Everyone who has the vaccine should be entered into a draw to win a Range Rover.
That should help push up the uptake.
Nearly right Steve: Everyone who has the Vaccines, can have the knowledge they played a part in not only potentially stopping their selves being ill but most importantly, as the vast majority of us won't be sick ourselves; passing the virus on to someone who could die from the pandemic or have long-covid with complications for years to come.
Do the people demonstrating or ignoring the social distancing, not wearing masks in shops, trains and buses or outside in crowds, still not get this salient point? You may be Asymptomatic and a super spreader who has created a chain reaction and pushed the R up.
Nice try, but the characters you are referring to just don't give a toss.
In their minds, everyone else is 'the mug' ... while they carry on oblivious.
It will happen at Christmas ... "no-one's gonna stop me seeing all six of my kids. Boris will. Why shouldn't I?"
There will already be some bright sparks from Tier 3 areas planning to get tickets for tomorrow by calling in a favour from a mate who lives in Tier 2.
I have changed my position on taking the vaccine to being more likely to take it, although I am still wary of long term complications.
Carrying a vaccine passport is too much though. Smacks of a police state.
Does it though? Don't you have a regular passport for when you want to go abroad? Or a license that allows you to drive? Did you not register your house when you bought it, or sign countless EULAs whenever you signed up to anything online? When you were younger did you carry ID so you could get served in a pub? We're required to carry identification or sign up to registration agreements in almost every facet of daily life and have been for a long, long time. It's really not that different to needing ID to be served in a pub, except in this case you need to show you're not a walking plague vector. I don't think that needing to show that you're both over 18 and have been vaccinated against a global pandemic to go to the pub will tip us over into police state territory
The only ID I carry regularly is my work ID and debit/credit cards. I have never carried proof of house ownership and when I was drinking under age never had or needed ID in a pub. They either served me or didn’t. I don’t know what an EULA is, so don’t know if I’ve ever carried one with me. The obsession with ID is relatively recent in this country and I’m not convinced it’s made anything better. Apart from ID providers profits.
I think you've missed my point completely. I'm not saying that you carry all those things with you, the point is that you have those things, and seemingly willingly live in the environment where this happens regularly. No-one needs you to carry your house ownership with you but you've still let the state know where you live. If the police see you in your car they can run your license plate and through your insurance identify where you live. Your experience of not being ID'd in a pub is irrelevant; you still need ID if you are to be served in a pub, some places just either judge based on your appearance or don't care. I'm sure if a pub owner could tell you were vaccinated by your appearance then they wouldn't ID you, and I've no doubt that plenty of places would flout a vaccine passport rule anyway if they thought they could get away with it. Also you've actually said it yourself; when you were trying to illegally drink you were either allowed to or not. That's exactly what would be happening with a vaccine passport. All these things are just as intrusive as needing a document to be allowed to go into a shop or bar so a global pandemic can be halted, so I don't know why you think that would be going too far.
It doesn’t breach anything unless someone forces him to have the vaccine. Guido Fawkes is total and utter anyway so let’s move on. It’s total Guido bollox. Pilkington has never said any such thing.
He tweeted it. What makes you think it's not true?
People do delete tweets, you know.
Why criticise the news source for simply reporting it? It is not their fault if Pilkington's interpretation is incorrect.
Do you criticise the BBC when they report news you don't like?
Everyone who has the vaccine should be entered into a draw to win a Range Rover.
That should help push up the uptake.
Nearly right Steve: Everyone who has the Vaccines, can have the knowledge they played a part in not only potentially stopping their selves being ill but most importantly, as the vast majority of us won't be sick ourselves; passing the virus on to someone who could die from the pandemic or have long-covid with complications for years to come.
Do the people demonstrating or ignoring the social distancing, not wearing masks in shops, trains and buses or outside in crowds, still not get this salient point? You may be Asymptomatic and a super spreader who has created a chain reaction and pushed the R up.
I have changed my position on taking the vaccine to being more likely to take it, although I am still wary of long term complications.
Carrying a vaccine passport is too much though. Smacks of a police state.
Does it though? Don't you have a regular passport for when you want to go abroad? Or a license that allows you to drive? Did you not register your house when you bought it, or sign countless EULAs whenever you signed up to anything online? When you were younger did you carry ID so you could get served in a pub? We're required to carry identification or sign up to registration agreements in almost every facet of daily life and have been for a long, long time. It's really not that different to needing ID to be served in a pub, except in this case you need to show you're not a walking plague vector. I don't think that needing to show that you're both over 18 and have been vaccinated against a global pandemic to go to the pub will tip us over into police state territory
The only ID I carry regularly is my work ID and debit/credit cards. I have never carried proof of house ownership and when I was drinking under age never had or needed ID in a pub. They either served me or didn’t. I don’t know what an EULA is, so don’t know if I’ve ever carried one with me. The obsession with ID is relatively recent in this country and I’m not convinced it’s made anything better. Apart from ID providers profits.
I think you've missed my point completely. I'm not saying that you carry all those things with you, the point is that you have those things, and seemingly willingly live in the environment where this happens regularly. No-one needs you to carry your house ownership with you but you've still let the state know where you live. If the police see you in your car they can run your license plate and through your insurance identify where you live. Your experience of not being ID'd in a pub is irrelevant; you still need ID if you are to be served in a pub, some places just either judge based on your appearance or don't care. I'm sure if a pub owner could tell you were vaccinated by your appearance then they wouldn't ID you, and I've no doubt that plenty of places would flout a vaccine passport rule anyway if they thought they could get away with it. Also you've actually said it yourself; when you were trying to illegally drink you were either allowed to or not. That's exactly what would be happening with a vaccine passport. All these things are just as intrusive as needing a document to be allowed to go into a shop or bar so a global pandemic can be halted, so I don't know why you think that would be going too far.
If people don’t want the vaccine it really doesn’t bother me. I think they’re foolish beyond belief but the world is full of people foolish beyond belief.
If vegans do not wish to be vaccinated it's up to them and inconsequential in the scheme of things.
Unless others die as a result?
I'll start worrying about the 2% vegans and other anti vaccers if the take up rate is only 60% ish.
Phew!
That's OK then.
I'm not sure there is a definitive figure but 70% is said to be required for herd immunity. So if we've got 70% plus already, 2% or less vegans is not essential. If we're only at 60% level and need another 10% at least, then 2% is important.
If vegans do not wish to be vaccinated it's up to them and inconsequential in the scheme of things.
Unless others die as a result?
I'll start worrying about the 2% vegans and other anti vaccers if the take up rate is only 60% ish.
Phew!
That's OK then.
I'm not sure there is a definitive figure but 70% is said to be required for herd immunity. So if we've got 70% plus already, 2% or less vegans is not essential. If we're only at 60% level and need another 10% at least, then 2% is important.
I'll go round administering it to em with blowpipe if it comes to that mate
If vegans do not wish to be vaccinated it's up to them and inconsequential in the scheme of things.
Unless others die as a result?
I'll start worrying about the 2% vegans and other anti vaccers if the take up rate is only 60% ish.
Phew!
That's OK then.
I'm not sure there is a definitive figure but 70% is said to be required for herd immunity. So if we've got 70% plus already, 2% or less vegans is not essential. If we're only at 60% level and need another 10% at least, then 2% is important.
I'll go round administering it to em with blowjobs if it comes to that mate
I’ll pass on that thanks mate, I’ll take the needle instead.
If vegans do not wish to be vaccinated it's up to them and inconsequential in the scheme of things.
Unless others die as a result?
I'll start worrying about the 2% vegans and other anti vaccers if the take up rate is only 60% ish.
Phew!
That's OK then.
I'm not sure there is a definitive figure but 70% is said to be required for herd immunity. So if we've got 70% plus already, 2% or less vegans is not essential. If we're only at 60% level and need another 10% at least, then 2% is important.
I'll go round administering it to em with blowpipe if it comes to that mate
Don’t like killing animals but don’t mind humans dying. That would be very we weird. Sometimes you gotta look at the big picture guys.
Must’ve missed where any vegans have said they don’t mind humans dying.
Anyhoo, to stop this going off topic I think it would be wise to divert this discussion away from the ethical beliefs of a minority of the population as Covered End rightly points out. We can always revisit it if it becomes necessary.
If vegans do not wish to be vaccinated it's up to them and inconsequential in the scheme of things.
Unless others die as a result?
I'll start worrying about the 2% vegans and other anti vaccers if the take up rate is only 60% ish.
Phew!
That's OK then.
I'm not sure there is a definitive figure but 70% is said to be required for herd immunity. So if we've got 70% plus already, 2% or less vegans is not essential. If we're only at 60% level and need another 10% at least, then 2% is important.
I'll go round administering it to em with blowpipe if it comes to that mate
What’s the range of your blow pipe?
Easy got 10m with the McDonalds straw and chewed up napkin, see no reason why I couldn't double that
If vegans do not wish to be vaccinated it's up to them and inconsequential in the scheme of things.
Unless others die as a result?
I'll start worrying about the 2% vegans and other anti vaccers if the take up rate is only 60% ish.
Phew!
That's OK then.
I'm not sure there is a definitive figure but 70% is said to be required for herd immunity. So if we've got 70% plus already, 2% or less vegans is not essential. If we're only at 60% level and need another 10% at least, then 2% is important.
I'll go round administering it to em with blowpipe if it comes to that mate
What’s the range of your blow pipe?
Easy got 10m with the McDonalds straw and chewed up napkin, see no reason why I couldn't double that
Don’t like killing animals but don’t mind humans dying. That would be very we weird. Sometimes you gotta look at the big picture guys.
Must’ve missed where any vegans have said they don’t mind humans dying.
Anyhoo, to stop this going off topic I think it would be wise to divert this discussion away from the ethical beliefs of a minority of the population as Covered End rightly points out. We can always revisit it if it becomes necessary.
I don't think it's about vegans saying that they don't mind humans dying.
Nice try ... but it is about acting thoughtlessly such that humans do die.
And, yes ... let's divert the discussion as you don't have sensible counter-arguments.
2% vegans in the World? Maybe. I make that about 160 million worldwide.
And it only takes one selfish, thoughtless individual to be responsible for the death of another, innocent person.
Some people are going to make a bundle out of all this. Just like they do out of wars.
With the China Virus, there is a 99% + survival rate, depending on age group and any pre-existing conditions.
Unfortunately there are some fatalities but there are usually many more from the seasonal flu which has miraculously disappeared. It's all 'Covid' now.
The top 'Expert' in the USA - Dr. Fauci is now saying that even after the vaccine, masks and social distancing will still need to be in place.
The Canadian Prime Minister has just announced that 'Covid' is providing an opportunity for a societal 'Reset'.
I happen to feel all this controlling of the populace has a lot more to it than our 'safety'.
Just my opinion, of course, based on what I have read.
Utter rubbish. Seasonal flu in the uk has an average death rate (in the last 4 years of data that Public Health England have) or around 12000 per year. Covid19 has killed 4 times that many. From personal experience I have seen Unwell people with both but only with covid19 have I seen someone deteriorate from reasonably stable to near death in under an hour with nothing I do making any difference.
Please tell me what you have read?
I have no problem with people being cautious about taking the vaccine. I have a problem with people reading Ill-informed rubbish online and thinking they are an expert.
I have often been concerned with free-speech as it means stupid people have it too.
Funnily enough, professor, the world does not revolve around Brit bureaucrat statistics. Try looking beyond the little Island. Honestly, there is actually a world out there.
Utter rubbish is a typical response. It is the reason you are so fckud up. Which Tier are you today?
Sorry, Being called stupid by some superior know nothing twit does not sit well with me.
Back on topic, despite living in a beautiful part of the world where we are not terribly affected by the restrictions, if having a jab meant I could fly back home, see my mates, enjoy the pub and most of all, get to the Valley, stick me now.
Don’t like killing animals but don’t mind humans dying. That would be very we weird. Sometimes you gotta look at the big picture guys.
Must’ve missed where any vegans have said they don’t mind humans dying.
Anyhoo, to stop this going off topic I think it would be wise to divert this discussion away from the ethical beliefs of a minority of the population as Covered End rightly points out. We can always revisit it if it becomes necessary.
I don't think it's about vegans saying that they don't mind humans dying.
Nice try ... but it is about acting thoughtlessly such that humans do die.
And, yes ... let's divert the discussion as you don't have sensible counter-arguments.
2% vegans in the World? Maybe. I make that about 160 million worldwide.
And it only takes one selfish, thoughtless individual to be responsible for the death of another, innocent person.
Your point is?
I didn’t really have a point, I was just picking up on something another poster had implied so there was no real reason for you to butt in with such a condescending response. You prove to me, with sources, that not a single vegan will take the vaccine thus endangering the lives of others and maybe I’ll discuss it with you. Until then I have no interest in your self righteous muttering.
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In their minds, everyone else is 'the mug' ... while they carry on oblivious.
It will happen at Christmas ... "no-one's gonna stop me seeing all six of my kids. Boris will. Why shouldn't I?"
There will already be some bright sparks from Tier 3 areas planning to get tickets for tomorrow by calling in a favour from a mate who lives in Tier 2.
People do delete tweets, you know.
Why criticise the news source for simply reporting it? It is not their fault if Pilkington's interpretation is incorrect.
Do you criticise the BBC when they report news you don't like?
I asked the very question when I was asked if I was allergic to eggs when I had mine last week.
In terms of the Covid-19 vaccine, would many vegans risk death for their vegan principles?
Presumably it breaches my Human Rights Laws if I am killed though the beliefs of someone else?
That's OK then.
So if we've got 70% plus already, 2% or less vegans is not essential.
If we're only at 60% level and need another 10% at least, then 2% is important.
Sometimes you gotta look at the big picture guys.
I’ll pass on that thanks mate, I’ll take the needle instead.
Anyhoo, to stop this going off topic I think it would be wise to divert this discussion away from the ethical beliefs of a minority of the population as Covered End rightly points out. We can always revisit it if it becomes necessary.
Nice try ... but it is about acting thoughtlessly such that humans do die.
And, yes ... let's divert the discussion as you don't have sensible counter-arguments.
2% vegans in the World? Maybe. I make that about 160 million worldwide.
And it only takes one selfish, thoughtless individual to be responsible for the death of another, innocent person.
Your point is?
I didn’t really have a point, I was just picking up on something another poster had implied so there was no real reason for you to butt in with such a condescending response. You prove to me, with sources, that not a single vegan will take the vaccine thus endangering the lives of others and maybe I’ll discuss it with you. Until then I have no interest in your self righteous muttering.
The UK has become the first country in the world to approve the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine for widespread use.
British regulator, the MHRA, says the jab, which offers up to 95% protection against Covid-19 illness, is safe for roll out.
Immunisations could start within days for people in high priority groups.
The UK has already ordered 40m doses - enough to vaccinate 20m people, with two shots each.
Around 10m doses should be available soon.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55145696