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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,626
    They are resting areas but not places to live. I dare say overnight stays will occur but this is not accommodation in the sense of digs.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,987
    Let’s take this over to Macros
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    They are resting areas but not places to live. I dare say overnight stays will occur but this is not accommodation in the sense of digs.
    It's not being explained as such, but it seems strange to me that they're having fully self contained units for "players to rest in". Can understand a quite room to wind down in, but don't players just get given rest days?
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    ValleyGary said:
    Let’s take this over to Macros
    By the vegetable isle
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    seth plum said:8
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    "You do make me laugh Seth. 

    Every year without fail fail you end up in some meaningless debate about an event you have zero likelihood in attending. "

    Yet there's no agenda....

    Your first post had no question, as paddy had claimed:

    "Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food"

    Unless one has an agenda there is no reason a football clubs training facilities need a seperate vegetarian cooking area.

    So not wrong.

    Yes wrong.
    What on earth 'agenda' is there FFS?
    Sheesh. When the Valley West Stand was being planned a council officer asked about separate changing facilities for female match officials. At the time the question was mocked, yet yesterday we saw the female assistant at Brentford, was the council official asking a question because they had an 'agenda'?
    On this thread my first post was uncontroversial, yet out of a clear blue sky you have created friction not because of what I wrote but because of what looks like your personal antipathy towards me.
    If you wish to pursue your personal attacks do it in a private message.
    No, it's because what you said is ridiculous, the club does not need to provide seperate cooking areas for vegetarians, you only think its to do with personal antipathy as you love playing the victim.

    PaddyP17 said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    PopIcon said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    "You do make me laugh Seth. 

    Every year without fail fail you end up in some meaningless debate about an event you have zero likelihood in attending. "

    Yet there's no agenda....

    Your first post had no question, as paddy had claimed:

    "Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food"

    Unless one has an agenda there is no reason a football clubs training facilities need a seperate vegetarian cooking area.

    So not wrong.

    Just stop now, this is a petulant argument.
    DM one and other if you care that much, because I can assure you no one else does.
    ''Be careful or I'll have a family member come and insult you。 :D
    You think that's how family works? "Come help me fight fires"? Man, your life must be warped.

    See - the thing is, I get on with mine, so yeah, of my own volition I'm happy to stick up for Seth. I'm really, really sorry for you that apparently you have such a transactional view of family that I was doing this as some sort of favour.
    I think that's how your family works, yea, as this not the first time it's happened, luckily my family who use the forum (Hi Mum) would never think of jumping in and throwing personal insults around. Fortunately I get on perfectly well with my family, so not really sure where that comment is coming from either.

    Let's just end this here and you and daddy can stick to PMing people requesting meetups to resolve these issues.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    ValleyGary said:
    Let’s take this over to Macros
    It would seem Seth has been asking other posters to do exactly that, now thatd be a PPV worth paying for. 
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,037
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ValleyGary said:
    Let’s take this over to Macros
    It would seem Seth has been asking other posters to do exactly that, now thatd be a PPV worth paying for. 
    Not the case, and never have I done this either, as you've said above. Strange.

    And the only personal insult I used was "mug". But yes, let's end it here, but remember where it began: with Off_it and subsequently yourself having a go at someone who brought up an idea - which I believe is indeed misguided - and claiming it to be "pushing an agenda" or "playing the victim" and "ridiculous".
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    edited January 2020
    PaddyP17 said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ValleyGary said:
    Let’s take this over to Macros
    It would seem Seth has been asking other posters to do exactly that, now thatd be a PPV worth paying for. 
    Not the case, and never have I done this either, as you've said above. Strange.

    And the only personal insult I used was "mug". But yes, let's end it here, but remember where it began: with Off_it and subsequently yourself having a go at someone who brought up an idea - which I believe is indeed misguided - and claiming it to be "pushing an agenda" or "playing the victim" and "ridiculous".
    You might wanna double check with your dad before you claim it's not the case, mainly because it is the case.

    Thanks for highlighting the 3 key points, now we can get back to discussing our future Cat1 academy.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,047
    edited January 2020
    Only on Charlton Life could the previews of pretty exciting plans to remodel the training ground descend into bickering over the rights and wrongs of a bloody separate vegetarian kitchen.

    This is like that time that a website did a round up of what fans of Championship clubs were talking about on their forums. Everyone else was discussing who should start in defence for their team or whether the manager should be sacked, Charlton fans were debating whether it’s really Christmas dinner if you don’t eat it in “a home”!

    We do love a sidetrack, particularly if we can get some petty point scoring in as well! 
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    seth plum said:8
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    "You do make me laugh Seth. 

    Every year without fail fail you end up in some meaningless debate about an event you have zero likelihood in attending. "

    Yet there's no agenda....

    Your first post had no question, as paddy had claimed:

    "Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food"

    Unless one has an agenda there is no reason a football clubs training facilities need a seperate vegetarian cooking area.

    So not wrong.

    Yes wrong.
    What on earth 'agenda' is there FFS?
    Sheesh. When the Valley West Stand was being planned a council officer asked about separate changing facilities for female match officials. At the time the question was mocked, yet yesterday we saw the female assistant at Brentford, was the council official asking a question because they had an 'agenda'?
    On this thread my first post was uncontroversial, yet out of a clear blue sky you have created friction not because of what I wrote but because of what looks like your personal antipathy towards me.
    If you wish to pursue your personal attacks do it in a private message.
    No, it's because what you said is ridiculous, the club does not need to provide seperate cooking areas for vegetarians, you only think its to do with personal antipathy as you love playing the victim.

    PaddyP17 said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    PopIcon said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    "You do make me laugh Seth. 

    Every year without fail fail you end up in some meaningless debate about an event you have zero likelihood in attending. "

    Yet there's no agenda....

    Your first post had no question, as paddy had claimed:

    "Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food"

    Unless one has an agenda there is no reason a football clubs training facilities need a seperate vegetarian cooking area.

    So not wrong.

    Just stop now, this is a petulant argument.
    DM one and other if you care that much, because I can assure you no one else does.
    ''Be careful or I'll have a family member come and insult you。 :D
    You think that's how family works? "Come help me fight fires"? Man, your life must be warped.

    See - the thing is, I get on with mine, so yeah, of my own volition I'm happy to stick up for Seth. I'm really, really sorry for you that apparently you have such a transactional view of family that I was doing this as some sort of favour.
    I think that's how your family works, yea, as this not the first time it's happened, luckily my family who use the forum (Hi Mum) would never think of jumping in and throwing personal insults around. Fortunately I get on perfectly well with my family, so not really sure where that comment is coming from either.

    Let's just end this here and you and daddy can stick to PMing people requesting meetups to resolve these issues.

    This is my first post on this thread in full:

    Love these plans.
    Memorial garden?
    Car park spaces need double lines like in Bluewater so you don't do in your back squeezing in and out, and for the future each car park space should have a charger for electric cars. Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food, and a little tea hut for spectators at U18 and U23 matches (I will work in there for free if it helps).
    Fantastic plans, love 'em, almost as good a pouring over train timetables.

    You have chosen to select part of it to be insulting and call the point ridiculous.

    I have answered that it is not ridiculous, you have fanned the flames yourself, not me.

    As for PMing and asking for meet ups, would you like me to publish on here my off line conversation with @Off_it in full from December when I was concerned that he or she called me a racist? That way you can get the full picture rather than one side.

    I appreciate you want to 'end things here' which above I invited you to do by taking it private, but you have chosen to continue in this public space. You chose then to continue not to 'end things'.

    As for throwing personal insults around, have you ever heard of the saying 'people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'?
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  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,355
    IF they don't offer a vegetarian Ginsters then sling it out!
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,866
    Nurse, nurse ...... hes out of bed again!
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,742
    edited January 2020
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    They are resting areas but not places to live. I dare say overnight stays will occur but this is not accommodation in the sense of digs.
    That's exactly what they were designed for. It's why I found it surprising the application got through planning. However, this is old, old news. 
  • StrikerFirmani
    StrikerFirmani Posts: 2,743
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    That little trees doing me farkin head in -


    Yea but its not his fault he's not on the far side with the other little trees.
  • Spitfire76
    Spitfire76 Posts: 1,136
    sam3110 said:
    Give it a rest all of you, bloody hell. 

    Don't need to ask for separate areas in kitchens for vegetarian and vegan food, that's already a thing in all professional kitchens worth their salt, and seeing as sports nutrition etc is a forerunner in plant based proteins and fuels, I don't think this will be an issue going forward.

    I'm surprised by the "rest areas" as people have called them, sure look like digs to me, but maybe that's a way to get around certain restrictions on building and planning permission. 
    Wrong wrong wrong 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,280
    Spitfire76 said:
    sam3110 said:
    Give it a rest all of you, bloody hell. 

    Don't need to ask for separate areas in kitchens for vegetarian and vegan food, that's already a thing in all professional kitchens worth their salt, and seeing as sports nutrition etc is a forerunner in plant based proteins and fuels, I don't think this will be an issue going forward.

    I'm surprised by the "rest areas" as people have called them, sure look like digs to me, but maybe that's a way to get around certain restrictions on building and planning permission. 
    Wrong wrong wrong 
    All the kitchens I have worked in have had separated working areas and kitchen flows to minimise cross contamination between high risk foods, vegan/vegetarian and meat, including designated equipment for each
  • Spitfire76
    Spitfire76 Posts: 1,136
    You would have separate chopping boards for meat & vegetables & in some cases separate knives & areas for vegetables but this does not constitute a vegetarian section, knives & equipment are not a legal requirement but only advised by EHO , most chefs use their own knives and I assure you we do not carry a set of vegetarian knives or for any other allergy otherwise we would need an assistant to just carry our knives , proper cleaning practices are sufficient to prevent cross contamination.
    Veggie/vegan is a lifestyle choice but some people have life threatening allergies which rank high up in priority for any kitchen but do you think we have a nut free section with nut free equipment & nut free ovens ,fryers & grills  and then another piece of kitchen with a gluten free section and more ovens etc then a lactose free section and a section & equipment for every eventuality? Maybe the tardis would have this kitchen ? I’ve worked in kitchens for almost 30 years from Claridges to hungry horses from Kent cricket ground to p&o ferries & everything in between and I have never once had a vegetarian section or cooking equipment, I’m sure there are many out there but it’s a very small minority. 
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,814
    So in summary I may be able to augment the clubs income by booking an overnight stay in some luxury hotel rooms above a Michelin starred vegan only kitchen and be able to watch training the next day?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,013
    Spitfire76 said:
    You would have separate chopping boards for meat & vegetables & in some cases separate knives & areas for vegetables but this does not constitute a vegetarian section, knives & equipment are not a legal requirement but only advised by EHO , most chefs use their own knives and I assure you we do not carry a set of vegetarian knives or for any other allergy otherwise we would need an assistant to just carry our knives , proper cleaning practices are sufficient to prevent cross contamination.
    Veggie/vegan is a lifestyle choice but some people have life threatening allergies which rank high up in priority for any kitchen but do you think we have a nut free section with nut free equipment & nut free ovens ,fryers & grills  and then another piece of kitchen with a gluten free section and more ovens etc then a lactose free section and a section & equipment for every eventuality? Maybe the tardis would have this kitchen ? I’ve worked in kitchens for almost 30 years from Claridges to hungry horses from Kent cricket ground to p&o ferries & everything in between and I have never once had a vegetarian section or cooking equipment, I’m sure there are many out there but it’s a very small minority. 
    Right, my mind's made up I'm not going Vegan :smile:
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    StrikerFirmani said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    That little trees doing me farkin head in -


    Yea but its not his fault he's not on the far side with the other little trees.
    StrikerFirmani said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    That little trees doing me farkin head in -


    Yea but its not his fault he's not on the far side with the other little trees.

    That's the Oztumer tree
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  • RaplhMilne
    RaplhMilne Posts: 4,603
    Alwaysneil said:
    So in summary I may be able to augment the clubs income by booking an overnight stay in some luxury hotel rooms above a Michelin starred vegan only kitchen and be able to watch training the next day?
    I am sorry but, throwing fuel on a burning fire is banned on here. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    Alwaysneil said:
    So in summary I may be able to augment the clubs income by booking an overnight stay in some luxury hotel rooms above a Michelin starred vegan only kitchen and be able to watch training the next day?
    Sounds good to me.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    Spitfire76 said:
    You would have separate chopping boards for meat & vegetables & in some cases separate knives & areas for vegetables but this does not constitute a vegetarian section, knives & equipment are not a legal requirement but only advised by EHO , most chefs use their own knives and I assure you we do not carry a set of vegetarian knives or for any other allergy otherwise we would need an assistant to just carry our knives , proper cleaning practices are sufficient to prevent cross contamination.
    Veggie/vegan is a lifestyle choice but some people have life threatening allergies which rank high up in priority for any kitchen but do you think we have a nut free section with nut free equipment & nut free ovens ,fryers & grills  and then another piece of kitchen with a gluten free section and more ovens etc then a lactose free section and a section & equipment for every eventuality? Maybe the tardis would have this kitchen ? I’ve worked in kitchens for almost 30 years from Claridges to hungry horses from Kent cricket ground to p&o ferries & everything in between and I have never once had a vegetarian section or cooking equipment, I’m sure there are many out there but it’s a very small minority. 
    Thanks for clearing up what the club do and don't need，hopefully that will be an end to ridiculous claims.
  • PopIcon
    PopIcon Posts: 5,970
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    Spitfire76 said:
    You would have separate chopping boards for meat & vegetables & in some cases separate knives & areas for vegetables but this does not constitute a vegetarian section, knives & equipment are not a legal requirement but only advised by EHO , most chefs use their own knives and I assure you we do not carry a set of vegetarian knives or for any other allergy otherwise we would need an assistant to just carry our knives , proper cleaning practices are sufficient to prevent cross contamination.
    Veggie/vegan is a lifestyle choice but some people have life threatening allergies which rank high up in priority for any kitchen but do you think we have a nut free section with nut free equipment & nut free ovens ,fryers & grills  and then another piece of kitchen with a gluten free section and more ovens etc then a lactose free section and a section & equipment for every eventuality? Maybe the tardis would have this kitchen ? I’ve worked in kitchens for almost 30 years from Claridges to hungry horses from Kent cricket ground to p&o ferries & everything in between and I have never once had a vegetarian section or cooking equipment, I’m sure there are many out there but it’s a very small minority. 
    Thanks for clearing up what the club do and don't need，hopefully that will be an end to ridiculous claims.
    🤫🤫🤫🤫
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    happyvalley said:
    Do they have separate bedrooms for vegans?
    It’s a little bit more than that. They are building a separate training ground for them. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Serious question.  If the rooms that aren't for living in, but can be slept in, are used is there provision for food avaliable?

    Is where the players eat only open before and after training or is it open longer?  I assume there are staff and academy players there at different times?

    Could someone stay there, for a short timeand get 3 or 4 meals a day there? 
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    AddickUpNorth said:
    ricky_otto said:
    happyvalley said:
    Do they have separate bedrooms for vegans?
    It’s a little bit more than that. They are building a separate training ground for them. 

    Marrows Lane?
    I’ll set them up you knock ‘em in. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Serious question.  If the rooms that aren't for living in, but can be slept in, are used is there provision for food avaliable?

    Is where the players eat only open before and after training or is it open longer?  I assume there are staff and academy players there at different times?

    Could someone stay there, for a short timeand get 3 or 4 meals a day there?

    It's not a prison.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    The bedrooms make sense if we have an early start to an away game and players live a bit of a drive away. A player needs as much rest as possible before a game.
    Useful for SG working all hours during transfer windows as well!

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