I'd love to know if any of the posters who've been referring to his drug use/addiction have ever taken drugs themselves. Can't imagine you're all squeaky clean.
Really wish I was in the pub with you lot so we could have a proper discussion over a few pints.However,my personal last word on the subject,people are saying he was a cheat,well I have not heard of any other instances which confirm this.He was a great footballer,who in a split second,realised he could not score legally,and was I am sure as surprised as anyone when the goal was given.That does not make him a serial cheat .Are we saying he should have owned up and told the ref to not give it,in your dreams.Have a look at some of the videos of the treatment he was given over the years which often went unpunished.Gentile of Italy tried to kill him,a guy from Bilbao broke his ankle,Cameroon players were guilty of blatant GBH On the subject of should he have owned up,Should the German keeper have told the ref Lampards shot was 2 foot over the Line,should Atherton have walked when blatantly snicking a ball of Alan Donald,Chris Broad same against the Aussies.Every game you see players appealing for things which they know they are not entitled to,that is cheating,going down looking like you have been shot,that is cheating.RIP Diego one way or another you will not be forgotten.
I think the '86 cheat thing was the catalyst for most of 'our' hatred towards him.
His subsequent misdemeanours (as described elsewhere in this thread) have also been layered on to this hatred. If these other misdemeanours are true (the drug abuser one certainly is) - then they should make the handball cheating incident pale into insignificance.
The guys was a footballing genius...this is obvious.
His death is obviously very sad for his friends and family - and for those that were positively affected by his life.
It is possible however to be apathetic over the death of a person that had no real impact on your life. Am I happy that he is dead? No! Am I particularly upset that he is dead? Again....No.
A cheat who said he didn't cheat when he obviously did. Also a liar and drug taker who was booted out of a world cup for using drugs to boast his performance.
If you admire that more fool you.
Nothing to like there. Compared to Pele . You just can't.
We can compare them based on their footballing ability as they're both footballers. He may not have been the nicest person on the planet, like a significant number of footballers, but as a footballer he was amongst the best
He cheated...that ruins football but he then denied it...liar and cheat. I don't admire that . If you want you can . To me is pointless having rules of we admire those who can't play within them .
Thierry Henry cheated against Ireland,deliberate handball lead to the winning goal,rarely mentioned,If Maradona had done that to any other country nobody would have given a toss.Cheating is now part of the game,all the time players dive,feign injury,try to get opponents sent off,Lineker and Owen both went down very easily in world cup matches.Cyclists,athletes take drugs,none of this is right but Maradona was not the only guy who ever cheated on a sports field.(I remember Garth Crooks punching one in a Selhurst Park).
v Norwich? Fake diving header? (or is my memory crap)
From a 44 year old memory Jimmy Giles did a very similar hand of God goal against Bolton. The Bolton players especially Jim McDonagh went bonkers. Oh how we laughed. As for Maradona the best player of my generation of course he was flawed but what a mad life fame and talent gave him
A cheat who said he didn't cheat when he obviously did. Also a liar and drug taker who was booted out of a world cup for using drugs to boast his performance.
If you admire that more fool you.
Nothing to like there. Compared to Pele . You just can't.
We can compare them based on their footballing ability as they're both footballers. He may not have been the nicest person on the planet, like a significant number of footballers, but as a footballer he was amongst the best
He cheated...that ruins football but he then denied it...liar and cheat. I don't admire that . If you want you can . To me is pointless having rules of we admire those who can't play within them .
Thierry Henry cheated against Ireland,deliberate handball lead to the winning goal,rarely mentioned,If Maradona had done that to any other country nobody would have given a toss.Cheating is now part of the game,all the time players dive,feign injury,try to get opponents sent off,Lineker and Owen both went down very easily in world cup matches.Cyclists,athletes take drugs,none of this is right but Maradona was not the only guy who ever cheated on a sports field.(I remember Garth Crooks punching one in a Selhurst Park).
v Norwich? Fake diving header? (or is my memory crap)
Good grief! Because of a hand ball? A genius with a football RIP.
If you think he cheated just the once you are naïve. How many of those wonderful performances were fuelled on illegal substances. Remember the camera stare at one world cup? He was a thoroughly obnoxious man who surrounded himself with obnoxious people. But because he was good at football we can overlook all that. What a role model he was. But because he came from a poor background we can overlook all of that.
And just because he may or may not have cheated a few times in a game(yes we all love football but lets remember it is a game) you are glad that a man has lost his life
Wow I actually pitty you, that you can hold that much of a grudge for someone you have never met that you are actually cheering their death.
Where does he indicate he is cheering his death? I think like quite a few, he is simply indifferent.
I think Maradona will always be in
the pantomime villain role as far as most England fans are concerned. The bloke
comes over as though he’s always been a Marmite type character to anyone, let
alone if he scored the winning goal against your nation with his hand to knock em out the World Cup.
He was undoubtedly a brilliant footballer and he certainly seemed to have lived his best life to the end. So, yeah RIP, but I’ll still reserve
the right, as an Englishman and England football supporter, to dislike him as a player
and a cheat
A genuine question. How would you feel if an English player had done this in the same game and got away with it?
It didn’t happen, so how can the question be logically answered......other than by saying “I don’t know.”
I saw a comment online that said ‘the Scottish are so in love with him because he’s curly haired, obese and take copious amounts of drugs. He must remind them of their mothers’
I saw a comment online that said ‘the Scottish are so in love with him because he’s curly haired, obese and take copious amounts of drugs. He must remind them of their mothers’
I think Maradona will always be in
the pantomime villain role as far as most England fans are concerned. The bloke
comes over as though he’s always been a Marmite type character to anyone, let
alone if he scored the winning goal against your nation with his hand to knock em out the World Cup.
He was undoubtedly a brilliant footballer and he certainly seemed to have lived his best life to the end. So, yeah RIP, but I’ll still reserve
the right, as an Englishman and England football supporter, to dislike him as a player
and a cheat
A genuine question. How would you feel if an English player had done this in the same game and got away with it?
It didn’t happen, so how can the question be logically answered......other than by saying “I don’t know.”
I think most people should be able to answer it, and any principled person should be against cheating, who ever the culprit is. Seem to remember Lineker turning down a penalty in an England game, late in his international career.
Good grief! Because of a hand ball? A genius with a football RIP.
If you think he cheated just the once you are naïve. How many of those wonderful performances were fuelled on illegal substances. Remember the camera stare at one world cup? He was a thoroughly obnoxious man who surrounded himself with obnoxious people. But because he was good at football we can overlook all that. What a role model he was. But because he came from a poor background we can overlook all of that.
And just because he may or may not have cheated a few times in a game(yes we all love football but lets remember it is a game) you are glad that a man has lost his life
Wow I actually pitty you, that you can hold that much of a grudge for someone you have never met that you are actually cheering their death.
Its not just the cheating in football. Open your eyes to the other things he did and was. If you are happy to overlook those things because he was good at football, that is fine, that is your view. I'm not glad he has lost his life, I am not cheering his death, I just don't care. That is my view, and like you I'm entitled to one
I think Maradona will always be in
the pantomime villain role as far as most England fans are concerned. The bloke
comes over as though he’s always been a Marmite type character to anyone, let
alone if he scored the winning goal against your nation with his hand to knock em out the World Cup.
He was undoubtedly a brilliant footballer and he certainly seemed to have lived his best life to the end. So, yeah RIP, but I’ll still reserve
the right, as an Englishman and England football supporter, to dislike him as a player
and a cheat
A genuine question. How would you feel if an English player had done this in the same game and got away with it?
It didn’t happen, so how can the question be logically answered......other than by saying “I don’t know.”
I think most people should be able to answer it, and any principled person should be against cheating, who ever the culprit is. Seem to remember Lineker turning down a penalty in an England game, late in his international career.
If we then went on and then won the world cup I would for ever know we did it as a result of “flagrant” cheating. That player would not be considered as a fucking hero by me and he certainly wouldn’t have been considered a national hero either that’s for sure. As a nation, we would certainly have been embarrassed and not rejoiced anything like the Argies did. Can you imagine what Alf Ramsey would have felt and said had a similar thing had have happened in 66.....he’d have wanted to curl up and die.
I'd love to know if any of the posters who've been referring to his drug use/addiction have ever taken drugs themselves. Can't imagine you're all squeaky clean.
more a case that we haven't taken them to enhance our performance in professional sporting capacity
From a 44 year old memory Jimmy Giles did a very similar hand of God goal against Bolton. The Bolton players especially Jim McDonagh went bonkers. Oh how we laughed. As for Maradona the best player of my generation of course he was flawed but what a mad life fame and talent gave him
Wasn't that against Wednesday in the FA Cup ? Right in front of the Covered End ,I was there , but maybe remembering it wrong.
Imagine my Scottish family will be upset with this news. Absolutely loved north of the border.
Anyone ever see get to see him play in the flesh?
My Dad claims he was at Hampden the night Maradona scored his first goal for Argentina. I think around 2,000,000 Scotsmen also claim to have been there, but I think my Dad is telling the truth.
I am a Scot but wasn't there (long way for a friendly from London and I was only 15) but a load of my mates were. It was 1979 and Maradona was 19. He put on a mesmeric display scoring one and making two for Luque. Everyone I have spoken to who was there say how they couldn't believe any player could be that good, let alone a 19 year old. If you haven't seen the film Diego, you should. I thought I knew all about him but there was so much more. His impact, wherever he went was amazing and the stick he took on the field brutal, week in, week out, never stopped him performing.
A cheat who said he didn't cheat when he obviously did. Also a liar and drug taker who was booted out of a world cup for using drugs to boast his performance.
If you admire that more fool you.
Nothing to like there. Compared to Pele . You just can't.
We can compare them based on their footballing ability as they're both footballers. He may not have been the nicest person on the planet, like a significant number of footballers, but as a footballer he was amongst the best
He cheated...that ruins football but he then denied it...liar and cheat. I don't admire that . If you want you can . To me is pointless having rules of we admire those who can't play within them .
Do you apply that to all Charlton and England games?
Stupid question...but I don't countenance cheats. Whst is the point of rules if scurrilous gits get lauded over as a genius when they behave like him. Drugged up cheat for most of his life. Tell me how many Charlton players you know as bad as him.
It’s not a stupid question considering your original statement. It doesn’t matter if someone’s ‘as bad as him’ because according to you, cheating or breaking the rules is abhorrent. Therefore ALL cheating should be viewed the same.
Sorry to see how this thread has turned rancorous, but I’m sure it isnt the only one tonight.
I’ll just say that if I hadnt seen the Maradona film I probably wouldnt even have opened the thread. I really urge everyone to watch it, its one of the finest sport films I’ve seen, from the director of Senna. If you thought the bloke was just a bit of a knob, as I did, it’ll make you think a bit. And you will see the genius, not least in the clip of him on a waterlogged Napoli training pitch.
RIP.
Is that film available on Netflix or something Prague?
It does not seem to be on Netflix now, although I thought that was where I saw it. They have a series called Maradona in Mexico which I haven't tried, but will not show so much of his talent obviously. It may be on HBO and Amazon Prime. But if there's a You Tube of it that will save you a lot of faff.
I'd love to know if any of the posters who've been referring to his drug use/addiction have ever taken drugs themselves. Can't imagine you're all squeaky clean.
When people start ranking me as one of the great footballers of all time, they can then delve into my private life and debate my merits / faults. Maradona is free to indulge but, no matter how skillful he was as aplayer, I think that negates him from being a "great".
When I think of "great" sportsmen / women, I think
of people who were obviously good at their chosen sport, but also competed in
the spirit of the game. I also believe a good sportsman / woman conducts
themselves with some sort of dignity off the pitch as well as on it.
Re' the drug taking in general. Does every person who
chooses to take recreational drugs deserve to be treated as a victim? Sure, I
understand there are addicts who have been preyed upon and taken advantage of,
from all walks of life, from those on the street to the likes of Amy Winehouse etc.
However, I also think there are plenty of people who are completely in control
and binge because they can, and they love it.
I'd love to know if any of the posters who've been referring to his drug use/addiction have ever taken drugs themselves. Can't imagine you're all squeaky clean.
When people start ranking me as one of the great footballers of all time, they can then delve into my private life and debate my merits / faults. Maradona is free to indulge but, no matter how skillful he was as aplayer, I think that negates him from being a "great".
When I think of "great" sportsmen / women, I think
of people who were obviously good at their chosen sport, but also competed in
the spirit of the game. I also believe a good sportsman / woman conducts
themselves with some sort of dignity off the pitch as well as on it.
Re' the drug taking in general. Does every person who
chooses to take recreational drugs deserve to be treated as a victim? Sure, I
understand there are addicts who have been preyed upon and taken advantage of,
from all walks of life, from those on the street to the likes of Amy Winehouse etc.
However, I also think there are plenty of people who are completely in control
and binge because they can, and they love it.
I'd love to know if any of the posters who've been referring to his drug use/addiction have ever taken drugs themselves. Can't imagine you're all squeaky clean.
When people start ranking me as one of the great footballers of all time, they can then delve into my private life and debate my merits / faults. Maradona is free to indulge but, no matter how skillful he was as aplayer, I think that negates him from being a "great".
When I think of "great" sportsmen / women, I think
of people who were obviously good at their chosen sport, but also competed in
the spirit of the game. I also believe a good sportsman / woman conducts
themselves with some sort of dignity off the pitch as well as on it.
Re' the drug taking in general. Does every person who
chooses to take recreational drugs deserve to be treated as a victim? Sure, I
understand there are addicts who have been preyed upon and taken advantage of,
from all walks of life, from those on the street to the likes of Amy Winehouse etc.
However, I also think there are plenty of people who are completely in control
and binge because they can, and they love it.
So you have taken drugs then?
Still trying to work out why them temazi jellies gave me a sore arse
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On the subject of should he have owned up,Should the German keeper have told the ref Lampards shot was 2 foot over the Line,should Atherton have walked when blatantly snicking a ball of Alan Donald,Chris Broad same against the Aussies.Every game you see players appealing for things which they know they are not entitled to,that is cheating,going down looking like you have been shot,that is cheating.RIP Diego one way or another you will not be forgotten.
His subsequent misdemeanours (as described elsewhere in this thread) have also been layered on to this hatred. If these other misdemeanours are true (the drug abuser one certainly is) - then they should make the handball cheating incident pale into insignificance.
The guys was a footballing genius...this is obvious.
His death is obviously very sad for his friends and family - and for those that were positively affected by his life.
It is possible however to be apathetic over the death of a person that had no real impact on your life.
Am I happy that he is dead? No!
Am I particularly upset that he is dead? Again....No.
As for Maradona the best player of my generation of course he was flawed but what a mad life fame and talent gave him
I think like quite a few, he is simply indifferent.
I saw a comment online that said ‘the Scottish are so in love with him because he’s curly haired, obese and take copious amounts of drugs. He must remind them of their mothers’
Its not just the cheating in football. Open your eyes to the other things he did and was. If you are happy to overlook those things because he was good at football, that is fine, that is your view. I'm not glad he has lost his life, I am not cheering his death, I just don't care. That is my view, and like you I'm entitled to one
That player would not be considered as a fucking hero by me and he certainly wouldn’t have been considered a national hero either that’s for sure.
As a nation, we would certainly have been embarrassed and not rejoiced anything like the Argies did.
Can you imagine what Alf Ramsey would have felt and said had a similar thing had have happened in 66.....he’d have wanted to curl up and die.
more a case that we haven't taken them to enhance our performance in professional sporting capacity
Get down, she's gonna blow!
https://www.putlocker.me/diego-maradona/
When I think of "great" sportsmen / women, I think of people who were obviously good at their chosen sport, but also competed in the spirit of the game. I also believe a good sportsman / woman conducts themselves with some sort of dignity off the pitch as well as on it.
Re' the drug taking in general. Does every person who chooses to take recreational drugs deserve to be treated as a victim? Sure, I understand there are addicts who have been preyed upon and taken advantage of, from all walks of life, from those on the street to the likes of Amy Winehouse etc. However, I also think there are plenty of people who are completely in control and binge because they can, and they love it.
Such a shame there's no fans at games right now, as the tributes at Napoli and at Boca Juniors next home game would've been superb to see.
One was a linesman getting a decision wrong.
One was a player making a deliberate attempt to cheat.
I'm not getting in to anything around the comments / thoughts etc around his passing. But that comment does not hold up at all.