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Post-match thread: Milton Keynes v Charlton Athletic | Tuesday 17th August, 2021
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no huge questions marks over him, poor for opener today and Saturday, has he even made a save of note so far? everytime the ball goes on target seems to go inGravesend_Addick said:Out of interest, am I the only one that thinks the new keeper is rubbish?1 -
Not sure I feel that sorry for Adkins. Sheff wed game and first half tonight shows there is better there than smashing it long and installing no confidence in our players. Manager bounce last season and now watching some of the most predictable turgid football we’ve seen, jury is well and truly out.11
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He won’t ever change the formation. I like Adkins, but he’s not the sort to change tactics.JohnnyH2 said:4 games played, all with the same outcome that we just simply do not create enough chances. On Saturday we would never have got an equalizer and tonight was no different
I have never ever seen a manager of this club stick so much to a formation during games when it is so clear we would end up with a a defeat as the last 3 games have been played out. Either he thinks this formation is the future and its going to click or he is trying to prove a point he needs more/better players to those above him. Either way its awful to watch
Stayed back deliberately at the end to see what reaction the manager and players got when they came across to what was left of the supporters there. Booing and a chant of not fit to wear the short was the response they got back from some.
He won’t even let the wingers swap around, let alone throw away the formation he’s specifically recruited for, after just 4 games. It seems even the u23s and u18s have started playing 4-3-3.
Its not the tactics, it’s the players not being good enough as a unit. There’s no star quality in the team besides DJ and even he’s hot and cold.0 -
No, he’s woeful. That positioning for the first goal today was under 16 stuff.Gravesend_Addick said:Out of interest, am I the only one that thinks the new keeper is rubbish?2 -
Do ppl on here really believe we will bring in 5 or 6 decent signings when the mythical deadline day fire-sale happens? Im betting 1 or 2 mediocre-level loans at best.6
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We need a striker in to be honest. But we need somebody/s in whatever way we set up. I think we need the following first teamers in, CF, CM, CM, LB, GK. That is the minimum btw.0
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Im not a big fan so far, he rated morgan over shinnie for one, says a lotValleyGary said:Not sure I feel that sorry for Adkins. Sheff wed game and first half tonight shows there is better there than smashing it long and installing no confidence in our players. Manager bounce last season and now watching some of the most predictable turgid football we’ve seen, jury is well and truly out.2 -
Agreed, I don't feel sorry for him. The squad is weak yes, but you still need a gameplan. How many teams who finished miles below us last season had a gameplan and gave us a good game?ValleyGary said:Not sure I feel that sorry for Adkins. Sheff wed game and first half tonight shows there is better there than smashing it long and installing no confidence in our players. Manager bounce last season and now watching some of the most predictable turgid football we’ve seen, jury is well and truly out.4 -
The thing is mate you "call it out" when we are 3-0 up, that we should go for the 4th, if we signed someone who scored 20 goals the previous season you would want someone that scored 25.golfaddick said:I am not proud to say that I have been calling this for weeks & weeks. Got pelters on the Transfer Rumours thread back in early July when I questioned our lack of transfers.....got told not to panic & the transfer window doesn't close until end of August.
Even got told by a poster that they wanted to rip my head off & piss down my neck for daring to suggest that TS's transfer policy was no different to Duchatalet. I said at least under RD we brought players in.
Seems like TS is happy to rely on the U23's. That's ok if you have a Shelvey, a Gomez or a Parker. Not so good if you have Claydon, Roddy or Vennings.
Think it might be too late anyway. Most of the good players have joined new clubs and any other players we are interested in the selling clubs will know we are desperate & will be upping their prices as I type.
Just too fucking late. Time to strengthen was back in June & July.
Could be in the bottom 4 come 5pm Saturday. And I dare anyone to call me a bedwetter.
If we signed Messi you would moan we didn't get Ronaldo as well.
If we won the league with 99 points you would moan we didn't get 100.
If you predict the apocalypse on an hourly basis your be right eventually.12 -
ValleyGary said:‘Gunter gets pressured onto his left and slows down the phase of play either coming on his right or kicking it out’….10 days later, still happening. Fuck me, I know these people have done their badges and have experience but it’s so frustrating.Said in the match thread,he's much the same on his right.Fella needs a 20M No fly zone where no opposition player can go near him.Get within the zone and he shits himself.One of THE worst ball players I've seen in a Charlton shirt.Quite how he's managed to get so many international caps f******g mystifies me!!
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Bang the ball up to Stockley but no one is feeding off him.
No discernible game plan.
No shot on target second half!
Clueless!
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Do we have the players for a 442? We get overrun in a midfield 3, I'd hate to see it as a 2. Plus if Kirk and DJ are wide are they going to track back enough?esseffect said:4 4 2 sounds good. But we’ve only had the players to do that since Kirk joined1 -
F*cking hell. What's going on.
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What I'll say as well.
Mo Eisa
Troy Parrott
Scott Twine
Best front 3 in the division, I did think it would be tough for us tonight but I didnt expect us to make it as easy as we did.
Really hope Roddy and Steve Gallen have some genuine pedigree rabbits in their hat2 -
Got the same amount of points as Ipswich who were nailed on to win the league by October due to there signings
I agree we need some qaulity in but the reaction so far is ott4 -
Dare I say it.
Get curbs back0 -
Certainly seems a big downgrade on Amos. Doesn't come for crosses, positioning and kicking suspect, at fault for 2 goals. Maynard-Brewer couldn't have done any worse.Gravesend_Addick said:Out of interest, am I the only one that thinks the new keeper is rubbish?3 -
If we signed somebody who can score 20, signing somebody who can score 25 improves us. Why would you not want that. We have lost about 25 goals with Aneke, JFC and Gilbey and not brought any in to compensate. We haven't signed Messi or Ronaldo and we have absolutely no chance of getting near 99 points as it stands.Cafc43v3r said:
The thing is mate you "call it out" when we are 3-0 up, that we should go for the 4th, if we signed someone who scored 20 goals the previous season you would want someone that scored 25.golfaddick said:I am not proud to say that I have been calling this for weeks & weeks. Got pelters on the Transfer Rumours thread back in early July when I questioned our lack of transfers.....got told not to panic & the transfer window doesn't close until end of August.
Even got told by a poster that they wanted to rip my head off & piss down my neck for daring to suggest that TS's transfer policy was no different to Duchatalet. I said at least under RD we brought players in.
Seems like TS is happy to rely on the U23's. That's ok if you have a Shelvey, a Gomez or a Parker. Not so good if you have Claydon, Roddy or Vennings.
Think it might be too late anyway. Most of the good players have joined new clubs and any other players we are interested in the selling clubs will know we are desperate & will be upping their prices as I type.
Just too fucking late. Time to strengthen was back in June & July.
Could be in the bottom 4 come 5pm Saturday. And I dare anyone to call me a bedwetter.
If we signed Messi you would moan we didn't get Ronaldo as well.
If we won the league with 99 points you would moan we didn't get 100.
If you predict the apocalypse on an hourly basis your be right eventually.1 -
I can't ever remember being so worried about the defence, midfield and attack all at the same time.8
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golfaddick said:I am not proud to say that I have been calling this for weeks & weeks. Got pelters on the Transfer Rumours thread back in early July when I questioned our lack of transfers.....got told not to panic & the transfer window doesn't close until end of August.
Even got told by a poster that they wanted to rip my head off & piss down my neck for daring to suggest that TS's transfer policy was no different to Duchatalet. I said at least under RD we brought players in.
Seems like TS is happy to rely on the U23's. That's ok if you have a Shelvey, a Gomez or a Parker. Not so good if you have Claydon, Roddy or Vennings.
Think it might be too late anyway. Most of the good players have joined new clubs and any other players we are interested in the selling clubs will know we are desperate & will be upping their prices as I type.
Just too fucking late. Time to strengthen was back in June & July.
Could be in the bottom 4 come 5pm Saturday. And I dare anyone to call me a bedwetter.Think you're getting us mixed up with Plenty of Fish Golfie.;-)5 - Sponsored links:
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This is what i dont understand,would TS really go through everything he did to acquire the club only to leave us with a mid-table(at best)team? I cant believe he would. Surely?!AddickUpNorth said:1968CAFC said:8 points behind the pack after only three games
wake up a smell the Roses Adkins 👎👎
Just my opinion but I feel sorry for Adkins. Can hardly expect him to work miracles with the mediocrity he’s been given to work with. I can’t think of any manager that could do better with a substandard first eleven and a bench made up of raw kids.0 -
There was one silver lining tonight. Apparently Dean Kiely can do a job in midfield.2
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I think the plan was thought up at half time and largely consisted of him not getting sent offForeverAddickted said:Sounds like Inniss will be fine for Saturday
Sounds like it was always the plan for him to do 45mins the way Adkins is talking8 -
Whole squad is weak and not good enough. No positives from this start to the season. TS, through his lack of support, has caused this problem. If he has not got the cash, or does not want to splash some cash, he should level with us.
Statements from him indicate we may get a few loan signings, but if that was the intention, why wait until we are getting beaten by average teams ?
Looks like no plan is in place and all a bit knee jerk.
Adkins may decide to walk if he does not get the support he clearly needs0 -
Athletico Charlton said:Firstly, MK Dons are a great team to watch, really play some lovely football. Much like Oxford before them. We just can't keep up with teams of this quality as gutting as it is to say as a Charlton fan when talking about two minnows of the game.
Our midfield is poor, Dobson, Clare and Morgan ok squad fillers but none of them should be starting.
Should have gone all out for Fraser or even Twine who is a very good player.
I thought Parrott was strong and expect him to do well this season too.
MKDons and Oxford will be right up there at the end of the season.
Watson should do the honourable thing and retire like the Crewe lad has, his heart is clearly not in it. I wouldn't have him anywhere near the bench, rather have one less sub. Gunters foul throws utterly unforgivable with his experience and the new keeper looks like a rabbit in the headlights.
As for Innis, it's just laughable. Can't string any games together. He started the season unfit as we were scared to play him pre-season. You simply cannot have the guy as a first choice CB no matter how good he may be in the 10-15 games you may get out of him each season.
Really sad situation re Inniss...if he was consistently fit he'd be championship level easy. Unfortunately he's not reliable fitness wise hence why he's with us and this approach is not the basis of a solid defence.
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Anyone else notice fitness levels?In last two games even when losing we had nothing in the tank to try and chase it and create chances.We look leggy and unfit in my eyes10
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One bit of good news.
I've just been able to get 20/1 for us to win the league.10 -
aliwibble said:There were some nice moments in that, but sadly once again, my favourite bits of the evening have been the pre and post match stuff, rather than the match itself. But I have other things to be getting on with rather than post-mortems tonight.
"The song" playing before the start of the programme got on my tits. Addicks to victory indeed.0 -
So I think there are some overreactions here. We were poor tonight, but we had worse games last season, let alone under Parky, let alone under Slade. Our midfield was overrun by a very good passing side. Our fullbacks were found wanting playing against wingbacks. As a result, our CBs got dragged out of position. And we switched off from a set piece. It was bad, but it wasn't outside of the realms of what I'd put under "Things that happen in football."
That being said, things were bad. And to make so many avoidable mistakes in one match is a problem. I've worried about Dobson's positioning since pre-season. He looks like he wants to charge about and win the ball/break up play, akin to Pratley, not sit and dictate, akin to Watson (regardless of what you think of the quality of the two older players, just using their style as an example). Adkins requires so much running from his other two "shuttling" midfielders (Clare and Morgan) that that number 6 (or 4) has to be there to provide cover, and has to be very good. I'm not convinced Dobson is suited to the role. In possession, he struggles to influence the game. Has a decent range of passing, but doesn't keep things ticking over.
I thought Clare looked alright in stretches, but apart from run, I'm not entirely clear on what he's good at. Put a couple of half decent crosses in, but nothing spectacular. And given our very direct style of football, if all you do is run, you're going to run yourself out of the game because we bypass the midfield far too much at the moment.
Gunter is just...not very good anymore. Didn't think he was good last year. Don't think he's looked good at LB this year. Thought Matthews had one of his poorer games on the right, but overall he's a solid if unspectacular fullback. That said, we need an attacking fullback, namely at LB, as Kirk likes to cut in on his right and as Robinson pointed out on Saturday, that leaves a lot of space for a LB to attack. I could see that player coming in the form of a loan from a Prem side. I don't care how we get it, we just need to get a LB over the line as Purrington is not that player.
Onto the system. Adkins is obviously a systems manager. I like systems managers. I think they win out in the long term. But right now we're like someone caught between two bus stops. We neither press high up the pitch, nor sit deep and look to counter. We look to play a sort of mid range press, then lump it long, and it ends up being disjointed with players out of position half the time because they're either pressing or chasing balls into the channel. This has to fall on Adkins. And he needs to sort it out, and quickly. I'm not sure if we're fit enough to play a high pressing game, but I'd certainly try it against Wigan given that the alternative hasn't worked.
We're three games in. We have Gilbey and Schwartz to come back. The window is open for another two weeks and the fact of the matter is that a lot of loan deals both 1) provide a spark of talent otherwise unaccessible to a club at our level, and 2) happen late in the window. So I'm not going to panic yet. But things must improve. And we must start to get players in.29 -
If he does he will say it’s brilliant and be chatting as he does itkentred2 said:Will Adkins walk if he doesn’t get the six or seven players he needs as he did at Hull?18
