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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,597
    LonelyNorthernAddick said:
    mendonca said:
    Has he been training with anybody pre-season?
    Hadn't he been in Swindon's pre-season? Seem to remember people spotting him in their photos/videos 
    Wasnt that Louis Reed who we were linked with too
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,741
    Have never seen him play but the gaffer obviously knows and likes him
  • ButtleJR
    ButtleJR Posts: 1,587
    Very technical, can pick a pass and can score goals. Think he will massively help Stockley. Surely spells the end for JFC. 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,482
    mendonca said:
    Has he been training with anybody pre-season?
    Probably not. So we won't see him till November/December where he will get injured during the busy Christmas period because we rushed him through and will be out for most of the season until reappearing for the last day of the season in a mid table borefest.


    Who said Charlton athletic and this exasperating heat make me grumpy?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,919
    wmcf123 said:
    cafcsinger said:
    A mate of mind is a big Southend fan where Payne came through, and has followed his career fairly closely since he left them.
    'Good player but teams always find it difficult to slot him in the side, potential to be a bit of a luxury player but use him correctly and he'll do well for you' 
    Poor man’s Oztumer. 

    How does one fit him and Fraser into the same team ?
    Looking at the Swindon formation for a couple of their end of season games, according to the BBC he was on the right of the midfield 3 with Reed in the centre (doing the defensive work) and Jonny on the left. Which explains why they weren't that great defensively I guess!

    The equivalent for us would be Payne, Dobson and Fraser


  • Stewart
    Stewart Posts: 2,452
    What a day to have a fitness test. 
  • CafcWest
    CafcWest Posts: 6,176
    SoundAsa£ said:
    CafcWest said:
    So many people saying Davison out on loan or let go.  But it seems clear to me that Garner thinks he can improve him and must see something from his loan at Swindon last season.  He is obviously a work in progress and not the first name on the team sheet but really can't see him going anywhere.
    Ok there’s a small outside chance of that being the case…..but I think you’re wrong CW.
    I actually hope I'm wrong @SoundAsa£ as I think he'd benefit from another loan...it's just that Garner worked with him last season that makes me wonder... hope I'm wrong!
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,701
    killerandflash said:
    wmcf123 said:
    cafcsinger said:
    A mate of mind is a big Southend fan where Payne came through, and has followed his career fairly closely since he left them.
    'Good player but teams always find it difficult to slot him in the side, potential to be a bit of a luxury player but use him correctly and he'll do well for you' 
    Poor man’s Oztumer. 

    How does one fit him and Fraser into the same team ?
    Looking at the Swindon formation for a couple of their end of season games, according to the BBC he was on the right of the midfield 3 with Reed in the centre (doing the defensive work) and Jonny on the left. Which explains why they weren't that great defensively I guess!

    The equivalent for us would be Payne, Dobson and Fraser


    Their No9 was useful apparently...😉
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,232
    edited July 2022
    killerandflash said:
    After Saturday, I'd really like a LB to be the next signing.

    Neither Sessegnon nor Clayden to me are the answer, especially if playing behind a right footer like Kirk who cuts inside.

    Ben Purrington has moved on and overall had a decent time with cafc with highs and some lows; steady Eddie.

    The incoming LB needs to be an upgrade on BP.
    We need a natural Left footer who can also use his right foot at least to pass if not to shoot.
    He needs to have pace and the ability to overlap and cross the ball from an advanced position. These are basic requirements of an LB* in the modern game if you are a pro active attack minded team. Why are we having the same conversations now that we did 12 months ago ?

    It's so patently clear to me, killer and surely others that to have two players playing on the left who's main trick is to cut in on their right foot won't work too often unless the other teams defence are thick and don't  have analysis. 

    That why CBT is so important as he can play on either flank and can go inside or outside. 

    * One of the great attacking full backs when fit at Cafc over the last 10 years Rhoys Wiggins, was told to hold his position unless we were already well ahead by big Bob Peeters!
  • supaclive
    supaclive Posts: 6,516
    So, if Garner is correct and he would like 2 or 3 more before the window closes and hopefully before the season starts and we, if Payne comes are probably going to sell JFC (and I think Davison as well), is there anybody who genuinely thinks our squad is strong enough to be challenging for Top 6?

    I don't think Garner is saying 2 or 3 more on the basis we are going to sign 7.... we are going to sign 2 or 3 more and lose 2.....

    I want to be positive.   The sun is shining, the new season is upon us, but we are SO undercooked and lack squad depth it's worrying.

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  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,281
    Should be entering his prime, scores goals from midfield, very agile. Williams said last season Payne really should be playing above League Two level. Scored goals for a Bradford side who got relegated from League One before. In a better team you would hope he would score goals from midfield for us too.
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Stewart said:
    What a day to have a fitness test. 
    Will be in the gym with the AC on.  
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,741
    Is this our 3rd signing from last season's Swindon side?
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,426
  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    eaststandmike said:
    Stewart said:
    What a day to have a fitness test. 
    Will be in the gym with the AC on.  
    TS has banned the use of AC he is skint this month.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,232
    Good that Richard Cawley is back in the know and Sage wins the messenger award so the likes won't be stripped from him.

    The great unknown is how players dovetail but at least it seems we have another Payne in the window so now on to the LB issue B)
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    soapboxsam said:
    Good that Richard Cawley is back in the know and Sage wins the messenger award so the likes won't be stripped from him.

    The great unknown is how players dovetail but at least it seems we have another Payne in the window so now on to the LB issue B)
    I don't think we will sign a left back.
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,361
    edited July 2022
    Where do u get the Cawley not in the know thing?  trust me he is... :)
  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    Cafc43v3r said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Good that Richard Cawley is back in the know and Sage wins the messenger award so the likes won't be stripped from him.

    The great unknown is how players dovetail but at least it seems we have another Payne in the window so now on to the LB issue B)
    I don't think we will sign a left back.
    Why not?, we don’t have a left footed left back.
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,215
    Cafc43v3r said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Good that Richard Cawley is back in the know and Sage wins the messenger award so the likes won't be stripped from him.

    The great unknown is how players dovetail but at least it seems we have another Payne in the window so now on to the LB issue B)
    I don't think we will sign a left back.
    I think we will but it’ll be a loan.

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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    BR7_addick said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Good that Richard Cawley is back in the know and Sage wins the messenger award so the likes won't be stripped from him.

    The great unknown is how players dovetail but at least it seems we have another Payne in the window so now on to the LB issue B)
    I don't think we will sign a left back.
    I think we will but it’ll be a loan.
    2 left backs on loan, would be unique.

    I think we need one but don't think we will get one.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,426
    Cafc43v3r said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Good that Richard Cawley is back in the know and Sage wins the messenger award so the likes won't be stripped from him.

    The great unknown is how players dovetail but at least it seems we have another Payne in the window so now on to the LB issue B)
    I don't think we will sign a left back.
    I’m thinking that way more now, a striker and/or winger seems more likely given the options we currently have.

    I thought SS was meant to be two footed, I don’t think we’ve seen enough of him in preseason to show he can’t be effective on the left.

    It also seems the club have faith in Clayden, I don’t think we should write him off. It’s a gamble but a second choice LB doesn’t have to be a top L1 player for us to do well.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,993
    Croydon said:
    Is this our 3rd signing from last season's Swindon side?
    Yes mate, Wollacot and Egbo being the two others.
  • Pavoren007
    Pavoren007 Posts: 2,530
    Looks like Garner is going for higher tempo/energy midfielders and if so we can probably only afford to carry one ‘slower paced’ player = Fraser. This would mean the end for JFC which would be a bit gutting but that said, we also have his injury record to worry about, so maybe best all round.

  • Oh Eddie Youds...
    Oh Eddie Youds... Posts: 1,320
    eastterrace6168 said:
    Oh Eddie Youds... said:
    1. Striker who can play wide (McKirdy)
    2. Left back who can cover CB
    3. Attacking midfielder that can score (Payne)

    Easy...like shopping at Sainsbury's... B)
    Yep, couldn’t be easier mate. Point 3 is done. Two more easy signings & we’re top 6 material.

    Piece of piss football management.
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,361
    wmcf123 said:
    cafcsinger said:
    A mate of mind is a big Southend fan where Payne came through, and has followed his career fairly closely since he left them.
    'Good player but teams always find it difficult to slot him in the side, potential to be a bit of a luxury player but use him correctly and he'll do well for you' 
    Poor man’s Oztumer. 

    How does one fit him and Fraser into the same team ?
    Seen lots of him then? Please enlighten us...
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,919
    Scoham said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Good that Richard Cawley is back in the know and Sage wins the messenger award so the likes won't be stripped from him.

    The great unknown is how players dovetail but at least it seems we have another Payne in the window so now on to the LB issue B)
    I don't think we will sign a left back.
    I’m thinking that way more now, a striker and/or winger seems more likely given the options we currently have.

    I thought SS was meant to be two footed, I don’t think we’ve seen enough of him in preseason to show he can’t be effective on the left.

    It also seems the club have faith in Clayden, I don’t think we should write him off. It’s a gamble but a second choice LB doesn’t have to be a top L1 player for us to do well.
    I wasn't impressed with SS on Saturday as a left back, and interesting that he was substituted at HT rather than at 75 minutes, our only change at HT. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    killerandflash said:
    Scoham said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Good that Richard Cawley is back in the know and Sage wins the messenger award so the likes won't be stripped from him.

    The great unknown is how players dovetail but at least it seems we have another Payne in the window so now on to the LB issue B)
    I don't think we will sign a left back.
    I’m thinking that way more now, a striker and/or winger seems more likely given the options we currently have.

    I thought SS was meant to be two footed, I don’t think we’ve seen enough of him in preseason to show he can’t be effective on the left.

    It also seems the club have faith in Clayden, I don’t think we should write him off. It’s a gamble but a second choice LB doesn’t have to be a top L1 player for us to do well.
    I wasn't impressed with SS on Saturday as a left back, and interesting that he was substituted at HT rather than at 75 minutes, our only change at HT. 
    He is behind on "minutes" isn't he?
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,500
    killerandflash said:
    Scoham said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Good that Richard Cawley is back in the know and Sage wins the messenger award so the likes won't be stripped from him.

    The great unknown is how players dovetail but at least it seems we have another Payne in the window so now on to the LB issue B)
    I don't think we will sign a left back.
    I’m thinking that way more now, a striker and/or winger seems more likely given the options we currently have.

    I thought SS was meant to be two footed, I don’t think we’ve seen enough of him in preseason to show he can’t be effective on the left.

    It also seems the club have faith in Clayden, I don’t think we should write him off. It’s a gamble but a second choice LB doesn’t have to be a top L1 player for us to do well.
    I wasn't impressed with SS on Saturday as a left back, and interesting that he was substituted at HT rather than at 75 minutes, our only change at HT. 
    I don't think that was performance related though I agree there were times he was way out of position. 
  • Bostonaddick
    Bostonaddick Posts: 821
    Like this signing if it happens. Now we have two midfielders in Fraser and Payne who can chip in and score which we didn’t have with Albie/Gilbey.   Neither Fraser or Payne are known for their defense so we probably see McGrandles starting at times against the better squads in the league since he is more combative. I hope we don’t move JFC because he would be good cover for Dobson if he were to be injured.  I know jfc probably has more market interest than Gilbey/Albie but selling him would put a lot of pressure on Dobson.  Now we need a goal scoring wide forward (prem loan or Mckirdy?) as much as I would like to upgrade on Innis as starting cb or Clayden/Davison as reserves, my guess is that this less of a priority and may not happen

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