Vaccine Minister suggests bars, cinemas and football stadiums could BAN Brits who haven’t had jab as he admits No10 is looking at ‘immunity passports’.
Said earlier in this thread that this could happen so no surprise to me. I think people should get the jab, but not sure about this.
Seems sensible to me. I’ve had to carry a vaccination card and a yellow fever cert when travelling where necessary to gain entry (though mainly to avoid getting fleeced by corrupt border officials) so its not that big a deal but probably easily forged. Given the government’s record with the test and trace app i’d Question it’s ability to introduce an immunity passport
I don’t see it happening if I’m honest. Too difficult and controversial for government to organise and police in most everyday circumstances but I can see it happening for international travel where airlines and even countries will require proof before flying and border entry.
The way forward before large numbers of the population are vaccinated is mass community testing like we saw in Liverpool. Just like the vaccine, this needs to be prioritised to high infection areas. Until we see this become available practically everywhere then restriction tiers and lockdowns will be the only real weapons available.
I have no idea just how easy or otherwise it will be for the government to get these tests in enough numbers but it has to be a real priority.
Vaccine Minister suggests bars, cinemas and football stadiums could BAN Brits who haven’t had jab as he admits No10 is looking at ‘immunity passports’.
Said earlier in this thread that this could happen so no surprise to me. I think people should get the jab, but not sure about this.
Gove has just now said that isn’t the plan. Shame, because I think it’s a rather good one.
I have been proposing the app passport suggestion for a while so am not going to disagree with it. How I see it working and how I think the Government have proposed it is premises etc... can chose whether they make a condition of entry app only. For those of us who have had the vaccination, we may prefer to choose these venues over others especially as it is unlikely there will be a 100% effective vaccination.
I see it as a freedom not to have to share a venue with selfish bastards who pose a risk to my family.
Vaccine Minister suggests bars, cinemas and football stadiums could BAN Brits who haven’t had jab as he admits No10 is looking at ‘immunity passports’.
Said earlier in this thread that this could happen so no surprise to me. I think people should get the jab, but not sure about this.
Gove has just now said that isn’t the plan. Shame, because I think it’s a rather good one.
Vaccines Minister in I don’t know what the fuck is going on shock.
Vaccine Minister suggests bars, cinemas and football stadiums could BAN Brits who haven’t had jab as he admits No10 is looking at ‘immunity passports’.
Said earlier in this thread that this could happen so no surprise to me. I think people should get the jab, but not sure about this.
I'm not sure I have too much of a problem with this. If it can't be made mandatory (I agree it shouldn't) then a carrot and stick approach is not unreasonable.
I agree, but I am pretty sure this would be illegal and would never get through Parliament even with their special powers on all things COVID-19, but a strange time to put this out when they haven’t vaccinated anyone yet. In fact it is strange coming from Government.
If it is a stick/ carrot I would have thought this would be better timed for when you have all the vaccine you need and are trying to persuade more to take it.
As soon as I get the chance to have the vaccine I will.
I do lots of other (legal booze not cigarettes) things that aren’t good for me apparently and have been lucky so far. I don’t one other thing is going to make much difference.
I have been proposing the app passport suggestion for a while so am not going to disagree with it. How I see it working and how I think the Government have proposed it is premises etc... can chose whether they make a condition of entry app only. For those of us who have had the vaccination, we may prefer to choose these venues over others especially as it is unlikely there will be a 100% effective vaccination.
I see it as a freedom not to have to share a venue with selfish bastards who pose a risk to my family.
1. Not everyone has a smart phone.
2. Pubs, restaurants, Cinemas etc forced will be forced to turn custom away and go to the expense of employing door staff. 3. The vaccination uptake is likely to be north of 75% so herd immunity will have the greatest impact.
4. Too controversial for any government to legislate for this.
I’m not opposed myself but it’s unworkable in law.
I have changed my position on taking the vaccine to being more likely to take it, although I am still wary of long term complications.
Carrying a vaccine passport is too much though. Smacks of a police state.
Does it though? Don't you have a regular passport for when you want to go abroad? Or a license that allows you to drive? Did you not register your house when you bought it, or sign countless EULAs whenever you signed up to anything online? When you were younger did you carry ID so you could get served in a pub? We're required to carry identification or sign up to registration agreements in almost every facet of daily life and have been for a long, long time. It's really not that different to needing ID to be served in a pub, except in this case you need to show you're not a walking plague vector. I don't think that needing to show that you're both over 18 and have been vaccinated against a global pandemic to go to the pub will tip us over into police state territory
It’s going to take many many months to get even half the population vaccinated. How long after the vaccination programme starts do you wait before implementing the “passport” ? How do you tell a 30 year old who probably won’t even be offered a vaccination until next winter at the earliest that he hasn’t got a passport so can’t enter. By the time every person who wants the vaccine has had it, leaving only the refuseniks left we’ll be into 2022.The logistics of implementing and policing a passport are totally unworkable.
You can't bring in such a system and not ensure everybody who wants one can have one. In terms of a police state, I think the system would allow businesses to insist on the passport and others businesses not.
For those that do, people who have been self isolating etc... can attend them far more safely. And importantly, feel safer doing so.
You can't bring in such a system and not ensure everybody who wants one can have one. In terms of a police state, I think the system would allow businesses to insist on the passport and others businesses not.
For those that do, people who have been self isolating etc... can attend them far more safely. And importantly, feel safer doing so.
By the time everyone that wants one is vaccinated, herd immunity will be well under way. That’s where we’ll hopefully be by the end of 2021 and certainly by 2022. Passports won’t be needed.
I believe that some people who want to travel will need a vaccine passport, cruise lines will almost certainly require one, a lot of countries on entry will want to see one, airlines might well require something, but I don’t think there will be a requirement internally of the UK to show one for entering stadiums / entertainment venues etc. So my feeling is going outside the Uk it will become more and more of a problem if you have not to been vaccinated.
I have changed my position on taking the vaccine to being more likely to take it, although I am still wary of long term complications.
Carrying a vaccine passport is too much though. Smacks of a police state.
Does it though? Don't you have a regular passport for when you want to go abroad? Or a license that allows you to drive? Did you not register your house when you bought it, or sign countless EULAs whenever you signed up to anything online? When you were younger did you carry ID so you could get served in a pub? We're required to carry identification or sign up to registration agreements in almost every facet of daily life and have been for a long, long time. It's really not that different to needing ID to be served in a pub, except in this case you need to show you're not a walking plague vector. I don't think that needing to show that you're both over 18 and have been vaccinated against a global pandemic to go to the pub will tip us over into police state territory
The only ID I carry regularly is my work ID and debit/credit cards. I have never carried proof of house ownership and when I was drinking under age never had or needed ID in a pub. They either served me or didn’t. I don’t know what an EULA is, so don’t know if I’ve ever carried one with me. The obsession with ID is relatively recent in this country and I’m not convinced it’s made anything better. Apart from ID providers profits.
I have changed my position on taking the vaccine to being more likely to take it, although I am still wary of long term complications.
Carrying a vaccine passport is too much though. Smacks of a police state.
Does it though? Don't you have a regular passport for when you want to go abroad? Or a license that allows you to drive? Did you not register your house when you bought it, or sign countless EULAs whenever you signed up to anything online? When you were younger did you carry ID so you could get served in a pub? We're required to carry identification or sign up to registration agreements in almost every facet of daily life and have been for a long, long time. It's really not that different to needing ID to be served in a pub, except in this case you need to show you're not a walking plague vector. I don't think that needing to show that you're both over 18 and have been vaccinated against a global pandemic to go to the pub will tip us over into police state territory
The only ID I carry regularly is my work ID and debit/credit cards. I have never carried proof of house ownership and when I was drinking under age never had or needed ID in a pub. They either served me or didn’t. I don’t know what an EULA is, so don’t know if I’ve ever carried one with me. The obsession with ID is relatively recent in this country and I’m not convinced it’s made anything better. Apart from ID providers profits.
I have changed my position on taking the vaccine to being more likely to take it, although I am still wary of long term complications.
Carrying a vaccine passport is too much though. Smacks of a police state.
Does it though? Don't you have a regular passport for when you want to go abroad? Or a license that allows you to drive? Did you not register your house when you bought it, or sign countless EULAs whenever you signed up to anything online? When you were younger did you carry ID so you could get served in a pub? We're required to carry identification or sign up to registration agreements in almost every facet of daily life and have been for a long, long time. It's really not that different to needing ID to be served in a pub, except in this case you need to show you're not a walking plague vector. I don't think that needing to show that you're both over 18 and have been vaccinated against a global pandemic to go to the pub will tip us over into police state territory
The only ID I carry regularly is my work ID and debit/credit cards. I have never carried proof of house ownership and when I was drinking under age never had or needed ID in a pub. They either served me or didn’t. I don’t know what an EULA is, so don’t know if I’ve ever carried one with me. The obsession with ID is relatively recent in this country and I’m not convinced it’s made anything better. Apart from ID providers profits.
I think you've missed my point completely. I'm not saying that you carry all those things with you, the point is that you have those things, and seemingly willingly live in the environment where this happens regularly. No-one needs you to carry your house ownership with you but you've still let the state know where you live. If the police see you in your car they can run your license plate and through your insurance identify where you live. Your experience of not being ID'd in a pub is irrelevant; you still need ID if you are to be served in a pub, some places just either judge based on your appearance or don't care. I'm sure if a pub owner could tell you were vaccinated by your appearance then they wouldn't ID you, and I've no doubt that plenty of places would flout a vaccine passport rule anyway if they thought they could get away with it. Also you've actually said it yourself; when you were trying to illegally drink you were either allowed to or not. That's exactly what would be happening with a vaccine passport. All these things are just as intrusive as needing a document to be allowed to go into a shop or bar so a global pandemic can be halted, so I don't know why you think that would be going too far.
Everyone who has the vaccine should be entered into a draw to win a Range Rover.
That should help push up the uptake.
Nearly right Steve: Everyone who has the Vaccines, can have the knowledge they played a part in not only potentially stopping their selves being ill but most importantly, as the vast majority of us won't be sick ourselves; passing the virus on to someone who could die from the pandemic or have long-covid with complications for years to come.
Do the people demonstrating or ignoring the social distancing, not wearing masks in shops, trains and buses or outside in crowds, still not get this salient point? You may be Asymptomatic and a super spreader who has created a chain reaction and pushed the R up.
It doesn’t breach anything unless someone forces him to have the vaccine. Guido Fawkes is total and utter anyway so let’s move on. It’s total Guido bollox. Pilkington has never said any such thing.
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The ones rolled out at The Valley will have 14.
I see it as a freedom not to have to share a venue with selfish bastards who pose a risk to my family.
If it is a stick/ carrot I would have thought this would be better timed for when you have all the vaccine you need and are trying to persuade more to take it.
3. The vaccination uptake is likely to be north of 75% so herd immunity will have the greatest impact.
That should help push up the uptake.
For those that do, people who have been self isolating etc... can attend them far more safely. And importantly, feel safer doing so.
I don’t know what an EULA is, so don’t know if I’ve ever carried one with me.
The obsession with ID is relatively recent in this country and I’m not convinced it’s made anything better. Apart from ID providers profits.
Nearly right Steve:
Everyone who has the Vaccines, can have the knowledge they played a part in not only potentially stopping their selves being ill but most importantly, as the vast majority of us won't be sick ourselves; passing the virus on to someone who could die from the pandemic or have long-covid with complications for years to come.
Do the people demonstrating or ignoring the social distancing, not wearing masks in shops, trains and buses or outside in crowds, still not get this salient point? You may be Asymptomatic and a super spreader who has created a chain reaction and pushed the R up.