Daniel Kanu - season long loan to Walsall (p21)

jose

In terms of profligacy coming through Daniel Kanu and Patrick Casey are similar, yet in terms of playing style they’re quite different.
Daniel is closing in on the plateau at the top of the cliff face, Patrick is still donning his harness, helmet and carabiners.

AllHailTheHen

Leave Kanu where he is. Ive got £20 on him being League 2 top scorer at 50/1 ffs

meldrew66

DK is 12/1 with bet365 to be top goal scorer in L2. EW at 1/4 = 3/1 for first 4 places. Looks good value atm

Addick Addict

meldrew66 said:

DK is 12/1 with bet365 to be top goal scorer in L2. EW at 1/4 = 3/1 for first 4 places. Looks good value atm

Now is probably not the time to have a bet on him simply because of the uncertainty. I pointed out when he went there that he was EW value at 50/1 but there was, at that time, an element of value because it was unlikely that he would be recalled as we wouldn't be able to send out on loan elsewhere in January. I hadn't envisaged that both Kelman and Godden would be out injured simultaneously with the latter not playing a minute pre the January window,   

The other thing is that you are only getting 3/1 for the first 4 places if he is the top scorer. For a £10 EW stake:

Top scorer - £130 win plus £40 place = £170 or 17/2 for an overall total stake of £20
2nd, 3rd or 4th = £40 place or even money for an overall total stake of £20 

What is really galling for me is that I have him, as well as individually, in an EW double with Keillor-Dunn who is joint top scorer in League 1, albeit there is a chance that someone might come in for him in January.

Scoham

meldrew66 said:

DK is 12/1 with bet365 to be top goal scorer in L2. EW at 1/4 = 3/1 for first 4 places. Looks good value atm

Glad I put £5 EW on that at 50/1 not long after he went there.

wmcf123

NabySarr said:

wmcf123 said:

NabySarr said:

Leaburn was better than Kanu in league 1. Maybe this spell has improved Kanu a lot but I doubt he’s now championship level. I guess confidence is good so it might make sense but I think we should be looking at signing a striker on loan rather than calling one back. Which then doesn’t block the pathway for Mbick and Kanu to come into the squad in the summer if they impress in pre-season 

The player I’d be considering calling back is Asiimwe. We are desperately short at wing back and he can play both sides 

The 2022-23 version of Leaburn was better , for sure .  Not sure that version still exists . 

He won league 1 player of the month a year ago. In league 1 whenever he was fit for an extended period and got a run of games, he was a good player. The championship is just a lot tougher 

Largely on the back of the one game against Wycombe - he wasn’t good last season .  I was encouraged by a couple of early cameos this year - looked like his balance and pace were back but he’s not done a lot, albeit without great service 

NabySarr

wmcf123 said:

NabySarr said:

wmcf123 said:

NabySarr said:

Leaburn was better than Kanu in league 1. Maybe this spell has improved Kanu a lot but I doubt he’s now championship level. I guess confidence is good so it might make sense but I think we should be looking at signing a striker on loan rather than calling one back. Which then doesn’t block the pathway for Mbick and Kanu to come into the squad in the summer if they impress in pre-season 

The player I’d be considering calling back is Asiimwe. We are desperately short at wing back and he can play both sides 

The 2022-23 version of Leaburn was better , for sure .  Not sure that version still exists . 

He won league 1 player of the month a year ago. In league 1 whenever he was fit for an extended period and got a run of games, he was a good player. The championship is just a lot tougher 

Largely on the back of the one game against Wycombe - he wasn’t good last season .  I was encouraged by a couple of early cameos this year - looked like his balance and pace were back but he’s not done a lot, albeit without great service 

Over 5 league games across December and January he scored 5 goals and got 2 assists. Godden then hit form after Leaburn had a couple of quiet games and then Godden obviously carried on doing very well so kept the starting spot. 

He obviously wasn’t good enough over the whole season, but the point still stands that when Leaburn is fit for a run of games and is on form, he’s a better player than Kanu from what we’ve seen from them in league 1 

Scoham

NabySarr said:

wmcf123 said:

NabySarr said:

wmcf123 said:

NabySarr said:

Leaburn was better than Kanu in league 1. Maybe this spell has improved Kanu a lot but I doubt he’s now championship level. I guess confidence is good so it might make sense but I think we should be looking at signing a striker on loan rather than calling one back. Which then doesn’t block the pathway for Mbick and Kanu to come into the squad in the summer if they impress in pre-season 

The player I’d be considering calling back is Asiimwe. We are desperately short at wing back and he can play both sides 

The 2022-23 version of Leaburn was better , for sure .  Not sure that version still exists . 

He won league 1 player of the month a year ago. In league 1 whenever he was fit for an extended period and got a run of games, he was a good player. The championship is just a lot tougher 

Largely on the back of the one game against Wycombe - he wasn’t good last season .  I was encouraged by a couple of early cameos this year - looked like his balance and pace were back but he’s not done a lot, albeit without great service 

Over 5 league games across December and January he scored 5 goals and got 2 assists. Godden then hit form after Leaburn had a couple of quiet games and then Godden obviously carried on doing very well so kept the starting spot. 

He obviously wasn’t good enough over the whole season, but the point still stands that when Leaburn is fit for a run of games and is on form, he’s a better player than Kanu from what we’ve seen from them in league 1 

Agree, though Kanu has probably closed the gap.

Crispywood

NabySarr said:

wmcf123 said:

NabySarr said:

wmcf123 said:

NabySarr said:

Leaburn was better than Kanu in league 1. Maybe this spell has improved Kanu a lot but I doubt he’s now championship level. I guess confidence is good so it might make sense but I think we should be looking at signing a striker on loan rather than calling one back. Which then doesn’t block the pathway for Mbick and Kanu to come into the squad in the summer if they impress in pre-season 

The player I’d be considering calling back is Asiimwe. We are desperately short at wing back and he can play both sides 

The 2022-23 version of Leaburn was better , for sure .  Not sure that version still exists . 

He won league 1 player of the month a year ago. In league 1 whenever he was fit for an extended period and got a run of games, he was a good player. The championship is just a lot tougher 

Largely on the back of the one game against Wycombe - he wasn’t good last season .  I was encouraged by a couple of early cameos this year - looked like his balance and pace were back but he’s not done a lot, albeit without great service 

Over 5 league games across December and January he scored 5 goals and got 2 assists. Godden then hit form after Leaburn had a couple of quiet games and then Godden obviously carried on doing very well so kept the starting spot. 

He obviously wasn’t good enough over the whole season, but the point still stands that when Leaburn is fit for a run of games and is on form, he’s a better player than Kanu from what we’ve seen from them in league 1 

Depends what you want in a striker, they could not be further opposites so just comes down to what kind of striker you need in your team and at present Kanu probably suits that better. Also Kanu when he has played for us has always been the supporting striker rather than the main man we could potentially see a different player completely if he was the main man in the attack. The problem is its one of those things you can speculate and you will never know until its tried. 

bolloxbolder

stoneroses19 said:

A full season where he is will be better long term for him and us. 

Just depends how long Godden and Kelman are out, if Jones feels he has to bring him back for remainder of season. 

Not if we go down and his goals might keep us up.

Covered End

bolloxbolder said:

stoneroses19 said:

A full season where he is will be better long term for him and us. 

Just depends how long Godden and Kelman are out, if Jones feels he has to bring him back for remainder of season. 

Not if we go down and his goals might keep us up.

Like Lyle Taylor situation, maybe one Kanu goal MIGHT keep us up.
Our fans have incredibly short memories.

WillmoreTheRed

Spoke to his family the other day and they mentioned how well he’s doing on a personal level as well at Walsall - all of his family wanted him to stay there for the remainder of the season. He was struggling with confidence before going on loan but has got it back and is loving life there. 

I hope he stays on loan for the remainder of the year and possibly goes to a league one club next year, he was used for us in League One as we were desperate for goals and he showed promise but I wouldn’t say he’s even shown enough to be a consistent League One striker let alone the Championship, he’s very young still. Give him time to learn his trade otherwise I feel we could ruin his development by throwing him in the deep end and expecting to much.

jose

If a league one loan is the next step, why not in January?
Harsh on Walsall.

Scoham

jose said:

If a league one loan is the next step, why not in January?
Harsh on Walsall.

Don’t believe he can be loaned to another club this season, as he’s also played for us.

Garrymanilow

WillmoreTheRed said:

Spoke to his family the other day and they mentioned how well he’s doing on a personal level as well at Walsall - all of his family wanted him to stay there for the remainder of the season. He was struggling with confidence before going on loan but has got it back and is loving life there. 

I hope he stays on loan for the remainder of the year and possibly goes to a league one club next year, he was used for us in League One as we were desperate for goals and he showed promise but I wouldn’t say he’s even shown enough to be a consistent League One striker let alone the Championship, he’s very young still. Give him time to learn his trade otherwise I feel we could ruin his development by throwing him in the deep end and expecting to much.

I'm not surprised his confidence dropped, he had a badly timed injury last season and then by the end found himself behind Chuks, Mbick, Ahadme and sometimes even Danny Hylton. Not making the Play-Off final squad must have been a blow and a decent loan is just what he needed. 

If we bring him back now he'll probably get into the team for one or two games before Kelman and Godden are back and then will revert to being on the bench at best. His best case scenario is that they both suffer setbacks which would be bad for us and even then he'll be behind Leaburn, TC and Olaofe and hoping to come off the bench. Reminds me a bit of Paul Hayes who got dropped in 11/12 for nothing other than not being Yann and then was having a great loan at Wycombe before we cut it short so we could play him against Huddersfield because we were without Yann and N'Guessan. We had them both back the next game and Hayes played 7 minutes of football across the next 7 games, only even making the squad once. Hayes development wasn't really something we were too bothered about but I think it would really hurt Kanu to get this loan cut short and then just sit about the place. There's a lot to be gained from seeing how he gets on in the latter parts of the season when the niggles pile up, the fatigue really sets in and he's expected to score the goals to get his side promoted. The player we get back from that would be far more valuable than having him make a couple of appearances for us and then dropping back out