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Showmetheway2gohome said:The French know how to get there government to produce for the people if there politicians shit on them they riot and get action from there government. We got public school knob heads arguing about if they had parties or work meetings and not giving a shit about the people. They could cut the vat on energy and petrol by half and still get the same money coming in because the prices have gone up so much.I support a riot. Get Nigel Farage in. Them Nigel’s know how to run the show
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We elected the wrong politicians. France 4% cap, Germany 5%. France are forcing EDF to subsidise energy out of their enormous profits, whereas in the UK I believe Shell have announced a 14 fold increase in profits...ShootersHillGuru said:Some of the figures being bandied about on here are eye watering. We’re one of the richest nations on earth and people are actually having to decide to eat or stay warm. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere.
We must stop electing public school boys - how can they possibly understand having to choose between eating and heating. Sunak's wife is richer than the Queen for gawds sake!7 -
Ok a slight exaggeration.Croydon said:
In Crewe?clb74 said:
£521 that's a mortgage.Mendonca In Asdas said:
Yes, my bill for the last 2 months was £521 & £493, never get an aga!!clb74 said:
£350 a month?Mendonca In Asdas said:Just had to up my monthly payment by £110 a month to £350 a month
If you were to add other Bill's on top
Council tax , water , internet that would be a mortgage.0 -
Blimey where do you live MIA.Mendonca In Asdas said:
Yes, my bill for the last 2 months was £521 & £493, never get an aga!!clb74 said:
£350 a month?Mendonca In Asdas said:Just had to up my monthly payment by £110 a month to £350 a month
Just worked out my 3 month bill.
3 bed semi detached out in the country, wife at home all day pretending to be working with 3 screens on.
£300 for the 3 months.1 -
I'm just glad we avoided chaos with Ed Milliband.2
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Ed Miliband controls the global energy market ?He much he getting rich(er) every day then.0
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And today BP announced their highest profits for 8 years, $12.8billion….Saga Lout said:
We elected the wrong politicians. France 4% cap, Germany 5%. France are forcing EDF to subsidise energy out of their enormous profits, whereas in the UK I believe Shell have announced a 14 fold increase in profits...ShootersHillGuru said:Some of the figures being bandied about on here are eye watering. We’re one of the richest nations on earth and people are actually having to decide to eat or stay warm. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere.
We must stop electing public school boys - how can they possibly understand having to choose between eating and heating. Sunak's wife is richer than the Queen for gawds sake!
Shell reported profits of $19bn last week.Disgusting.10 -
This might be a bit Seth but even I think a windfall tax is requiredAndyessgee90 said:
And today BP announced their highest profits for 8 years, $12.8billion….Saga Lout said:
We elected the wrong politicians. France 4% cap, Germany 5%. France are forcing EDF to subsidise energy out of their enormous profits, whereas in the UK I believe Shell have announced a 14 fold increase in profits...ShootersHillGuru said:Some of the figures being bandied about on here are eye watering. We’re one of the richest nations on earth and people are actually having to decide to eat or stay warm. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere.
We must stop electing public school boys - how can they possibly understand having to choose between eating and heating. Sunak's wife is richer than the Queen for gawds sake!
Shell reported profits of $19bn last week.Disgusting.5 -
Imagine a world where windfall tax existed and the NI rise wasn’t needed….AndyG said:
This might be a bit Seth but even I think a windfall tax is requiredAndyessgee90 said:
And today BP announced their highest profits for 8 years, $12.8billion….Saga Lout said:
We elected the wrong politicians. France 4% cap, Germany 5%. France are forcing EDF to subsidise energy out of their enormous profits, whereas in the UK I believe Shell have announced a 14 fold increase in profits...ShootersHillGuru said:Some of the figures being bandied about on here are eye watering. We’re one of the richest nations on earth and people are actually having to decide to eat or stay warm. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere.
We must stop electing public school boys - how can they possibly understand having to choose between eating and heating. Sunak's wife is richer than the Queen for gawds sake!
Shell reported profits of $19bn last week.Disgusting.0 - Sponsored links:
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It is if they don't pay tax on it. Otherwise it drives an enormous contribution to the finances of the UK and other countries in which they operate.Andyessgee90 said:
And today BP announced their highest profits for 8 years, $12.8billion….Saga Lout said:
We elected the wrong politicians. France 4% cap, Germany 5%. France are forcing EDF to subsidise energy out of their enormous profits, whereas in the UK I believe Shell have announced a 14 fold increase in profits...ShootersHillGuru said:Some of the figures being bandied about on here are eye watering. We’re one of the richest nations on earth and people are actually having to decide to eat or stay warm. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere.
We must stop electing public school boys - how can they possibly understand having to choose between eating and heating. Sunak's wife is richer than the Queen for gawds sake!
Shell reported profits of $19bn last week.Disgusting.
Profits are not inherently evil.1 -
Most of their revenue comes from the north sea and the exchequer get a big chunk in taxes, and BP shares will be in the vast majority of pension funds. They also lost $6 billion in 2020, such is the nature of oil and gas price fluctuation. They are also committing to spend 30% of their net revenue on renewables/low carbon energy between now and 2030.IdleHans said:
It is if they don't pay tax on it. Otherwise it drives an enormous contribution to the finances of the UK and other countries in which they operate.Andyessgee90 said:
And today BP announced their highest profits for 8 years, $12.8billion….Saga Lout said:
We elected the wrong politicians. France 4% cap, Germany 5%. France are forcing EDF to subsidise energy out of their enormous profits, whereas in the UK I believe Shell have announced a 14 fold increase in profits...ShootersHillGuru said:Some of the figures being bandied about on here are eye watering. We’re one of the richest nations on earth and people are actually having to decide to eat or stay warm. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere.
We must stop electing public school boys - how can they possibly understand having to choose between eating and heating. Sunak's wife is richer than the Queen for gawds sake!
Shell reported profits of $19bn last week.Disgusting.
Profits are not inherently evil.
Two sides to every coin.
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Am in the same boat MIA. Did the sums last week and our annual bill would more than double to over £8,000 when our fixed-rate expires this year (half of which is our old-style 13-amp AGA). Told the Mrs, I'm turning the bloody thing off or selling the children!Mendonca In Asdas said:
Yes, my bill for the last 2 months was £521 & £493, never get an aga!!clb74 said:
£350 a month?Mendonca In Asdas said:Just had to up my monthly payment by £110 a month to £350 a month
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Are AGA's that juicy? As stated above I have a 32amp hot tub that is hard wired (not a 3 pin plug) and is on 24/7 for heating/temperature purposes. We use it at least once a week where the pumps and lights are added to the consumption yet my bills are nowhere near what's being quoted on here.Davey said:
Am in the same boat MIA. Did the sums last week and our annual bill would more than double to over £8,000 when our fixed-rate expires this year (half of which is our old-style 13-amp AGA). Told the Mrs, I'm turning the bloody thing off or selling the children!Mendonca In Asdas said:
Yes, my bill for the last 2 months was £521 & £493, never get an aga!!clb74 said:
£350 a month?Mendonca In Asdas said:Just had to up my monthly payment by £110 a month to £350 a month/0 -
Switched from Shell to Octopus...been a decent decision so far.1
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Might get myself a hot tub, and turn the Aga off!eaststandmike said:
Are AGA's that juicy? As stated above I have a 32amp hot tub that is hard wired (not a 3 pin plug) and is on 24/7 for heating/temperature purposes. We use it at least once a week where the pumps and lights are added to the consumption yet my bills are nowhere near what's being quoted on here.Davey said:
Am in the same boat MIA. Did the sums last week and our annual bill would more than double to over £8,000 when our fixed-rate expires this year (half of which is our old-style 13-amp AGA). Told the Mrs, I'm turning the bloody thing off or selling the children!Mendonca In Asdas said:
Yes, my bill for the last 2 months was £521 & £493, never get an aga!!clb74 said:
£350 a month?Mendonca In Asdas said:Just had to up my monthly payment by £110 a month to £350 a month/
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Octopus have been great for me. Their referral system is a godsend too, I think i've signed 6 people up which a free £300 for me and £50 for each of the people i've referredthewolfboy said:Switched from Shell to Octopus...been a decent decision so far.1 -
The roast potatoes won't be as crispy, though...Mendonca In Asdas said:
Might get myself a hot tub, and turn the Aga off!
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And the shareholders of these companies who benefit from these profits are mostly... pension funds!IdleHans said:
It is if they don't pay tax on it. Otherwise it drives an enormous contribution to the finances of the UK and other countries in which they operate.Andyessgee90 said:
And today BP announced their highest profits for 8 years, $12.8billion….Saga Lout said:
We elected the wrong politicians. France 4% cap, Germany 5%. France are forcing EDF to subsidise energy out of their enormous profits, whereas in the UK I believe Shell have announced a 14 fold increase in profits...ShootersHillGuru said:Some of the figures being bandied about on here are eye watering. We’re one of the richest nations on earth and people are actually having to decide to eat or stay warm. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere.
We must stop electing public school boys - how can they possibly understand having to choose between eating and heating. Sunak's wife is richer than the Queen for gawds sake!
Shell reported profits of $19bn last week.Disgusting.
Profits are not inherently evil.
As Supertramp once said.
Who are these men of lust greed and glory?
blah blah blah
Look there's you and there's me!1 - Sponsored links:
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I don't believe this is the case any longer.stevexreeve said:
And the shareholders of these companies who benefit from these profits are mostly... pension funds!IdleHans said:
It is if they don't pay tax on it. Otherwise it drives an enormous contribution to the finances of the UK and other countries in which they operate.Andyessgee90 said:
And today BP announced their highest profits for 8 years, $12.8billion….Saga Lout said:
We elected the wrong politicians. France 4% cap, Germany 5%. France are forcing EDF to subsidise energy out of their enormous profits, whereas in the UK I believe Shell have announced a 14 fold increase in profits...ShootersHillGuru said:Some of the figures being bandied about on here are eye watering. We’re one of the richest nations on earth and people are actually having to decide to eat or stay warm. Something has gone horribly wrong somewhere.
We must stop electing public school boys - how can they possibly understand having to choose between eating and heating. Sunak's wife is richer than the Queen for gawds sake!
Shell reported profits of $19bn last week.Disgusting.
Profits are not inherently evil.
As Supertramp once said.
Who are these men of lust greed and glory?
blah blah blah
Look there's you and there's me!"Analysis of official statistics shows that the proportion of UK shares directly held by UK pension funds fell from almost one in three in 1990 to less than one in 25 by 2018 – a decline of over 90 per cent. Most UK shares are now held by overseas investors. The proportion of UK shares owned by overseas investors rose from 12 per cent in 1990 to 55 per cent in 2018.
In addition to direct share ownership, some pension funds will own shares indirectly through pooled funds controlled by insurance companies and asset managers. Examining the data on this, we conclude that in total UK pension funds own directly or indirectly under six per cent of UK shares..."
https://www.tuc.org.uk/research-analysis/reports/do-dividends-pay-our-pensions
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Happy to be corrected on this!
The report is understandably a little biased but I fully agree that public companies should be legally obliged to consider their employees and customers more and their shareholders less.1 -
Right now I'm trying to get to the bottom of why - just when we switched providers - our annual electricity consumption apparently rose in 2021 by 29%. There is no obvious reason for it, (e.g the central heating is gas fired). I have cranked up my British made Owl consumption reader (don't know if anyone has one, y'all got smart meters instead, I suppose). It does still seem to work fine but so far an obvious juice guzzler has not been identified.
However funny enough a couple of years ago in the office we had a similar problem with our bills and we eventually traced the culprit to the small standalone fridge. My question then is, how to see the impact of the fridge (and freezers) on the Owl reading? It looks like the fridge only sucks juice for a relatively small period at a time, rather than continuously. Does anyone have an idea how many kilowatts a medium sized fridge would register on an Owl if it is working normally? With this one, it looks like an extra 0.09Kw is added on the meter when I can hear the fridge motor running. It does not seem like a lot, but I have no clue, and on the web I have not found anything like a table which shows how much juice various appliances use. All I have learnt is general stuff, such as the 'wet' machines are the most energy consuming (washing machine, dishwasher in our case, and we just bought a new AEG washing machine during 2021 which ought to be consuming a lot less juice than the 24 year old Bosch washer/dryer it replaced).
Any advice or suggested clues would be much appreciated!0 -
Check the wife’s bedroom drawer, could be a power guzzler in there, your unaware of……PragueAddick said:Right now I'm trying to get to the bottom of why - just when we switched providers - our annual electricity consumption apparently rose in 2021 by 29%. There is no obvious reason for it, (e.g the central heating is gas fired). I have cranked up my British made Owl consumption reader (don't know if anyone has one, y'all got smart meters instead, I suppose). It does still seem to work fine but so far an obvious juice guzzler has not been identified.
However funny enough a couple of years ago in the office we had a similar problem with our bills and we eventually traced the culprit to the small standalone fridge. My question then is, how to see the impact of the fridge (and freezers) on the Owl reading? It looks like the fridge only sucks juice for a relatively small period at a time, rather than continuously. Does anyone have an idea how many kilowatts a medium sized fridge would register on an Owl if it is working normally? With this one, it looks like an extra 0.09Kw is added on the meter when I can hear the fridge motor running. It does not seem like a lot, but I have no clue, and on the web I have not found anything like a table which shows how much juice various appliances use. All I have learnt is general stuff, such as the 'wet' machines are the most energy consuming (washing machine, dishwasher in our case, and we just bought a new AEG washing machine during 2021 which ought to be consuming a lot less juice than the 24 year old Bosch washer/dryer it replaced).
Any advice or suggested clues would be much appreciated!2 -
Electric razor ? :-)RaplhMilne said:
Check the wife’s bedroom drawer, could be a power guzzler in there, your unaware of……PragueAddick said:Right now I'm trying to get to the bottom of why - just when we switched providers - our annual electricity consumption apparently rose in 2021 by 29%. There is no obvious reason for it, (e.g the central heating is gas fired). I have cranked up my British made Owl consumption reader (don't know if anyone has one, y'all got smart meters instead, I suppose). It does still seem to work fine but so far an obvious juice guzzler has not been identified.
However funny enough a couple of years ago in the office we had a similar problem with our bills and we eventually traced the culprit to the small standalone fridge. My question then is, how to see the impact of the fridge (and freezers) on the Owl reading? It looks like the fridge only sucks juice for a relatively small period at a time, rather than continuously. Does anyone have an idea how many kilowatts a medium sized fridge would register on an Owl if it is working normally? With this one, it looks like an extra 0.09Kw is added on the meter when I can hear the fridge motor running. It does not seem like a lot, but I have no clue, and on the web I have not found anything like a table which shows how much juice various appliances use. All I have learnt is general stuff, such as the 'wet' machines are the most energy consuming (washing machine, dishwasher in our case, and we just bought a new AEG washing machine during 2021 which ought to be consuming a lot less juice than the 24 year old Bosch washer/dryer it replaced).
Any advice or suggested clues would be much appreciated!0 -
General rule is anything that generates or reduces heat will cause you problems.PragueAddick said:Right now I'm trying to get to the bottom of why - just when we switched providers - our annual electricity consumption apparently rose in 2021 by 29%. There is no obvious reason for it, (e.g the central heating is gas fired). I have cranked up my British made Owl consumption reader (don't know if anyone has one, y'all got smart meters instead, I suppose). It does still seem to work fine but so far an obvious juice guzzler has not been identified.
However funny enough a couple of years ago in the office we had a similar problem with our bills and we eventually traced the culprit to the small standalone fridge. My question then is, how to see the impact of the fridge (and freezers) on the Owl reading? It looks like the fridge only sucks juice for a relatively small period at a time, rather than continuously. Does anyone have an idea how many kilowatts a medium sized fridge would register on an Owl if it is working normally? With this one, it looks like an extra 0.09Kw is added on the meter when I can hear the fridge motor running. It does not seem like a lot, but I have no clue, and on the web I have not found anything like a table which shows how much juice various appliances use. All I have learnt is general stuff, such as the 'wet' machines are the most energy consuming (washing machine, dishwasher in our case, and we just bought a new AEG washing machine during 2021 which ought to be consuming a lot less juice than the 24 year old Bosch washer/dryer it replaced).
Any advice or suggested clues would be much appreciated!
Can recommend one of these:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-Tapo-Monitoring-Required-P110/dp/B097YBXHTW/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=19HO7JENGU2PN&keywords=tp+link+energy+monitoring+smart+plug&qid=1644424483&sprefix=tp+link+enrgy,aps,138&sr=8-3
They monitor energy usage and will let you know how much devices use over time. They do multipacks if you like the idea, and you can use them also as a WiFi plug socket to turn things off/on whilst you aren't there. I use mine to monitor energy usage, but also to turn a lamp on when away from home so it looks like someone is in.2 -
A modern medium sized fridge should use between 100 and 400 watts a day according to google. So how often does the motor run?1
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We are just shy of 2k in credit with Scottish Power..with these price increases, I'm wondering how much of that we'll get back.0
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I can see the relevance of the question, but working out the answer might be tricky. I'll see if I can get a handle on what happens over one hour.Jints said:A modern medium sized fridge should use between 100 and 400 watts a day according to google. So how often does the motor run?0 -
Can we all have pay rises then? Maybe the Scottish teachers are affected mpre than the rest of us?moutuakilla said:Don't worry, we can all sort this out by not asking for pay rises it seems0
