Crowd Trouble at Portsmouth v Southampton (7 fans jailed for combined 12 years)

SporadicAddick

I thought the Southampton thing with us was quite old. Not my thing, but I certainly remember it being very lively at London Bridge one year when we were at Selhurst, and assumed it went back many years beyond that...

Chippycafc

charltonbob said:

Big William said:

stonemuse said:

DA9 said:

AFKABartram said:

Not an aficionado on these things, but always thought these were the two non-local clubs we’ve had grumbling with over the years.

Classed them as our riviera version of northerners, and with Bristol probably the three toughest areas south of Birmingham. Must be the docks culture. 

Correct, Pompey goes way back to the 80’s, Southampton last 20 years

Trouble at Pompey and Southampton goes back to the 70s. 

From when I started going (late 60's), probably until we left The Valley, the chief source of problems down there other than certain London clubs, were Pompey and Cardiff. Southampton and Forest used to go in the Covered end and make a pest of themselves as well. This dates back to when people could walk around the ground at will, which seems bizarre now.

I'm not an fan of this stuff particularly, but there was a long running story that when Chelsea came down to Div 2 in the 70's, Plymouth turned up in the shed and were "pwoper norty" - this in the days when pwoper norty was pwoper norty if you see what I mean. Must be all that cider they drink.

Funnily enough I don't remember Southampton coming down & causing any problem ever (I don't think they caused a problem at Maze Hill apart from some Charlton getting nicked) until a small group went in the Connie club & after getting lairy were told to leave & they smashed a glass pane in the door as they went which was a big mistake on their part. Just thought, didn't a group go in the Lib before the game & start throwing glasses at people ?

Indeed it did kick of in the lib, it was bizarre everything was fine, then about 14.30 a couple of them came through the back door and a few punches were thrown in the club, it was over as quick as it started.

ElfsborgAddick

A couple of years after the Southampton away game I had my Charlton tattoo done in a studio around the corner from the Bear and Ragged Staff.  The governor told me what the score was.

Around 30-40 of his lot went down purely for a drink and a day out.  Anyway, they had split up and one of the group went into the 'wrong pub' and got done.  As a result a meet was arranged for Maze Hill which became a bit of a mis match.  Our old boys against their yoof only ended up one way, we got the equaliser.

DaveMehmet

DA9 said:

stonemuse said:

DA9 said:

AFKABartram said:

Not an aficionado on these things, but always thought these were the two non-local clubs we’ve had grumbling with over the years.

Classed them as our riviera version of northerners, and with Bristol probably the three toughest areas south of Birmingham. Must be the docks culture. 

Correct, Pompey goes way back to the 80’s, Southampton last 20 years

Trouble at Pompey and Southampton goes back to the 70s. 

I’m talking more about afkas question over charlton “Hoolie” run ins with them.
No doubt there was trouble before, as any game has potential for it, no matter who the club, but Pompey trouble rose significantly early to mid 80’s, a near on riot at selhurst in 85/86 at the ship pub in Norwood junction, to golf balls and flare guns in Leicester Square.
Saints games became more of a hoolie rivalry due to maze hill (although that wasn’t the catalyst, their home fixture in Nov 2001 was) and subsequent incidents at st Mary’s and outside the liberal club after these dates 

I walked past The Ship that day as it all kicked off, what fun! Have mentioned it before but a few of us, including @Tavern got surrounded by Pompey as we went for a drink in Manhattans at Upton Park after we'd played them.

We couldn't run and just stood outside looking at each other with 'what the fuck do we do now' looks on our faces and prepared to receive a hiding considering how many of them there were!

After what seemed like ages, Mick Rogers (the copper who was assigned to Charlton) came along, saw what was happening, ordered a van to block the entrance to the pub and told us to scarper while a few coppers tried to hold them back. 

Luckily one of our mates had a van parked around the corner and we all piled into that and fucked off sharpish.

DA9

ElfsborgAddick said:I

A couple of years after the Southampton away game I had my Charlton tattoo done in a studio around the corner from the Bear and Ragged Staff.  The governor told me what the score was.

Around 30-40 of his lot went down purely for a drink and a day out.  Anyway, they had split up and one of the group went into the 'wrong pub' and got done.  As a result a meet was arranged for Maze Hill which became a bit of a mis match.  Our old boys against their yoof only ended up one way, we got the equaliser.

Your talking about Inkman G?

Nobody from Charlton got done in the wrong pub, yes, it was the wrong pub (The Parkside) however, what caused saints hoolies anger (it was there regular pub) was the fact that the 7-8 Charlton who were in there took attack as the best form of defence and basically embarrassed them, the whole pub taking a step back and wouldn’t get close to our group. OB then got us out and what followed was a 10 minute walk to the stadium with an OB escort with random groups of saints trying to attack the heavily escorted Charlton group, all repelled.

That was the catalyst, hence phone numbers were swapped via other people from the England scene, the majority (not all) involved in that pub and at maze hill were the same people.

Even writing this I shudder, but it’s what happened. 

DA9

DaveMehmet said:

DA9 said:

stonemuse said:

DA9 said:

AFKABartram said:

Not an aficionado on these things, but always thought these were the two non-local clubs we’ve had grumbling with over the years.

Classed them as our riviera version of northerners, and with Bristol probably the three toughest areas south of Birmingham. Must be the docks culture. 

Correct, Pompey goes way back to the 80’s, Southampton last 20 years

Trouble at Pompey and Southampton goes back to the 70s. 

I’m talking more about afkas question over charlton “Hoolie” run ins with them.
No doubt there was trouble before, as any game has potential for it, no matter who the club, but Pompey trouble rose significantly early to mid 80’s, a near on riot at selhurst in 85/86 at the ship pub in Norwood junction, to golf balls and flare guns in Leicester Square.
Saints games became more of a hoolie rivalry due to maze hill (although that wasn’t the catalyst, their home fixture in Nov 2001 was) and subsequent incidents at st Mary’s and outside the liberal club after these dates 

I walked past The Ship that day as it all kicked off, what fun! Have mentioned it before but a few of us, including @Tavern got surrounded by Pompey as we went for a drink in Manhattans at Upton Park after we'd played them.

We couldn't run and just stood outside looking at each other with 'what the fuck do we do now' looks on our faces and prepared to receive a hiding considering how many of them there were!

After what seemed like ages, Mick Rogers (the copper who was assigned to Charlton) came along, saw what was happening, ordered a van to block the entrance to the pub and told us to scarper while a few coppers tried to hold them back. 

Luckily one of our mates had a van parked around the corner and we all piled into that and fucked off sharpish.

RIP Mick Rogers, decent fella 

ElfsborgAddick

DA9 said:

ElfsborgAddick said:I

A couple of years after the Southampton away game I had my Charlton tattoo done in a studio around the corner from the Bear and Ragged Staff.  The governor told me what the score was.

Around 30-40 of his lot went down purely for a drink and a day out.  Anyway, they had split up and one of the group went into the 'wrong pub' and got done.  As a result a meet was arranged for Maze Hill which became a bit of a mis match.  Our old boys against their yoof only ended up one way, we got the equaliser.

Your talking about Inkman G?

Nobody from Charlton got done in the wrong pub, yes, it was the wrong pub (The Parkside) however, what caused saints hoolies anger (it was there regular pub) was the fact that the 7-8 Charlton who were in there took attack as the best form of defence and basically embarrassed them, the whole pub taking a step back and wouldn’t get close to our group. OB then got us out and what followed was a 10 minute walk to the stadium with an OB escort with random groups of saints trying to attack the heavily escorted Charlton group, all repelled.

That was the catalyst, hence phone numbers were swapped via other people from the England scene, the majority (not all) involved in that pub and at maze hill were the same people.

Even writing this I shudder, but it’s what happened. 

No idea of the guys name, he was very pleasant.  Am only passing on what I was told, not disputing your post at all.

DA9

JElfsborgAddick said:

DA9 said:

ElfsborgAddick said:I

A couple of years after the Southampton away game I had my Charlton tattoo done in a studio around the corner from the Bear and Ragged Staff.  The governor told me what the score was.

Around 30-40 of his lot went down purely for a drink and a day out.  Anyway, they had split up and one of the group went into the 'wrong pub' and got done.  As a result a meet was arranged for Maze Hill which became a bit of a mis match.  Our old boys against their yoof only ended up one way, we got the equaliser.

Your talking about Inkman G?

Nobody from Charlton got done in the wrong pub, yes, it was the wrong pub (The Parkside) however, what caused saints hoolies anger (it was there regular pub) was the fact that the 7-8 Charlton who were in there took attack as the best form of defence and basically embarrassed them, the whole pub taking a step back and wouldn’t get close to our group. OB then got us out and what followed was a 10 minute walk to the stadium with an OB escort with random groups of saints trying to attack the heavily escorted Charlton group, all repelled.

That was the catalyst, hence phone numbers were swapped via other people from the England scene, the majority (not all) involved in that pub and at maze hill were the same people.

Even writing this I shudder, but it’s what happened. 

No idea of the guys name, he was very pleasant.  Am only passing on what I was told, not disputing your post at all.

I get that, just pointing out a few facts, it sounds like G as he said “his/my lot” 
he wasn’t at either incident for any prying eyes 😎

Oggy Red

clb74 said:

@Oggy Red can you still get a 3 bed in Plymouth for 100k

Definitely. It might be a squat or burned out.