i have put my hands up to not having an extensive knowledge of current players but anybody who thinks only inexperienced youth or past it players are the only thing available to us because we are in league 1 need to either stop splitting hairs or realise they aren't the experts they think they are
But that's not what anyone is saying!!!
Your taking a gamble who ever you sign. They will either be on the way up, or on the way down. They could be an Ajose they could be a Yann. They could be a Paul Williams, they could be a Stuart Fleetwood.
Totally agree, that's why I was surprised you were critical of Steve Gallen as you have explained, every signing is a gamble especially when on many occasions we are not getting our first choice but our 4th or 5th. Leaving it to the last day when you want a forward is always difficult and if the two obvious players don't leave: Gilbey and JFC, then yet again, will be struggling as Ben Garner won't have the players to suit his 4-3-3, If it's quid pro quo now for Thomas Sandgaard. Just like JJ didn't have the best players for his 3-5-2 which made his W6 L2 D2 from his first 10 matches amazing but the problem was he overachieved with our worse squad ever(not my words just saying what the echo chamber on CL said) and when we got to 11th from 22nd we didn't have the quality to go higher with no natural *wing backs to name just one position we were short in for a top 6 finish.
Ben Garner will feel frustrated when the window shuts as he realises the impact of having injury prone players and not getting the quality in to compete for 46 matches in the competitive but mediocre 3rd tier.
Peterborough are the kings of getting in forwards from the lower leagues over the last two decades.
*I said a year ago that Sean Clare would turn into an attacking right full back and pleased that Sean is happy to play that position now. He has pace and can go charging forward it was a no brainer for me once he didn't have to cover a CB role.
Our league position and achievements are put into perspective when it's proving hard to get rid of McG, JFC, Gilbey, DJ (borderline) who over the last season(s) have been core players in the starting 11.
Sam Smith looks decent 19 in 52 is not a bad return and at 24, has a few years before his prime.
Stockton is in his prime - or should be... Yet to score this season.
Alfie May is meant to be in his prime, is he injured this season?
Stockton has had 2 starts one bench appearance in a team that's scored just 3 league goals this season. Morecambe have had less shots than all but 2 teams this season too, so its not profligacy on his part.
If established is the only requirement, here are semi-realistic options from the top 20 League One scorers from last season (some are now in the Championship, some are midfielders etc):
- Alfie May - Cole Stockton - Matty Taylor - Ryan Hardie - Sam Smith - George Hirst (already on his way to the Championship apparently) - Jayden Stockley - Joe Ironside - Daniel Udoh - Mo Eisa - Macauley Bonne
Taylor, Hardie and Eisa all feel like a stretch and probably out of the question. Bonne, Smith and Ironside would appear to be the most "gettable" outside of the bloke who's already on our books.
How many fit the description of having pace and running in behind?
Daniel Udoh?
Daniel Udoh was 26 yesterday, 6ft tall, plays for Shrewsbury and hasn't scored in 5 League games this season. Best season was 11 goals in 35 matches. I had to check but mainly remember him for scoring a goal for the Shrews against Liverpool.
As we are beginning to realize it's not an exact science with strikers who are 26 and haven't done too much. Lyle Taylor had to try Scotland as his career was going no where in his mid 20's.
The reality must kick in soon with Charlton fans that we are League 1 and losing money and support who ever we can manage to bring in and support the players at least at the ground as they need to be built up not destroyed.
I'm not optimistic in this window as it shuts, as the brinkmanship kicks in big time with bids to unsettle and test the mettle of clubs with incomings and outgoings.
Our league position and achievements are put into perspective when it's proving hard to get rid of McG, JFC, Gilbey, DJ (borderline) who over the last season(s) have been core players in the starting 11.
Its also partly due to the massive gap in league 1.
There aren't many "average" sized clubs anymore. Which are the sort of clubs, especially Gilbey and MacGillivray, would historically be looking at.
I think it’s good we’re looking to move DJ on. If he, JFC and Gilbey all go, that’s a lot of the remnants of the last two seasons finally gone. I think that’s a good thing personally.
Like many have said, I don’t think Stockton or May fit model we go for, young (ish), stock on the rise, potential sell on etc.
Sam Smith however, does. From TS’s POV.
Forget the model, in our league one seasons our best attackers have all been older players who we have caught in their prime, Yann, Taylor & Holmes the standouts. This sell on policy isn’t exactly going so well so far for him. Build a strong team and then worry about finding gems is how I see it.
Rich Cawley at 8.30 tomorrow night after we announce the sale of Miles Leaburn to Palace for 750k
That's not funny that's a nightmare, especially if it includes our Tracey getting the Palace players liaison position and Carl being head of security on match days. A family package deal 🤦🏻♂️
Like many have said, I don’t think Stockton or May fit model we go for, young (ish), stock on the rise, potential sell on etc.
Sam Smith however, does. From TS’s POV.
Forget the model, in our league one seasons our best attackers have all been older players who we have caught in their prime, Yann, Taylor & Holmes the standouts. This sell on policy isn’t exactly going so well so far for him. Build a strong team and then worry about finding gems is how I see it.
I’m not advocating for or against the model.
As for the point you make it’s a decent one, although I’d say that you will have to be extremely lucky or pay a lot to obtain one of those you mention.
Scully at Lincoln - would he fit the description? One year left on his contract.
Daniel Udoh at Shrews?
Seem to be the L1 runners and riders from posters on here then..
A surprisingly useful summary for the general mess that is the rumours thread. Now could you do another one re the posters, who are arguing with whom, what there issues are etc etc.
Our league position and achievements are put into perspective when it's proving hard to get rid of McG, JFC, Gilbey, DJ (borderline) who over the last season(s) have been core players in the starting 11.
DJ going on loan makes sense as I don't think his contract expires at the end of the season. He's not consistent enough and has competition from someone on loan who will probably rule him out as a starter, so let him go elsewhere to find his mojo, as Kirk did, and we'll take a view on him next summer.
It'll be hard to shift JFC. Can you imagine if we took a punt on a player who'd been injured for two years, Souare springs to mind. He'll also have a wage expectation unlikely to be matched, as will Gilbey and Craig McG, both of whom are no better than average L1 on the basis of what they've shown for us. For them, I imagine most options will represent a step down and financially it might make more sense for them to stay put. We're probably asking for a fee for them too.
As we keep being told, it's hard to get everything aligned with all parties in agreement for player transfers to happen, especially those still under contract.
DJ has just never got going in our team, he seems an obvious option to move on when the other 3 competition are all better than him at at least one aspect of his game - Kirk at deliveries into the box, JRS getting past his man and generally being a threat, CBT pace. Add Leaburn and Payne if we were short of options, he seems to be towards the back of a long line.
Mentions Gilbey, JFC and CM could all still go too.
Can see the sense in DJ out and a striker who can play wide coming in.
We already have enough players who can play wide in the squad
Kirk, JRS, CBT plus Leaburn and Payne who have played there this season already.
I agree, I want someone who’s firstly a striker rather than a winger who can play up front.
However given we want one with pace it’s likely have some ability to play wide too. It makes more sense than a pure poacher or another target man.
Another interesting thing about Sam Smith is he’s left footed. He could give both Stockley and JRS competition. Our left winger in Kirk or CBT is then more of a creator, with the main goal threats coming from the striker and right winger.
Like many have said, I don’t think Stockton or May fit model we go for, young (ish), stock on the rise, potential sell on etc.
Sam Smith however, does. From TS’s POV.
Forget the model, in our league one seasons our best attackers have all been older players who we have caught in their prime, Yann, Taylor & Holmes the standouts. This sell on policy isn’t exactly going so well so far for him. Build a strong team and then worry about finding gems is how I see it.
And while it sounds great, buying young hungry players that you can improve and potentially sell on at a fat profit if they leave, there's no guarantee that this "Peterborough or Brentford" style approach works anyway,
DJ I'm sure is worth less than what we paid for him, for example.
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Can see the sense in DJ out and a striker who can play wide coming in.
Totally agree, that's why I was surprised you were critical of Steve Gallen as you have explained, every signing is a gamble especially when on many occasions we are not getting our first choice but our 4th or 5th. Leaving it to the last day when you want a forward is always difficult and if the two obvious players don't leave: Gilbey and JFC, then yet again, will be struggling as Ben Garner won't have the players to suit his 4-3-3, If it's quid pro quo now for Thomas Sandgaard.
Just like JJ didn't have the best players for his 3-5-2 which made his W6 L2 D2 from his first 10 matches amazing but the problem was he overachieved with our worse squad ever(not my words just saying what the echo chamber on CL said) and when we got to 11th from 22nd we didn't have the quality to go higher with no natural *wing backs to name just one position we were short in for a top 6 finish.
Ben Garner will feel frustrated when the window shuts as he realises the impact of having injury prone players and not getting the quality in to compete for 46 matches in the competitive but mediocre 3rd tier.
Peterborough are the kings of getting in forwards from the lower leagues over the last two decades.
*I said a year ago that Sean Clare would turn into an attacking right full back and pleased that Sean is happy to play that position now. He has pace and can go charging forward it was a no brainer for me once he didn't have to cover a CB role.
Stockton is in his prime - or should be... Yet to score this season.
Alfie May is meant to be in his prime, is he injured this season?
Sam Smith however, does. From TS’s POV.
Daniel Udoh was 26 yesterday, 6ft tall, plays for Shrewsbury and hasn't scored in 5 League games this season. Best season was 11 goals in 35 matches. I had to check but mainly remember him for scoring a goal for the Shrews against Liverpool.
As we are beginning to realize it's not an exact science with strikers who are 26 and haven't done too much. Lyle Taylor had to try Scotland as his career was going no where in his mid 20's.
The reality must kick in soon with Charlton fans that we are League 1 and losing money and support who ever we can manage to bring in and support the players at least at the ground as they need to be built up not destroyed.
I'm not optimistic in this window as it shuts, as the brinkmanship kicks in big time with bids to unsettle and test the mettle of clubs with incomings and outgoings.
There aren't many "average" sized clubs anymore. Which are the sort of clubs, especially Gilbey and MacGillivray, would historically be looking at.
Kirk, JRS, CBT plus Leaburn and Payne who have played there this season already.
That's not funny that's a nightmare, especially if it includes our Tracey getting the Palace players liaison position and Carl being head of security on match days.
A family package deal 🤦🏻♂️
STOP this talk Sam 3110.
As for the point you make it’s a decent one, although I’d say that you will have to be extremely lucky or pay a lot to obtain one of those you mention.
It'll be hard to shift JFC. Can you imagine if we took a punt on a player who'd been injured for two years, Souare springs to mind. He'll also have a wage expectation unlikely to be matched, as will Gilbey and Craig McG, both of whom are no better than average L1 on the basis of what they've shown for us. For them, I imagine most options will represent a step down and financially it might make more sense for them to stay put. We're probably asking for a fee for them too.
As we keep being told, it's hard to get everything aligned with all parties in agreement for player transfers to happen, especially those still under contract.
Thanks.
Can't believe this bloke basically started basically every game (when fit) for us for two years. No wonder we never had a midfield.
Add Leaburn and Payne if we were short of options, he seems to be towards the back of a long line.
However given we want one with pace it’s likely have some ability to play wide too. It makes more sense than a pure poacher or another target man.
Another interesting thing about Sam Smith is he’s left footed. He could give both Stockley and JRS competition. Our left winger in Kirk or CBT is then more of a creator, with the main goal threats coming from the striker and right winger.
DJ I'm sure is worth less than what we paid for him, for example.