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  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC Posts: 3,219
    I don’t think he has it in him for the Nathan Jones effect to work on him.

    another one of our under achievers in recent years and quite possibly the biggest under achiever of them all given we paid a sizeable fee for him as well. 
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,230
    Did he manage to find a decorator?
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    cafcdave123 said:
    Blucher said:
    He managed 23 mins off the bench for Hearts yesterday.

    We'll never get Fraser off the payroll unless we do a deal whereby we make up a proportion of the substantial shortfall in wages during the last year of his exorbitant contract should he manage to get a gig north of the border. It clearly won't be with Hearts, who appear to have taken little time to rumble him.
    Even that was because hearts were 4-2 up and have Rangers next week in the Scottish cup Semi final, he won’t get near the pitch at Hamden
    Unused sub as hearts lose 2-0 to rangers setting up an old firm final
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,766
    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/exclusive-scott-frasers-chances-of-signing-for-hearts-what-happens-next-at-charlton-why-he-has-struggled-4619120
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Scottie seems Premier league level for explaining why nobody ever gets to see the best of him.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,954
    He'd be great if it wasn't for injuries/Covid/being played on the wing/being played in the wrong bit of central midfield/being asked to work hard*

    *delete as appropriate.
  • Killarahales
    Killarahales Posts: 1,057
    Sounds like a free transfer to Hearts is on the cards (or another loan)
  • grumpyaddick
    grumpyaddick Posts: 6,596

    What is the official psychiatric term for someone with a hugely over inflated perception of their own worth? 
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    grumpyaddick said:

    What is the official psychiatric term for someone with a hugely over inflated perception of their own worth? 
    God complex
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  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 990
    On the plus side, it explains why he hasn't been featuring more for Hearts. Perhaps in last 3 games he can give them a reason to take him on a free. 3rd in Scotland must mean European money?
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    edited May 2024
    He picked up an injury in the first game, was out for six weeks, then came back and looked significantly worse than he did last season where he had nine goals and five assists in 42 league games. In this article he outlines that he's never felt the same since he hurt his calf, and that's hindered the second half of the season, if not the whole season. 

    What are we giving him shit for exactly? This is normal football stuff. You can think Fraser is not good enough or a luxury player, but sometimes it feels like we have to make the shit players out to be shitty people as well. 
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    grumpyaddick said:

    What is the official psychiatric term for someone with a hugely over inflated perception of their own worth? 
    In this case it would be the Dunning-Kruger effect.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    Whatever happens if we want him off the books we are going to have to sweeten it in Fraser’s favour for the remaining year of his contract.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,728
    edited May 2024
    SDAddick said:
    He picked up an injury in the first game, was out for six weeks, then came back and looked significantly worse than he did last season where he had nine goals and five assists in 42 league games. In this article he outlines that he's never felt the same since he hurt his calf, and that's hindered the second half of the season, if not the whole season. 

    What are we giving him shit for exactly? This is normal football stuff. You can think Fraser is not good enough or a luxury player, but sometimes it feels like we have to make the shit players out to be shitty people as well. 
    Nah tbf he is a prick by all accounts. An overly arrogant waste of wages
  • Davynix
    Davynix Posts: 50
    grumpyaddick said:

    What is the official psychiatric term for someone with a hugely over inflated perception of their own worth? 
    Gary Neville?
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    grumpyaddick said:

    What is the official psychiatric term for someone with a hugely over inflated perception of their own worth? 
    Frazer, translated to Navajo is Running Mouth 🪓  🏹  🐎 
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,485
    Gribbo said:
    grumpyaddick said:

    What is the official psychiatric term for someone with a hugely over inflated perception of their own worth? 
    Frazer, translated to Navajo is Running Mouth 🪓  🏹  🐎 
    Scott, roughly translated is Talking Bollox 🪓 🏹 🐎
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,741
    grumpyaddick said:

    What is the official psychiatric term for someone with a hugely over inflated perception of their own worth? 
    Grumpyaddick
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Interesting quotes from Jones on Fraser. Doesn’t sound like he “wants to have a look” as suggested by some, more like he’s still here because we haven’t been able to move him on yet.

    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sport/nathan-jones-on-scott-frasers-future-with-the-midfielder-back-at-charlton-athletic-following-loan-move-to-hearts/
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  • DyerConsequences
    DyerConsequences Posts: 2,626
    Once Docherty and Anderson are available I'd be surprised if we see much more of him.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349

    Never forget
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Thought he was pretty average yesterday.

    fairly sure he doesn’t want to be here but nobody else wants him so he’s sticking around for the money which he won’t get anywhere else 
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,262
    cafcfan said:
    grumpyaddick said:

    What is the official psychiatric term for someone with a hugely over inflated perception of their own worth? 
    In this case it would be the Dunning-Kruger effect.
    Thanks @cafcfan. Very useful.
    D-K effect: The phenomenon of people who are unskilled in a certain area and overestimate their ability in relation to it, owing to their systematic error in judging performance of themselves and others in that area. I like it, and probably suffer from it in some ways and at some times!
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    The Scott Fraser that ran the show in Milton Keynes victory at the Valley we have only seen in glimpses but the Scott Fraser that was anonymous in the return when he was closely marked and knocked off the ball is the one who we have seen the most.
    I/ we expected so much more of him but yet again there was a reason he hadn't played at a higher level.
    Obvious that Nathan doesn't see a future for Fraser at CAFC.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    soapboxsam said:
    The Scott Fraser that ran the show in Milton Keynes victory at the Valley we have only seen in glimpses but the Scott Fraser that was anonymous in the return when he was closely marked and knocked off the ball is the one who we have seen the most.
    I/ we expected so much more of him but yet again there was a reason he hadn't played at a higher level.
    Obvious that Nathan doesn't see a future for Fraser at CAFC.
    A right footed Fraser is tier 6 at best .  He gets away with looking classy but doing nothing 
  • CafcWest
    CafcWest Posts: 6,170
    soapboxsam said:
    The Scott Fraser that ran the show in Milton Keynes victory at the Valley we have only seen in glimpses but the Scott Fraser that was anonymous in the return when he was closely marked and knocked off the ball is the one who we have seen the most.
    I/ we expected so much more of him but yet again there was a reason he hadn't played at a higher level.
    Obvious that Nathan doesn't see a future for Fraser at CAFC.
    I actually think that early on in his Charlton "career" he was pretty good and, for a while, our most creative player.  When he got injured and was out for (I think) 10 weeks - he came back a different player - seemed slower and less interested.  He also wants to back home...so no future - but while he is still here on, alledgedly, high wages then there might be occasions when he could play a part. (I'm glad the flag button has gone....).
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    See what happens (again) when you scout players because they ripped our spineless team to shreds...'on their own'!


  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 990
    grumpyaddick said:

    What is the official psychiatric term for someone with a hugely over inflated perception of their own worth? 
    Boris Johnson
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,850
    CafcWest said:
    soapboxsam said:
    The Scott Fraser that ran the show in Milton Keynes victory at the Valley we have only seen in glimpses but the Scott Fraser that was anonymous in the return when he was closely marked and knocked off the ball is the one who we have seen the most.
    I/ we expected so much more of him but yet again there was a reason he hadn't played at a higher level.
    Obvious that Nathan doesn't see a future for Fraser at CAFC.
    I actually think that early on in his Charlton "career" he was pretty good and, for a while, our most creative player.  When he got injured and was out for (I think) 10 weeks - he came back a different player - seemed slower and less interested.  He also wants to back home...so no future - but while he is still here on, alledgedly, high wages then there might be occasions when he could play a part. (I'm glad the flag button has gone....).
    Doing what - putting out the cones in training?

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