Almost all the players we have had in the last 2 years, to me come under the definition of;
"You won't get promoted if x is your y, but x being your y doesn't mean you can't get promoted".
I think if you look at Bowyer's squad, and to a lesser extent Powell's, Curbs play off team as well, you probably had 10ish players like that. If not more.
They all had "not good enough for a promotion team" players as well.
What we really lack is players that "if you have him in the side you have a chance". We need 5 of them. Until we get them we are going no where.
I said at the end of the 20/21 season we need to replace out 5 worst with 5 "best" players. I don't think we have 5 "worst" any more, but I don't think we have 5 "best" either.
We didn't know who our best 5 were after the first game in 11/12 or 18/19, the question is more do we potentially have those players. We probably don't but we know we're after two or three more signings.
Indeed but, ingoring the keeper, most of the team on Saturday were here last season.
It could be as simple as 2 or 3 more quality players, a cheeky loan or two in January and a youth player, or two, push on. That's probably an accurate like for like to 18/19.
Almost all the players we have had in the last 2 years, to me come under the definition of;
"You won't get promoted if x is your y, but x being your y doesn't mean you can't get promoted".
I think if you look at Bowyer's squad, and to a lesser extent Powell's, Curbs play off team as well, you probably had 10ish players like that. If not more.
They all had "not good enough for a promotion team" players as well.
What we really lack is players that "if you have him in the side you have a chance". We need 5 of them. Until we get them we are going no where.
I said at the end of the 20/21 season we need to replace out 5 worst with 5 "best" players. I don't think we have 5 "worst" any more, but I don't think we have 5 "best" either.
It's not scientific, but I don't look at our squad and think "wow that's a cracking signing" or "how did you get him to join/stay at a L1 club". Decent players yes, but none that really stand out. Especially when we are starting from a lower base than Bowyer did in the summer of 2018.
I suspect that most outsiders feel that way too, judging that the pundits and bookies all seem to be tipping us for mid table mediocrity at the moment.
Almost all the players we have had in the last 2 years, to me come under the definition of;
"You won't get promoted if x is your y, but x being your y doesn't mean you can't get promoted".
I think if you look at Bowyer's squad, and to a lesser extent Powell's, Curbs play off team as well, you probably had 10ish players like that. If not more.
They all had "not good enough for a promotion team" players as well.
What we really lack is players that "if you have him in the side you have a chance". We need 5 of them. Until we get them we are going no where.
I said at the end of the 20/21 season we need to replace out 5 worst with 5 "best" players. I don't think we have 5 "worst" any more, but I don't think we have 5 "best" either.
It's not scientific, but I don't look at our squad and think "wow that's a cracking signing" or "how did you get him to join/stay at a L1 club". Decent players yes, but none that really stand out. Especially when we are starting from a lower base than Bowyer did in the summer of 2018.
I suspect that most outsiders feel that way too, judging that the pundits and bookies all seem to be tipping us for mid table mediocrity at the moment.
I think the 18/19 squad is such a hard one to bench mark to. It was 1 or 2 squad players short of getting autos. That 1st eleven would have given Powell's team a run for their money.
The 17/18 and 20/21 squads are much more similar to where we are at now. Personally I think they were both marginally better. Ironically I think the 20/21 was the better of the two.
We do need to sign a few more, but the negativity is so boring.
Why does an alternative view have to be classed as negative and boring.
This is a message board and multiple people have multiple views
I would argue that those of us who aren’t convinced need to see it to believe it as well. Hopefully that will come over time, but unless we’re hearing about real quality players coming to us, which of course is unlikely, then as much as we want/hope the new players to do well, it’s hard to get excited.
If people are negative then I can understand it to be honest
They're worried if they don't tie him down before he comes and plays for us, his head will be turned by the (slightly more) normal looking fans in the stands, and the fact he's not having to play in a Sainsbury's car park every other week. Plus we're still the only club in SE London to win the FA Cup, and are therefore still the only relevant team in SE London
Very true. I know this response was sent in jest, but some things should be not be joked about. Imagine being a 19 year-old lad having to ply your trade in front of 1000's of the worst deviants imaginable - he must feel like Jodie Foster visiting Hannibal Lecter in that maximum security prison.
Almost all the players we have had in the last 2 years, to me come under the definition of;
"You won't get promoted if x is your y, but x being your y doesn't mean you can't get promoted".
I think if you look at Bowyer's squad, and to a lesser extent Powell's, Curbs play off team as well, you probably had 10ish players like that. If not more.
They all had "not good enough for a promotion team" players as well.
What we really lack is players that "if you have him in the side you have a chance". We need 5 of them. Until we get them we are going no where.
I said at the end of the 20/21 season we need to replace out 5 worst with 5 "best" players. I don't think we have 5 "worst" any more, but I don't think we have 5 "best" either.
It's not scientific, but I don't look at our squad and think "wow that's a cracking signing" or "how did you get him to join/stay at a L1 club". Decent players yes, but none that really stand out. Especially when we are starting from a lower base than Bowyer did in the summer of 2018.
I suspect that most outsiders feel that way too, judging that the pundits and bookies all seem to be tipping us for mid table mediocrity at the moment.
I think the 18/19 squad is such a hard one to bench mark to. It was 1 or 2 squad players short of getting autos. That 1st eleven would have given Powell's team a run for their money.
The 17/18 and 20/21 squads are much more similar to where we are at now. Personally I think they were both marginally better. Ironically I think the 20/21 was the better of the two.
The 18/19 squad had Taylor & Grant and although Grant left half way through the season Taylor still had enough about himself to carry the threat upfront alone (as Parker was a non-entity)
Stockley is not in his class. Aneke will be here all season but play less game time than grant did.
Surprisingly, as Golfie is my fucking hero, I am optimistic about this season. Do I expect the team to beat that out of me pretty sharpish? Well yes. Are these new pills fucking with my head? What pills?
Almost all the players we have had in the last 2 years, to me come under the definition of;
"You won't get promoted if x is your y, but x being your y doesn't mean you can't get promoted".
I think if you look at Bowyer's squad, and to a lesser extent Powell's, Curbs play off team as well, you probably had 10ish players like that. If not more.
They all had "not good enough for a promotion team" players as well.
What we really lack is players that "if you have him in the side you have a chance". We need 5 of them. Until we get them we are going no where.
I said at the end of the 20/21 season we need to replace out 5 worst with 5 "best" players. I don't think we have 5 "worst" any more, but I don't think we have 5 "best" either.
It's not scientific, but I don't look at our squad and think "wow that's a cracking signing" or "how did you get him to join/stay at a L1 club". Decent players yes, but none that really stand out. Especially when we are starting from a lower base than Bowyer did in the summer of 2018.
I suspect that most outsiders feel that way too, judging that the pundits and bookies all seem to be tipping us for mid table mediocrity at the moment.
We're in much better shape than we were this time last season and the bookies tipped us for the playoffs so what do they know.
Obviously bookies would always start with the premise that a club will end up roughly where they were the previous season unless they improve their squad, or the squad gets weaker. Our squad is possibly a little stronger, but not enough to make the bookies think we’ll be top six. Not yet at least.
Regarding Kirk, it's concerning to me that Champo clubs are consistently rumored to be interested in him (obviously Blackpool were interested in him). He didn't fit the system under Adkins in part due to a lack of attacking overlapping LB. He couldn't make the adjustment to playing as a 10. He clearly didn't fit into Jacko's system. He didn't start our first game of the season and when he came on he didn't make an impact.
I know sometimes things don't work out with a player, but he's had three different managers and three different systems. Obviously, we're one game into the Garner Era but you'd think a player with interest from the Championship would be first choice easily, especially given that don't have the most quality or depth out wide. I guess he's up against CBT who was also rumored to have Championship interest.
I don't know, it feels like we're doing something wrong with him. Or our scouting department and other teams' scouting departments see something that isn't there.
we were linked to him at the end of last season until he signed on with Bristol again. If I remember rightly, their fans were pretty pleased about it too.
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It could be as simple as 2 or 3 more quality players, a cheeky loan or two in January and a youth player, or two, push on. That's probably an accurate like for like to 18/19.
We're in much better shape than we were this time last season and the bookies tipped us for the playoffs so what do they know.
The 17/18 and 20/21 squads are much more similar to where we are at now. Personally I think they were both marginally better. Ironically I think the 20/21 was the better of the two.
https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/reading-fc-paul-ince-transfer-24637681
Stockley is not in his class. Aneke will be here all season but play less game time than grant did.
https://www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2022/june/trevor-clarke-extends-rovers-stay/
Also got injured on his debuts with both Rotherham & BR. Then got a red card for head butting an opponent on his return from injury.
Sounds just like our type of player.
Oh....and he's 5ft 5.
Never heard of him but yeah he's not played more than 9 league games in a season over the last 3 seasons.
I know sometimes things don't work out with a player, but he's had three different managers and three different systems. Obviously, we're one game into the Garner Era but you'd think a player with interest from the Championship would be first choice easily, especially given that don't have the most quality or depth out wide. I guess he's up against CBT who was also rumored to have Championship interest.
I don't know, it feels like we're doing something wrong with him. Or our scouting department and other teams' scouting departments see something that isn't there.
we heard u all the first time, so why repeat 30 + times