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England v Italy - THE FINAL - Match Thread
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Can’t understand why Henderson didn’t take a pen2
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Ah okay so if we'd played all out attack and been done on the counter losing to Germany or Denmark, that'd be fine right?!Southbank said:
No. Because it is also why we lost the final.Dazzler21 said:
You don't like the approach that got us to the final?Southbank said:
Because I don't like Southgate's defensive approach to the game when we have so much attacking talent on the bench. We fluked the win against Denmark and sat back when ahead against Italy. I like winning, but you don't win trophies without taking chances. Southgate does not have that in his locker,. Maybe this will change him, maybe not.DRAddick said:
A quick check shows you've been quiet recently on England and then suddenly post after we lose... funny that.Southbank said:Mancini's subs changed the game, Southgate's did not. So much for tactical nous. Italy were the better team and we allowed them to play their game by keeping our attacking players on the bench until it was too late. But Mourinho/Southgate will soldier on I am sure.1 -
Bet you hated the Italian teams of old then - Or the Portuguese team that won Euro 2016?golfaddick said:
Not at all. I just like to see open & attacking football. Not mindless passing around the back that inevitably leads to the goalkeeper hoofing it upfield.iainment said:
Is negativity/caution part of your working life that has spilled over into how you see football?golfaddick said:I haven't been impressed with the team all tournament. Apart from the Ukrainian match we've flattered to deceive. Far too negative - basically 1 striker & 2 supporting players and the rest defensive players. Like watching Charlton there was far too much backwards & sideways passing.
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Maybe the FA should go one better and just make you managerSELR_addicks said:Decided the penalty takers during training.
Maybe take into account penalties taken in training aren't quite the same as penalties during a final with 60,000 screaming all around you.
Something to take on board for the World Cup next year.5 -
Exactly. Might as well have gone for it & tried to actually win the match. We lost anyway so the "tactic" didn't work. Rather try & fail than not try at all.SELR_addicks said:Also saving two substitutions until the 120th minute when he could have used them earlier to try and win the game in extra time?2 -
To be fair, Grealish has only taken one penalty in his career (which he scored). But that doesn't make him an obvious choice.2
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He's missed his last two for England...kinveachyaddick said:Can’t understand why Henderson didn’t take a pen1 -
Um, you know the rules right?kinveachyaddick said:Can’t understand why Henderson didn’t take a pen2 -
Potentially. But we put a lot of pressure on a young man.Dazzler21 said:
Easy to say in hindsight though.Laddick01 said:This might sound like BS but I’d have more confidence in Pickford taking one than Sancho.Powderpuff. Simon Church strikes it harder.Looks at Italy’s takers. Even Jorginho missed.
Go with experience.1 -
You mean because you didn't have the bollocks to say anything when we were winning, but couldn't wait to start publicly masturbating when we lost?Southbank said:
Because I don't like Southgate's defensive approach to the game when we have so much attacking talent on the bench. We fluked the win against Denmark and sat back when ahead against Italy. I like winning, but you don't win trophies without taking chances. Southgate does not have that in his locker,. Maybe this will change him, maybe not.DRAddick said:
A quick check shows you've been quiet recently on England and then suddenly post after we lose... funny that.Southbank said:Mancini's subs changed the game, Southgate's did not. So much for tactical nous. Italy were the better team and we allowed them to play their game by keeping our attacking players on the bench until it was too late. But Mourinho/Southgate will soldier on I am sure.4 - Sponsored links:
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Henderson is perhaps the worst penalty taker in the squad…3
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Little bastard shouldn't have even been on the pitchLaddick01 said:
Potentially. But we put a lot of pressure on a young man.Dazzler21 said:
Easy to say in hindsight though.Laddick01 said:This might sound like BS but I’d have more confidence in Pickford taking one than Sancho.Powderpuff. Simon Church strikes it harder.Looks at Italy’s takers. Even Jorginho missed.
Go with experience.3 -
Clearly the most level headed response to losing a final on penalties is to rip up the entire blueprint of our recent successes and go back to the days of Sven and Capello where at least we took the game to the opposition.11
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Only positive with that approach is we'll have a Manager who'll pick the same squad every game because they'll be too lazy to do any serious research into some of the younger players coming through the England Youth Teams etc.Callumcafc said:Clearly the most level headed response to losing a final on penalties is to rip up the entire blueprint of our recent successes and go back to the days of Sven and Capello where at least we took the game to the opposition.0 -
Sven and Capello were both dogshit managers for England and Southgate has already achieved ten times what those money grabbing crapnuggets ever did for England.20
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It can come down to who fancies it at the time. A good penalty taker can get a bit of doubt in their head and then they are best ducking out, but they run the risk of being called a coward. Really, you don't want heroes, you want confidence but you can't predict where it will be when the stakes are at their highest.1
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ForeverAddickted said:
Only positive with that approach is we'll have a Manager who'll pick the same squad every game because they'll be too lazy to do any serious research into some of the younger players coming through the England Youth Teams etc.Callumcafc said:Clearly the most level headed response to losing a final on penalties is to rip up the entire blueprint of our recent successes and go back to the days of Sven and Capello where at least we took the game to the opposition.
When they do pick those kids... They won't use them.
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Dont think Peter Crouch was that young in 2006 was he?Dazzler21 said:ForeverAddickted said:
Only positive with that approach is we'll have a Manager who'll pick the same squad every game because they'll be too lazy to do any serious research into some of the younger players coming through the England Youth Teams etc.Callumcafc said:Clearly the most level headed response to losing a final on penalties is to rip up the entire blueprint of our recent successes and go back to the days of Sven and Capello where at least we took the game to the opposition. When they do pick those kids... They won't use them.1 -
Gutted, proud but blame with this game lies on Southgate. Bringing on two young players with 1 minute left?0
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😂The kid next to him.1
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Downing?... Oh you mean Walcott, my bad didnt see him thereDazzler21 said:😂The kid next to him.
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Great performance from Pickford this game though.
He is definitely a penalty shootout specialist.7 -
So much hindsight power coming through here I wonder why some of you didn’t warn us about Covid. The whole inexperience/they were cold coming on/John Stones should have stepped up story is just silliness. Take a breath, go to bed, calm down. We got to the final, we lost the toss and had to go second which does for teams over 60% of the time and some of our players missed against a 400ft goalkeeper who guessed the right way twice. Pickford was brilliant but we lost by the finest of margins. Italy’s best penalty taker, Chelsea’s top scorer this season purely through pens, had his saved. You can spend hours debating whether we should have brought on Calvert-Lewin or left Trippier on to take a pen or brought Eric Dier seeing as he scored his pen against Colombia, or seen if Le Tissier had five minutes in him but in the end it’s a bit of luck and that’s the end of it. It’s sad that so much energy is wasted on the minutiae of sliding doors moments around penalties. There’s no magic formula, we did brilliantly to get to this point but it wasn’t to be. Roll on the World Cup22
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Dont really know what to say about the game apart from I didnt see what all the fuss about Italy was from the 1st half performance. We had nothing to worry about apart from Chiesa causing us problems.
I didnt expect to see us go into our shell and invite pressure on for the next 45 minutes. Why? We had no reason to do that but for some reason we just didnt turn up 2nd half.
I think I'll be more gutted tomorrow but right now I'm just happy I've seen us in a final for the 1st time in my 34 years. The build up to the final. The win against Germany and Denmark in particular was pukka. Not too long until we to again in the world cup.4 -
Acclimatise? They only had to take a penalty at Wembley not the himalayas 😀.they stepped up and others hid.Fanny Fanackapan said:PWR.
Very poor decision by GS to give pen kicks to the 3 youngsters , esp the 2 that had barely had time to acclimatise.
Hope he learns from this bitter experience.0 -
Absolutely gutted, the wait and the pain goes on.
Two tournaments and a semi final and final for Southgate so I can’t knock him.
I think scoring early didn’t actually do us any favours. We were far too deep for large periods (reminded me of Charlton).Only 18 months to Qatar, here’s hoping we can go one step further…1 -
Southgate's tactics have arguably got us to the final but how any manager can sit and watch 70 minutes of italian domination and not chgange it is totally beyond me - crying out for saka to come on as iti's pushed onto us - u have to pose a threat on the break or u t just waiting to concede - so frustrating4
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And don't mention the German teams of the 70's and 90'sForeverAddickted said:
Bet you hated the Italian teams of old then - Or the Portuguese team that won Euro 2016?golfaddick said:
Not at all. I just like to see open & attacking football. Not mindless passing around the back that inevitably leads to the goalkeeper hoofing it upfield.iainment said:
Is negativity/caution part of your working life that has spilled over into how you see football?golfaddick said:I haven't been impressed with the team all tournament. Apart from the Ukrainian match we've flattered to deceive. Far too negative - basically 1 striker & 2 supporting players and the rest defensive players. Like watching Charlton there was far too much backwards & sideways passing.0 -
You make it sound easy. Southgate picked the takers so it is unfair to say players hid. Somebody has to lose. It is frustrating that we missed 3 out of 5 although Pickford was brilliant I thought. His second save was as good a penalty save as you will see. if your keeper saves 2 out of 5, he has more than done his job.orpingtonRED said:
Acclimatise? They only had to take a penalty at Wembley not the himalayas 😀.they stepped up and others hid.Fanny Fanackapan said:PWR.
Very poor decision by GS to give pen kicks to the 3 youngsters , esp the 2 that had barely had time to acclimatise.
Hope he learns from this bitter experience.3 -
I don't spend my whole life on this forum, but believe me I have been consistent throughout. I don't like Southgate's management style or Mourinho's, who he is like. Maybe you do and you don't care we have 8 defensive players on the pitch.DRAddick said:
You mean because you didn't have the bollocks to say anything when we were winning, but couldn't wait to start publicly masturbating when we lost?Southbank said:
Because I don't like Southgate's defensive approach to the game when we have so much attacking talent on the bench. We fluked the win against Denmark and sat back when ahead against Italy. I like winning, but you don't win trophies without taking chances. Southgate does not have that in his locker,. Maybe this will change him, maybe not.DRAddick said:
A quick check shows you've been quiet recently on England and then suddenly post after we lose... funny that.Southbank said:Mancini's subs changed the game, Southgate's did not. So much for tactical nous. Italy were the better team and we allowed them to play their game by keeping our attacking players on the bench until it was too late. But Mourinho/Southgate will soldier on I am sure.
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