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It wasn't a question though, was it, it was a statement on what, in his opinion, the facility needs.PaddyP17 said:
Fair enough to find it baffling or strange. Whatever. But I don't know if anyone else would see it as such a big concern, or as thinking that is so offensive, as to prompt them to comment that Seth is "pushing an agenda".Off_it said:
From memory I believe the two of you are related, so completely understand why you feel the need to jump in.PaddyP17 said:
Don't understand how ensuring your reading comprehension is up to scratch is being selective, but sure.Off_it said:
Lol. Now who's being selective.PaddyP17 said:
I didn't call you a twat and/or dick.Off_it said:
Lol. Who rattled your cage?PaddyP17 said:
Stop acting like a dick. No, the separate kitchen or kitchen area as is stated above (amazing how some have selective reading cognition!) is a question being asked, especially with more and more athletes going vegetarian or vegan. Venus Williams, David Haye, Jermain Defoe, even Neil Robertson the snooker player are vegan. It's a fair consideration if there is a possibility of cross-contamination. Would you expect Muslim athletes - like Naby Sarr, I think, unless I have that very wrong - to be happy if pork product is used without due consideration for cross-contamination?Off_it said:
So are you suggesting that all restaurants should now have two kitchens? Just to satisfy the vegan brigade? You gonna pay for that?seth plum said:
I suspect you already know this, but vegetarians and vegans are wary of cross contamination from meat and fish based stuff, like might happen on the same cooking surfaces, the same utensils and splashing of lard or meat fat or fish oil.Off_it said:
Theres already a separate cooking and food preparation area. It's called a kitchen.seth plum said:Off_it said:
Of course they dont. Ridiculous comment.seth plum said:Love these plans.
Memorial garden?
Car park spaces need double lines like in Bluewater so you don't do in your back squeezing in and out, and for the future each car park space should have a charger for electric cars. Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food, and a little tea hut for spectators at U18 and U23 matches (I will work in there for free if it helps).
Fantastic plans, love 'em, almost as good a pouring over train timetables.
No ridiculous at all. More and more sportspeople are choosing a vegan/vegetarian diet so why is a separate cooking and preparation area 'ridiculous'.
So no, not ridiculous, or at least not as ridiculous as you choosing to make an issue out of what I originally wrote.
I suspect that professional chefs are fully aware of the issues with cross contamination of food. No need for a completely separate facility.
But I suspect you just wanted another opportunity to tell people you are a vegan and push that agenda. Again.
So no. He's not bloody suggesting all restaurants should have two kitchens. Stop deliberately strawmanning and acting like a twat. A separate area AS IS SAID ABOVE is a fair question.
He's also not a vegan lol mug
Calling people twats and dicks. Is that called for?
I said stop acting like one. So no, I can verifiably say I have not called you a twat or dick.
Did you call me a mug though? Just to be clear.
And I refer you to the addendum above.
And you were being selective from the outset! There are many good and positive things in Seth's post, and you pick up on a vegetarian/veganism thing and claim it's peddling an "agenda". I wonder who truly has the agenda.
I just find it baffling that we have some great plans unveiled and someone has to bring up a separate cooking area for vegans, of all things!
Professional chefs are all fully aware of food cross contamination issues. No need for separate areas.
It's a strange thing to suggest. That's all.
I would say that it's impractical to have a separate kitchen entirely, of course. But in the context - for instance - of Chelsea opening a fully vegan food kiosk, or Burger King's new plant-based Whopper not being suitable for vegetarians or vegans, it's clear that a non-meat diet is in the mainstream/zeitgeist, and Seth's question by extension isn't exactly as "ridiculous" as you would like everyone to think.
When someone posts the same things on every food related thread and sometimes on non food related threads, at what point do you think it does become pushing an agenda? Even mods have had to mention it to Seth in the past.6 -
Thanks for sharing the new plans Henry Irving.The planning permission for the 3 floor building still stands according to the council site.It doesn’t matter the plan originated in the RD era. What is is exciting is that ESI have got behind it and shelved the reduced ambitions of the amended application of the 2 storey site.
Shooters Hill Guru is spot on - achieving Cat 1 is a great target, building on the excellent work already done by our academy. It will also be a major contributor to the plan for a sustainable income base for the club that MS and even HE constantly6 -
I have two commercial kitchens & can competently cook for vegetarians , vegans , gluten free , coeliacs , nut allergies, lactose intolerance & everything else that’s required these days in the same kitchen without cross contamination, if restaurants hadn’t been able to do this we would all have been severely ill long before all these fad groups popped upOff_it said:
Of course they dont. Ridiculous comment.seth plum said:Love these plans.
Memorial garden?
Car park spaces need double lines like in Bluewater so you don't do in your back squeezing in and out, and for the future each car park space should have a charger for electric cars. Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food, and a little tea hut for spectators at U18 and U23 matches (I will work in there for free if it helps).
Fantastic plans, love 'em, almost as good a pouring over train timetables.8 -
What on earth are you talking about?Stu_of_Kunming said:
It wasn't a question though, was it, it was a statement on what, in his opinion, the facility needs.PaddyP17 said:
Fair enough to find it baffling or strange. Whatever. But I don't know if anyone else would see it as such a big concern, or as thinking that is so offensive, as to prompt them to comment that Seth is "pushing an agenda".Off_it said:
From memory I believe the two of you are related, so completely understand why you feel the need to jump in.PaddyP17 said:
Don't understand how ensuring your reading comprehension is up to scratch is being selective, but sure.Off_it said:
Lol. Now who's being selective.PaddyP17 said:
I didn't call you a twat and/or dick.Off_it said:
Lol. Who rattled your cage?PaddyP17 said:
Stop acting like a dick. No, the separate kitchen or kitchen area as is stated above (amazing how some have selective reading cognition!) is a question being asked, especially with more and more athletes going vegetarian or vegan. Venus Williams, David Haye, Jermain Defoe, even Neil Robertson the snooker player are vegan. It's a fair consideration if there is a possibility of cross-contamination. Would you expect Muslim athletes - like Naby Sarr, I think, unless I have that very wrong - to be happy if pork product is used without due consideration for cross-contamination?Off_it said:
So are you suggesting that all restaurants should now have two kitchens? Just to satisfy the vegan brigade? You gonna pay for that?seth plum said:
I suspect you already know this, but vegetarians and vegans are wary of cross contamination from meat and fish based stuff, like might happen on the same cooking surfaces, the same utensils and splashing of lard or meat fat or fish oil.Off_it said:
Theres already a separate cooking and food preparation area. It's called a kitchen.seth plum said:Off_it said:
Of course they dont. Ridiculous comment.seth plum said:Love these plans.
Memorial garden?
Car park spaces need double lines like in Bluewater so you don't do in your back squeezing in and out, and for the future each car park space should have a charger for electric cars. Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food, and a little tea hut for spectators at U18 and U23 matches (I will work in there for free if it helps).
Fantastic plans, love 'em, almost as good a pouring over train timetables.
No ridiculous at all. More and more sportspeople are choosing a vegan/vegetarian diet so why is a separate cooking and preparation area 'ridiculous'.
So no, not ridiculous, or at least not as ridiculous as you choosing to make an issue out of what I originally wrote.
I suspect that professional chefs are fully aware of the issues with cross contamination of food. No need for a completely separate facility.
But I suspect you just wanted another opportunity to tell people you are a vegan and push that agenda. Again.
So no. He's not bloody suggesting all restaurants should have two kitchens. Stop deliberately strawmanning and acting like a twat. A separate area AS IS SAID ABOVE is a fair question.
He's also not a vegan lol mug
Calling people twats and dicks. Is that called for?
I said stop acting like one. So no, I can verifiably say I have not called you a twat or dick.
Did you call me a mug though? Just to be clear.
And I refer you to the addendum above.
And you were being selective from the outset! There are many good and positive things in Seth's post, and you pick up on a vegetarian/veganism thing and claim it's peddling an "agenda". I wonder who truly has the agenda.
I just find it baffling that we have some great plans unveiled and someone has to bring up a separate cooking area for vegans, of all things!
Professional chefs are all fully aware of food cross contamination issues. No need for separate areas.
It's a strange thing to suggest. That's all.
I would say that it's impractical to have a separate kitchen entirely, of course. But in the context - for instance - of Chelsea opening a fully vegan food kiosk, or Burger King's new plant-based Whopper not being suitable for vegetarians or vegans, it's clear that a non-meat diet is in the mainstream/zeitgeist, and Seth's question by extension isn't exactly as "ridiculous" as you would like everyone to think.
When someone posts the same things on every food related thread and sometimes on non food related threads, at what point do you think it does become pushing an agenda? Even mods have had to mention it to Seth in the past.
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Then please point put where the question was.seth plum said:
What on earth are you talking about?Stu_of_Kunming said:
It wasn't a question though, was it, it was a statement on what, in his opinion, the facility needs.PaddyP17 said:
Fair enough to find it baffling or strange. Whatever. But I don't know if anyone else would see it as such a big concern, or as thinking that is so offensive, as to prompt them to comment that Seth is "pushing an agenda".Off_it said:
From memory I believe the two of you are related, so completely understand why you feel the need to jump in.PaddyP17 said:
Don't understand how ensuring your reading comprehension is up to scratch is being selective, but sure.Off_it said:
Lol. Now who's being selective.PaddyP17 said:
I didn't call you a twat and/or dick.Off_it said:
Lol. Who rattled your cage?PaddyP17 said:
Stop acting like a dick. No, the separate kitchen or kitchen area as is stated above (amazing how some have selective reading cognition!) is a question being asked, especially with more and more athletes going vegetarian or vegan. Venus Williams, David Haye, Jermain Defoe, even Neil Robertson the snooker player are vegan. It's a fair consideration if there is a possibility of cross-contamination. Would you expect Muslim athletes - like Naby Sarr, I think, unless I have that very wrong - to be happy if pork product is used without due consideration for cross-contamination?Off_it said:
So are you suggesting that all restaurants should now have two kitchens? Just to satisfy the vegan brigade? You gonna pay for that?seth plum said:
I suspect you already know this, but vegetarians and vegans are wary of cross contamination from meat and fish based stuff, like might happen on the same cooking surfaces, the same utensils and splashing of lard or meat fat or fish oil.Off_it said:
Theres already a separate cooking and food preparation area. It's called a kitchen.seth plum said:Off_it said:
Of course they dont. Ridiculous comment.seth plum said:Love these plans.
Memorial garden?
Car park spaces need double lines like in Bluewater so you don't do in your back squeezing in and out, and for the future each car park space should have a charger for electric cars. Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food, and a little tea hut for spectators at U18 and U23 matches (I will work in there for free if it helps).
Fantastic plans, love 'em, almost as good a pouring over train timetables.
No ridiculous at all. More and more sportspeople are choosing a vegan/vegetarian diet so why is a separate cooking and preparation area 'ridiculous'.
So no, not ridiculous, or at least not as ridiculous as you choosing to make an issue out of what I originally wrote.
I suspect that professional chefs are fully aware of the issues with cross contamination of food. No need for a completely separate facility.
But I suspect you just wanted another opportunity to tell people you are a vegan and push that agenda. Again.
So no. He's not bloody suggesting all restaurants should have two kitchens. Stop deliberately strawmanning and acting like a twat. A separate area AS IS SAID ABOVE is a fair question.
He's also not a vegan lol mug
Calling people twats and dicks. Is that called for?
I said stop acting like one. So no, I can verifiably say I have not called you a twat or dick.
Did you call me a mug though? Just to be clear.
And I refer you to the addendum above.
And you were being selective from the outset! There are many good and positive things in Seth's post, and you pick up on a vegetarian/veganism thing and claim it's peddling an "agenda". I wonder who truly has the agenda.
I just find it baffling that we have some great plans unveiled and someone has to bring up a separate cooking area for vegans, of all things!
Professional chefs are all fully aware of food cross contamination issues. No need for separate areas.
It's a strange thing to suggest. That's all.
I would say that it's impractical to have a separate kitchen entirely, of course. But in the context - for instance - of Chelsea opening a fully vegan food kiosk, or Burger King's new plant-based Whopper not being suitable for vegetarians or vegans, it's clear that a non-meat diet is in the mainstream/zeitgeist, and Seth's question by extension isn't exactly as "ridiculous" as you would like everyone to think.
When someone posts the same things on every food related thread and sometimes on non food related threads, at what point do you think it does become pushing an agenda? Even mods have had to mention it to Seth in the past.
You are simply wrong I'm afraid.
Also I guess AFKA didn't have to pull you up on bringing up veggie options for every club event going, despite having no intention of going?
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AFKA has not 'pulled me up' for bringing up veggie options for every club event going.
My comments on club events are more like the price you pay for what food you get and how the price excludes people.
Point out where what question was?
If you read my first post on this thread I mention car parking, separate veggie cooking areas, the memorial garden and a tea hut all in the context of what good news this is. Later I enquired about whether there were fan lights or solar panels on the roof...that bit was a question.
So the 'wrong how exactly' is the inference that I am a poster held in check by moderators for occasionally mentioning vegetarian food. There are others who mention vegetarian/vegan food in their posts too. I have never noticed moderators trying to prevent any poster from mentioning such stuff.
You are wrong in what you say about me on this thread.1 -
"You do make me laugh Seth.
Every year without fail fail you end up in some meaningless debate about an event you have zero likelihood in attending. "
Yet there's no agenda....
Your first post had no question, as paddy had claimed:
"Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food"
Unless one has an agenda there is no reason a football clubs training facilities need a seperate vegetarian cooking area.
So not wrong.
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Just stop now, this is a petulant argument.Stu_of_Kunming said:"You do make me laugh Seth.
Every year without fail fail you end up in some meaningless debate about an event you have zero likelihood in attending. "
Yet there's no agenda....
Your first post had no question, as paddy had claimed:
"Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food"
Unless one has an agenda there is no reason a football clubs training facilities need a seperate vegetarian cooking area.
So not wrong.
DM one and other if you care that much, because I can assure you no one else does.19 -
So I come onto this thread. Getting really encouraged and excited about the plans and the ambition.
Finish up being totally depressed about petty arguments. Only on CL!1 -
Surprised no-one's mentioned the absence of penalty spots yet.2
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I dunno i find it mildly amusing seeing people being shut down with their own words.
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Well, the building certainly isn’t going to win any awards for architectural design.
Functional is the word I guess.....I would like to see a couple of ‘pleasing on the eye features’ to make it more homely and to give it a more warmly and welcoming appeal.1 -
I imagine the limited space makes that hardSoundAsa£ said:Well, the building certainly isn’t going to win any awards for architectural design.
Functional is the word I guess.....I would like to see a couple of ‘pleasing on the eye features’ to make it more homely and to give it a more warmly and welcoming appeal.0 -
Aint there enough grass to graze on for the food extremists, or can I suggest you make a start on that annoying little tree0
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''Be careful or I'll have a family member come and insult you。PopIcon said:
Just stop now, this is a petulant argument.Stu_of_Kunming said:"You do make me laugh Seth.
Every year without fail fail you end up in some meaningless debate about an event you have zero likelihood in attending. "
Yet there's no agenda....
Your first post had no question, as paddy had claimed:
"Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food"
Unless one has an agenda there is no reason a football clubs training facilities need a seperate vegetarian cooking area.
So not wrong.
DM one and other if you care that much, because I can assure you no one else does.
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Like this homely enough
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I don't like the bricks0
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Maybe.....but inventive architects should all be well accustomed to awkward space limitations.Stu_of_Kunming said:
I imagine the limited space makes that hardSoundAsa£ said:Well, the building certainly isn’t going to win any awards for architectural design.
Functional is the word I guess.....I would like to see a couple of ‘pleasing on the eye features’ to make it more homely and to give it a more warmly and welcoming appeal.
I myself have no idea what could be done along those lines, but I would just like to see a bit of individual originality rather than a featureless concrete and glass block. One that everyone could go away from having seen a nice/interesting looking building.0 -
Some mock Tudor cladding would make it look amazing.
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I'm free !Henry Irving said:
I did ask someone to bring this up at last Friday's meeting if/when the SL development was on the agenda but presume this was overlooked.
As I stated a week or so ago, the issue will be brought to the notice of MS shortly.1 - Sponsored links:
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Whilst I get your point, as a building it only really needs to be functional, I'd rather that money was spent elsewhereSoundAsa£ said:
Maybe.....but inventive architects should all be well accustomed to awkward space limitations.Stu_of_Kunming said:
I imagine the limited space makes that hardSoundAsa£ said:Well, the building certainly isn’t going to win any awards for architectural design.
Functional is the word I guess.....I would like to see a couple of ‘pleasing on the eye features’ to make it more homely and to give it a more warmly and welcoming appeal.
I myself have no idea what could be done along those lines, but I would just like to see a bit of individual originality rather than a featureless concrete and glass block. One that everyone could go away from having seen a nice/interesting looking building.0 -
If you look at some of the new facilities going up around the Premier League then yes these plans do look formulaic and dare i say boring.
BUT compared to what we have now and THE TRENCH we have to be grateful that this new mob are pushing our wonderful academy forwards.1 -
And a Creteprint car park to finish it off (even go a French drain in the photo) -SantaClaus said:Some mock Tudor cladding would make it look amazing.
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On a Michelin star quality vegan restaurant?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Whilst I get your point, as a building it only really needs to be functional, I'd rather that money was spent elsewhereSoundAsa£ said:
Maybe.....but inventive architects should all be well accustomed to awkward space limitations.Stu_of_Kunming said:
I imagine the limited space makes that hardSoundAsa£ said:Well, the building certainly isn’t going to win any awards for architectural design.
Functional is the word I guess.....I would like to see a couple of ‘pleasing on the eye features’ to make it more homely and to give it a more warmly and welcoming appeal.
I myself have no idea what could be done along those lines, but I would just like to see a bit of individual originality rather than a featureless concrete and glass block. One that everyone could go away from having seen a nice/interesting looking building.2 -
Clubs own slaughterhouseStu_of_Kunming said:
Whilst I get your point, as a building it only really needs to be functional, I'd rather that money was spent elsewhereSoundAsa£ said:
Maybe.....but inventive architects should all be well accustomed to awkward space limitations.Stu_of_Kunming said:
I imagine the limited space makes that hardSoundAsa£ said:Well, the building certainly isn’t going to win any awards for architectural design.
Functional is the word I guess.....I would like to see a couple of ‘pleasing on the eye features’ to make it more homely and to give it a more warmly and welcoming appeal.
I myself have no idea what could be done along those lines, but I would just like to see a bit of individual originality rather than a featureless concrete and glass block. One that everyone could go away from having seen a nice/interesting looking building.7 -
You think that's how family works? "Come help me fight fires"? Man, your life must be warped.Stu_of_Kunming said:
''Be careful or I'll have a family member come and insult you。PopIcon said:
Just stop now, this is a petulant argument.Stu_of_Kunming said:"You do make me laugh Seth.
Every year without fail fail you end up in some meaningless debate about an event you have zero likelihood in attending. "
Yet there's no agenda....
Your first post had no question, as paddy had claimed:
"Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food"
Unless one has an agenda there is no reason a football clubs training facilities need a seperate vegetarian cooking area.
So not wrong.
DM one and other if you care that much, because I can assure you no one else does.
See - the thing is, I get on with mine, so yeah, of my own volition I'm happy to stick up for Seth. I'm really, really sorry for you that apparently you have such a transactional view of family that I was doing this as some sort of favour.0 -
Give it a rest all of you, bloody hell.
Don't need to ask for separate areas in kitchens for vegetarian and vegan food, that's already a thing in all professional kitchens worth their salt, and seeing as sports nutrition etc is a forerunner in plant based proteins and fuels, I don't think this will be an issue going forward.
I'm surprised by the "rest areas" as people have called them, sure look like digs to me, but maybe that's a way to get around certain restrictions on building and planning permission.0 -
@Off_itFind most of your posts quite funny but think you are wide of the mark here.The bloke literally offered to volunteer for the club in order to make the experience of fans attending youth games at SL more enjoyable...Fair play!If he believes there should be a separate area in the Kitchen for veggie/vegan food preparation then who caresIt doesn’t really affect your life...1
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Got a nagging suspicion that they'll be digs for players shipped in, as has already been touted by MSsam3110 said:
I'm surprised by the "rest areas" as people have called them, sure look like digs to me, but maybe that's a way to get around certain restrictions on building and planning permission.0 -
Yes wrong.Stu_of_Kunming said:"You do make me laugh Seth.
Every year without fail fail you end up in some meaningless debate about an event you have zero likelihood in attending. "
Yet there's no agenda....
Your first post had no question, as paddy had claimed:
"Also need a secure bicycle storage area, and a separate kitchen (area) for vegan/ vegetarian food"
Unless one has an agenda there is no reason a football clubs training facilities need a seperate vegetarian cooking area.
So not wrong.
What on earth 'agenda' is there FFS?
Sheesh. When the Valley West Stand was being planned a council officer asked about separate changing facilities for female match officials. At the time the question was mocked, yet yesterday we saw the female assistant at Brentford, was the council official asking a question because they had an 'agenda'?
On this thread my first post was uncontroversial, yet out of a clear blue sky you have created friction not because of what I wrote but because of what looks like your personal antipathy towards me.
If you wish to pursue your personal attacks do it in a private message.0
