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England v Italy - THE FINAL - Match Thread
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Im 37 and I think its gone for us too!soapboxsam said:
Feel sorry for the 55 and overs who may have lost their last chance of success.6 -
I’m adamant that the better team didn’t win. We let them win.11
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Ah but we have had ours in '66 something you may never see !soapboxsam said:I'm going to put 1-1 on my Euro's wall chart with no mention of pens at all. Italy v England draw, trophy shared.
How can I shut my eyes when I see Rashford, Sancho and Saka making such feeble efforts.
Feel sorry for the 55 and overs who may have lost their last chance of success.0 -
100%ValleyGary said:I’m adamant that the better team didn’t win. We let them win.0 -
At 40 years old I am aware this could have been my snatch at seeing an England team win something. Alas Southgate isn't to blame, that poxy experienced Italian manager and the weird tactical advantage going a goal behind gives you is to blame.
I'd rather we hadn't sat back so much but, but a key strength of this side is playing on the break. Our problem was we didn't move the ball quick enough in the second half when we could have broken. Not just that, playing on the break against any Italian side is a thankless task let alone against an Italian side that also adore playing a high press pretty successfully
Anyway how good was Maguires penalty? What resilience from a human being. The guy has put up with all the media bullshit thrown his way time and time again and shown incredible emotional intelligence to not beat a "journalist" to death with his boots2 -
Er, the 55s and over were about when we won the World Cup. It doesn’t get better than that kiddo.soapboxsam said:I'm going to put 1-1 on my Euro's wall chart with no mention of pens at all. Italy v England draw, trophy shared.
How can I shut my eyes when I see Rashford, Sancho and Saka making such feeble efforts.
Feel sorry for the 55 and overs who may have lost their last chance of success.2 -
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Gutted0
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I mean fuck the football
Before the game as the players had a stroll and were leaving the pitch Grealish grabbed SCP and pointed up to not far away where we had our Charlton flag and I did a bit of worshipping of the Charlton god .
he then pointed to another Charlton flag over the other side . I love SCP
Scenes for the goal
refused to celebrate any penalty too madly cos never felt comfortable with us , especially when he brought the penalty takers on (proper miserable Cnut I am) …
still that’s the Europa Cup/ League Cup/Euros tinpot rather than the real deal Champions League/FA Cup World Cup
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I'm just so sorry. What a gutting way to lose. But so much to be proud of and so much to look forward to next winter.1
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Best penalties: Bonucci (99%) and Maguire (98%)
Worst penalties: Bernadeschi (59%) and Saka (60%)
Sancho’s penalty had a better probability of going in than Kane’s one (76% vs 75%).
Expected penalty score: Italy 3.8 - 3.1 England1 -
Watching, say, Italy and Germany tournament after tournament they seem to exude their Italianness and Germanness. And this force of collective personality and identity is a significant factor in winning tournaments (it seems) And the same with Argentina.
With the exception of, say, France (when every member of their cup winning squads were effectively the best players in the world iat that time in their respective positions) I see that a team missing national identity and character falls short at the business end of International tournaments. What do others think?0 -
Callumcafc said:
Best penalties: Bonucci (99%) and Maguire (98%)
Worst penalties: Bernadeschi (59%) and Saka (60%)
Sancho’s penalty had a better probability of going in than Kane’s one (76% vs 75%).
Expected penalty score: Italy 3.8 - 3.1 EnglandDon't give a monkey's about 'Stats'. Kane's penalty was perfect. No way was that getting saved.Sancho's was saved.1 -
Maybe, instead of virtue signalling with all the trendy 'woke' messaging throughout the tournament, the England manager had, when it mattered, focused on football matters, he might have remembered the effect of all the pressure he felt when he missed his penalty and not relied on stats from training but actually thought about the situation he sent the kids into.19
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Reading the reaction from around Europe on Reddit, they are all asking why we would bring on substitutions cold to take penalties. Also asking why we would give the decisive penalty to a nineteen-year-old. So even the neutrals are calling out those decisions.
Clearly Southgate has chosen the 'best' penalty takers on the training ground, but taking a penalty in a knockout tournament doesn't seem to be about technique so much as nerve and to a certain extent, form. I'm not sure the question should be: is he a good technical penalty taker? ... So much as, does this player have the state of mind to go and smash it in?
As Peter Crouch said on his podcast recently, it's rare a player will miss a penalty on the training ground. But stepping up in a big match to take one is a completely different proposition, and it's 90% strength of mind.
A lot of good lessons to be learned from that match. I think (and hope) GS is smart enough to learn them. But I did think the early goal and the way we sat back was too similar to Croatia, and we changed it too little and too late again.
Still, I was just happy for us to be in a final, to be honest.
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Ridiculous.Major said:Maybe, instead of virtue signalling with all the trendy 'woke' messaging throughout the tournament, the England manager had, when it mattered, focused on football matters, he might have remembered the effect of all the pressure he felt when he missed his penalty and not relied on stats from training but actually thought about the situation he sent the kids into.15 - Sponsored links:
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Hard to criticise Southgate whose caution steered us into the final.
I wish though in the second half when we were being outgunned he'd have thrown that caution to the wind. Every time we lost the ball we slipped back into zonal areas and allowed them to set up again, if we ventured into their half, they were on us and stopped us by fair means or foul, whichever it took. We had flair players on the bench, I'd love to have seen them given a chance. If it didn't work, fair enough at least we'd have died with our boots on. Grinding out the second half and extra time to the lottery of penalties is just so ... oh I dunno, English.6 -
Italy lack a Kane like Striker but they played with a high line and passed superbly. Was there an opportunity to try to get behind them more? I think there was, but you can also see why we may have backed ourselves to hold out. In all honesty, Southgate was not going to change his approach and we came close. None of us will remember us going that close before.
I am all for making Southgate a sir, but I have to admit, I wouldn't be upset if somebody else, a more front foot manager, was in charge for Qatar.0 -
Grinding out the game for the lottery of penalties sounds like exactly what Italy did against Spain.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Hard to criticise Southgate whose caution steered us into the final.
I wish though in the second half when we were being outgunned he'd have thrown that caution to the wind. Every time we lost the ball we slipped back into zonal areas and allowed them to set up again, if we ventured into their half, they were on us and stopped us by fair means or foul, whichever it took. We had flair players on the bench, I'd love to have seen them given a chance. If it didn't work, fair enough at least we'd have died with our boots on. Grinding out the second half and extra time to the lottery of penalties is just so ... oh I dunno, English.
Was a very unlucky goal to concede and who knows how things would have turned out with a ref willing to make a big decision.Not slept for over 30 hours and have a 1,200 mile journey home, but, you know what, it was worth it.2 -
We’re not Positive enough, we’ll go on getting bad results, oh Jimmy Hill, why did you say those words, I can’t get them out of my head!3
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We had a great tournament. England do not get to finals. At least that is what 55 years of hurt makes you believe. We now know we can and we have a chance to prove it in little over a year. There are lessons to be learned still, and hopefully we will learn then, but three words are appropriate the day after the night before. Well done England.8
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Maybe he thought about the pressure on players who didn’t really want to take one and went with the nest five who had put their hats into the ringMajor said:Maybe, instead of virtue signalling with all the trendy 'woke' messaging throughout the tournament, the England manager had, when it mattered, focused on football matters, he might have remembered the effect of all the pressure he felt when he missed his penalty and not relied on stats from training but actually thought about the situation he sent the kids into.1 -
Palace Gareth’s lack of courage in substitutions cost Us the game . I know it’s unfashionable to criticise him but he waited for too long to do anything positive11
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MrOneLung said:We have got a World Cup next year before this team even peaks in the next euros
Southgate is getting us there
Semi Final
Runners Up
next stage - QatarI think we need to calm down on the World Cup talk. Brazil and Argentina will also be there. We’re heading in the right direction though and even the recent Germany team lost two semi finals and a final before winning something.0 -
They were vulnerable the first 20 minutes but we didn’t take advantage. It was all Italy after that.LoOkOuT said:Scoring so early shocked Italy, but it shocked England too. Italy had no option but to recover with time to do so. If we could have another couple of early opportunities and a bit of luck, it could have opened up into a different game. Italy dragged us back into a chess match and we lost all forward momentum. It’s was a bit like an MMA match where the striker got an early, surprise knock down, but then found it hard to land strikes and was taken to the mat and ground down for the remaining rounds.
On a positive note, this young team will have learnt a lot about winning, as well as what it takes on big occasions. Stick with them.0
