem to be quite keen on putting the boot in on old Tommy, not sure why because for me the biggest let downs were the team and the outgoing manager in that order.maybe if any of the doubters have concrete evidence that there are sinister things happening, they should come clean with us not in the know fans , it is becoming really tedious reading how every decision is a bad one. If things are amiss then fine, but if it’s just conjecture let the bloke get on and sort things out.
    Well he’s sort of sorted it out by putting his son in charge of recruitment. You know, the one with the hard shot.
    I’m not defending him as i don’t know the facts, but did I incorrectly read somewhere he is overseeing the analytics department not actually signing the players?. Are we getting our knickers in a twist with only getting half the story?. Im keeping my powder dry until we see who the manager is, im guessing we will all have a better idea once the first couple of signings are made as to whether we should question what’s going on. Unless as I said previously there is something for certain,somebody knows that maybe we should be made privy too.
    Much was made of Thomas Driesen being appointed when he had no real experience in the game but was making decisions on which players the manager should buy.  What's the difference here?  Seems like it's just some other chap with no experience being given a job to do that he is underqualified for.  What may make matters worse is that it's the owner's son, so clearly the accusations of nepotism are bound to materialise.
    I certainly take your point but it’s computer analytics he’s doing. Unless you don’t think this aspect of player assessment is at all useful which would be an outlier view in the game at present then who might be better qualified for this role ? Certainly not any of the possible managers being spoken about or probably anyone else currently at the club. No doubt scouting and personal knowledge are more important ? But the analysis of stats could highlight players that were not previously known or considered. We mustn’t be too blinkered in our approach. If it transpires that the analytics is the prime driver in recruitment then we might have reason to be concerned but I don’t think it is or ever will be. 
    Which is exactly what Driesen was doing 
  • shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    He would make a small fortune writing a book about last 12 years 
    If turned into a Netflix mini-series, who would play Jacko and the other protagonists? 
  • TEL said:
    I’m not sure anyone mentioned so far will agree to work within the constraints of the current player recruitment set-up.
    Not sure if I heard right but during that hour long Exeter City interview, I'm sure he mentioned some bloke was responsible for the recruiting. Maybe it's more commonplace than we realise. 
    But it was probably someone that knew what they were doing, not someone that was a production and supply chain manager up until a year ago…
  • paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    paulfox said:
    shirty5 said:
    So at this stage Taylor is under consideration. No mention if the club have spoken to Exeter for permission. 

    However if Taylor has got any sense he wants to speak to Jackson on how the club has been since Taylor left in 2013. 

    No better person to ask than Jackson 
    Good idea, ask the man that’s just been sacked,I’m sure it will be a glowing recommendation. might as well not bother and let TS be manager himself. 
    Give it time  :D
    I think there are some that really believe it’s a possibility the way they carry on. People seem to be quite keen on putting the boot in on old Tommy, not sure why because for me the biggest let downs were the team and the outgoing manager in that order.maybe if any of the doubters have concrete evidence that there are sinister things happening, they should come clean with us not in the know fans , it is becoming really tedious reading how every decision is a bad one. If things are amiss then fine, but if it’s just conjecture let the bloke get on and sort things out.
    Well he’s sort of sorted it out by putting his son in charge of recruitment. You know, the one with the hard shot.
    I’m not defending him as i don’t know the facts, but did I incorrectly read somewhere he is overseeing the analytics department not actually signing the players?. Are we getting our knickers in a twist with only getting half the story?. Im keeping my powder dry until we see who the manager is, im guessing we will all have a better idea once the first couple of signings are made as to whether we should question what’s going on. Unless as I said previously there is something for certain,somebody knows that maybe we should be made privy too.
    Much was made of Thomas Driesen being appointed when he had no real experience in the game but was making decisions on which players the manager should buy.  What's the difference here?  Seems like it's just some other chap with no experience being given a job to do that he is underqualified for.  What may make matters worse is that it's the owner's son, so clearly the accusations of nepotism are bound to materialise.
    I certainly take your point but it’s computer analytics he’s doing. Unless you don’t think this aspect of player assessment is at all useful which would be an outlier view in the game at present then who might be better qualified for this role ? Certainly not any of the possible managers being spoken about or probably anyone else currently at the club. No doubt scouting and personal knowledge are more important ? But the analysis of stats could highlight players that were not previously known or considered. We mustn’t be too blinkered in our approach. If it transpires that the analytics is the prime driver in recruitment then we might have reason to be concerned but I don’t think it is or ever will be. 
    Which is exactly what Driesen was doing 
    When analytics is additional input then it’s a helpful tool. Unfortunately for Charlton our then owner was also a tool.
  • matt88 said:
    TEL said:
    I’m not sure anyone mentioned so far will agree to work within the constraints of the current player recruitment set-up.
    Not sure if I heard right but during that hour long Exeter City interview, I'm sure he mentioned some bloke was responsible for the recruiting. Maybe it's more commonplace than we realise. 
    But it was probably someone that knew what they were doing, not someone that was a production and supply chain manager up until a year ago…
    It’s nothing to do with having a great depth of knowledge about football. It’s being able to look at the data that comes out of the programme and pass that on. I really don’t see why people think it’s a football expert that’s required.
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