Albie Morgan is improving and getting more consistent. Played really well again tonight and seems to do more passes and closing down than anyone else. His crosses improved as well despite Fraser in 1st half and Rak Sakyi in 2nd able to capitalise.
Credit to Morgan who at 22 is finally getting his act together.
Morgan is like marmite. I, for one, am not a fan. I think we need somebody better in that midfield position. Just not good enough for me. Even today, where many thought he had a good game, I thought he was the usual mediocrity. He flatters to deceive, in my opinion. That’s probably why he’s a marmite type player.
He did have a very good game last night and I think he may have played himself into a contract. However, we need to be thinking of getting better and if we keep him as a squad player he can improve further or just be solid cover.
Morgan is like marmite. I, for one, am not a fan. I think we need somebody better in that midfield position. Just not good enough for me. Even today, where many thought he had a good game, I thought he was the usual mediocrity. He flatters to deceive, in my opinion. That’s probably why he’s a marmite type player.
Or you don't like him and are being too stubborn to change that view, despite his improvements.
He tries passes others are afraid to. He was better than Fraser last night by some way. He worked harder, passed better and created more threatening opportunities.
I actually thought on reflection Payne, Morgan and Dobson could work better than Fraser as all effort with some ability is more important than just ability with little effort. See Marcus Maddison at Charlton for evidence of that - talented player, didn't want to work.
The question everyone should ask themselves regarding Morgan is this.
Is he good enough to be part of a team pushing for promotion next season.
If you think he is then keep him.
If not then try and replace with better.
My opinion is we need better.
I agree that we need better. Morgan isn't good enough to be part of the starting 11 on a regular basis for a team pushing for promotion but he is definitely good enough to be part of the squad and be on the bench.
to win promotion, not only do we need a very good 11, we need depth. Look how poor our subs bench has been in recent weeks. No options for the manager. On that basis, I would keep Morgan, Clare and one of thomas and innis. Not to start but to add depth. Bonne, well he can go **** himself
Morgan is like marmite. I, for one, am not a fan. I think we need somebody better in that midfield position. Just not good enough for me. Even today, where many thought he had a good game, I thought he was the usual mediocrity. He flatters to deceive, in my opinion. That’s probably why he’s a marmite type player.
Or you don't like him and are being too stubborn to change that view, despite his improvements.
He tries passes others are afraid to. He was better than Fraser last night by some way. He worked harder, passed better and created more threatening opportunities.
I actually thought on reflection Payne, Morgan and Dobson could work better than Fraser as all effort with some ability is more important than just ability with little effort. See Marcus Maddison at Charlton for evidence of that - talented player, didn't want to work.
It’s all about opinions Daz, it’s perfectly acceptable for people to not rate players
Albie is not a new lad breaking through and finding his feet. He made his debut 5 years ago and played over 110 times. He’s likeable and people want him to do well, but it’s understandable to see why people struggle to see how he is going to now become consistently good enough to improve us.
He started the first seven games of the season, before being a substitute in the next.
Missed a couple of games, before appearing primarily as a sub in the next nine games (He started two of those) - Up until the Morecambe game he's very much been a bit part player - But has started the last seven.
2021/22 - He had six consecutive starts 2020/21 - He had three consecutive starts 2019/20 - He had five consecutive starts 2018/19 - He had three consecutive starts
So if he starts on Saturday, its his best ever run in the team - Could argue he's not taking his opportunities consistently enough. Could argue a bit like Karlan Grant he's being dropped too readily.
Either way the argument "We wont win promotion with him" is weak - Seeing he's no worse in Midfield than George Lapslie | Ben Reeves | Mark Marshall.
I think it's do or die for Albie now, he needs to be consistently consistent, rather than consistently inconsistent in both defence and attack.
If he can also improve his shot composure and not just leather the ball every time he shoots, that'll help.
Last chance saloon Albie, now prove yourself.
Posted a year ago in July.
A year later, what has changed? We're going around exactly the same story. Guy gets about 30 last chances to prove himself.
I get your point and I think Holden should do what he thinks is right, but Albie for me has had a better season than last.
The problem is people with a bias against him pin every bad result on him. I don't do that, I call him out in match threads for mistakes and praise his good bits. Same as I do for most players.
If I am honest he would only get to stay as a support player and I don't think that will let us see what he can become.
He needs to be a starter every game to show what he can do and I agree that shouldn't be here if we are looking to get promoted or if Holden doesn't think he's right.
A 1-0 victory against 19th and people pop out of the woodwork desperate to keep the dross that got us midtable League One in the first place.
No thanks.
Yet very quick to criticise when we lost to 2nd place HMS buy the league?
Because that should be our competition and it showed how far we were behind.
Some people are happy being midtable League One I suppose.
Nobody is happy being midtable in League 1,
Then why are you so keen to continually give chances to the players that have us stuck in midtable in League One? Deserve everything we get as a fanbase, honestly.
I don't think Henry or Morgan should be starters next season if we are seriously looking at promotion, and for that reason neither should be here next season as they won't grow as players not starting every game. I wouldn't however say no to extending either of their contracts and loaning them out next season.
I'd start all our players we want to offload at the end of the season every game from now, just to window them if nothing else.
Morgan is like marmite. I, for one, am not a fan. I think we need somebody better in that midfield position. Just not good enough for me. Even today, where many thought he had a good game, I thought he was the usual mediocrity. He flatters to deceive, in my opinion. That’s probably why he’s a marmite type player.
Or you don't like him and are being too stubborn to change that view, despite his improvements.
He tries passes others are afraid to. He was better than Fraser last night by some way. He worked harder, passed better and created more threatening opportunities.
I actually thought on reflection Payne, Morgan and Dobson could work better than Fraser as all effort with some ability is more important than just ability with little effort. See Marcus Maddison at Charlton for evidence of that - talented player, didn't want to work.
The question everyone should ask themselves regarding Morgan is this.
Is he good enough to be part of a team pushing for promotion next season.
If you think he is then keep him.
If not then try and replace with better.
My opinion is we need better.
I agree that we need better. Morgan isn't good enough to be part of the starting 11 on a regular basis for a team pushing for promotion but he is definitely good enough to be part of the squad and be on the bench.
to win promotion, not only do we need a very good 11, we need depth. Look how poor our subs bench has been in recent weeks. No options for the manager. On that basis, I would keep Morgan, Clare and one of thomas and innis. Not to start but to add depth. Bonne, well he can go **** himself
Yep exactly.
You won't get promoted with those players playing 30+ games a season. I don't think anyone would suggest you can but you do need other players as well.
What sort of players are you going to bring in to be second or even third choice? If the "no dick heads" test is passed your better off keeping the better players you have got than completely clearing the decks.
The problem is that Morgan and Inniss have been in the team on merit all season. Not because they are especially good, they aren't, but because of our shambolic recruitment they have been the best we had.
He started the first seven games of the season, before being a substitute in the next.
Missed a couple of games, before appearing primarily as a sub in the next nine games (He started two of those) - Up until the Morecambe game he's very much been a bit part player - But has started the last seven.
2021/22 - He had six consecutive starts 2020/21 - He had three consecutive starts 2019/20 - He had five consecutive starts 2018/19 - He had three consecutive starts
So if he starts on Saturday, its his best ever run in the team - Could argue he's not taking his opportunities consistently enough. Could argue a bit like Karlan Grant he's being dropped too readily.
Either way the argument "We wont win promotion with him" is weak - Seeing he's no worse in Midfield than George Lapslie | Ben Reeves | Mark Marshall.
It's 8 starts since Morecambe actually, we've won 5, drawn 1 and lost 2. With our current squad, and playing 433, Morgan is one of our best 3 midfielders despite various managers trying other players in that position. It's been notable that despite having Kilkenny and Henry available, Holden hasn't changed the 3 since Morgan got back in the side.
Maybe he's not good enough, maybe we'll sign some much better players in the summer, but what gets me is that he's always the one being called out when the team loses, as if he was playing with Kante and De Bruyne and was obviously the weak link. In those 8 games has Fraser been better than him? I'd suggest not.
He started the first seven games of the season, before being a substitute in the next.
Missed a couple of games, before appearing primarily as a sub in the next nine games (He started two of those) - Up until the Morecambe game he's very much been a bit part player - But has started the last seven.
2021/22 - He had six consecutive starts 2020/21 - He had three consecutive starts 2019/20 - He had five consecutive starts 2018/19 - He had three consecutive starts
So if he starts on Saturday, its his best ever run in the team - Could argue he's not taking his opportunities consistently enough. Could argue a bit like Karlan Grant he's being dropped too readily.
Either way the argument "We wont win promotion with him" is weak - Seeing he's no worse in Midfield than George Lapslie | Ben Reeves | Mark Marshall.
It's 8 starts since Morecambe actually, we've won 5, drawn 1 and lost 2. With our current squad, and playing 433, Morgan is one of our best 3 midfielders despite various managers trying other players in that position. It's been notable that despite having Kilkenny and Henry available, Holden hasn't changed the 3 since Morgan got back in the side.
Maybe he's not good enough, maybe we'll sign some much better players in the summer, but what gets me is that he's always the one being called out when the team loses, as if he was playing with Kante and De Bruyne and was obviously the weak link. In those 8 games has Fraser been better than him? I'd suggest not.
Ah yes... My headache didnt spot that the data isnt available for last nights game.
I would rather have Morgan as backup than McGrandles and Payne. And I think both of those will be easy to offload if we wanted.
I think the real question might be does Morgan want to be backup and continue to have to fight hard for minutes, or does he drop to lower L1 team and be a guaranteed starter? If I was us I would offer Morgan a contract with the plan of him being backup but if I was Morgan I’d probably reject it unless he gets told he’s going to continue being first choice
Albie has definitely had a good run recently. 2 goals and 5 assists in 12 games and good performances in a lot of those matches is a solid run. It's worth remembering though that Holden brought in Kilkenny as an upgrade on Albie because he obviously wasn't massively impressed with what he'd seen. That was the obvious place to upgrade, and it's only Kilkenny tailing off almost instantly that's offered Albie this chance, but he's taken it. Three games left for Albie to impress but even then it won't undo the first half of the season where he was poor, because we can't afford to have a player in that position who is good 50% of the time. You could understand them giving Albie a new deal based on his recent run but I'm still not convinced he's able to do it consistently. He'll have to show us if he's renewed.
Albie has definitely had a good run recently. 2 goals and 5 assists in 12 games and good performances in a lot of those matches is a solid run. It's worth remembering though that Holden brought in Kilkenny as an upgrade on Albie because he obviously wasn't massively impressed with what he'd seen. That was the obvious place to upgrade, and it's only Kilkenny tailing off almost instantly that's offered Albie this chance, but he's taken it. Three games left for Albie to impress but even then it won't undo the first half of the season where he was poor, because we can't afford to have a player in that position who is good 50% of the time. You could understand them giving Albie a new deal based on his recent run but I'm still not convinced he's able to do it consistently. He'll have to show us if he's renewed.
Morgan was brilliant at the start of the season, then he had a few poor games but this is where he would argue that he is always first to be dropped and now that he’s finally had a longer run of games he’s being more consistent.
If he had stayed in the team back then he might have shaken off those bad games like he has Bristol Rovers & Ipswich and got back to his best if Garner had shown the same faith/backing that Holden has in him
I quite like Morgan, maybe more than most but i'd be slightly worried about our promotion hopes if he starts come August. Would keep him as a squad player probably too but not bothered either way.
I don't think Henry or Morgan should be starters next season if we are seriously looking at promotion, and for that reason neither should be here next season as they won't grow as players not starting every game. I wouldn't however say no to extending either of their contracts and loaning them out next season.
I'd start all our players we want to offload at the end of the season every game from now, just to window them if nothing else.
Keep Morgan to loan him out? Last time we tried to loan him out, we didn't get an offer.
I would rather have Morgan as backup than McGrandles and Payne. And I think both of those will be easy to offload if we wanted.
I think the real question might be does Morgan want to be backup and continue to have to fight hard for minutes, or does he drop to lower L1 team and be a guaranteed starter? If I was us I would offer Morgan a contract with the plan of him being backup but if I was Morgan I’d probably reject it unless he gets told he’s going to continue being first choice
In these last 8 games Albie's been better than the absolute best of Payne and McGrandles put together. If CMcG starts a game we're effectively at least half a man short before he even gives the ball away or shirks a tackle. JP is barely a half-sized player and until last night his performances followed suit. Both can be shifted but neither will net any worthwhile fees so unless we get a significantly wealthier owner we're stuck with em both. The Cambridge manager's comments on how far out of reach Clogger McG would be as a permanent signing for them, suggests he's another lummox paid way above his value by Skintgaard's hapless black box recruitment fiasco.
He started the first seven games of the season, before being a substitute in the next.
Missed a couple of games, before appearing primarily as a sub in the next nine games (He started two of those) - Up until the Morecambe game he's very much been a bit part player - But has started the last seven.
2021/22 - He had six consecutive starts 2020/21 - He had three consecutive starts 2019/20 - He had five consecutive starts 2018/19 - He had three consecutive starts
So if he starts on Saturday, its his best ever run in the team - Could argue he's not taking his opportunities consistently enough. Could argue a bit like Karlan Grant he's being dropped too readily.
Either way the argument "We wont win promotion with him" is weak - Seeing he's no worse in Midfield than George Lapslie | Ben Reeves | Mark Marshall.
It's 8 starts since Morecambe actually, we've won 5, drawn 1 and lost 2. With our current squad, and playing 433, Morgan is one of our best 3 midfielders despite various managers trying other players in that position. It's been notable that despite having Kilkenny and Henry available, Holden hasn't changed the 3 since Morgan got back in the side.
Maybe he's not good enough, maybe we'll sign some much better players in the summer, but what gets me is that he's always the one being called out when the team loses, as if he was playing with Kante and De Bruyne and was obviously the weak link. In those 8 games has Fraser been better than him? I'd suggest not.
Ah yes... My headache didnt spot that the data isnt available for last nights game.
I don't think Henry or Morgan should be starters next season if we are seriously looking at promotion, and for that reason neither should be here next season as they won't grow as players not starting every game. I wouldn't however say no to extending either of their contracts and loaning them out next season.
I'd start all our players we want to offload at the end of the season every game from now, just to window them if nothing else.
Keep Morgan to loan him out? Last time we tried to loan him out, we didn't get an offer.
He was a lot younger then and under Bowyer who probably didn't really try to give a good view of him.
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Played really well again tonight and seems to do more passes and closing down than anyone else. His crosses improved as well despite Fraser in 1st half and Rak Sakyi in 2nd able to capitalise.
Credit to Morgan who at 22 is finally getting his act together.
Is he good enough to be part of a team pushing for promotion next season.
If you think he is then keep him.
If not then try and replace with better.
My opinion is we need better.
He tries passes others are afraid to. He was better than Fraser last night by some way. He worked harder, passed better and created more threatening opportunities.
I actually thought on reflection Payne, Morgan and Dobson could work better than Fraser as all effort with some ability is more important than just ability with little effort. See Marcus Maddison at Charlton for evidence of that - talented player, didn't want to work.
to win promotion, not only do we need a very good 11, we need depth. Look how poor our subs bench has been in recent weeks. No options for the manager. On that basis, I would keep Morgan, Clare and one of thomas and innis. Not to start but to add depth. Bonne, well he can go **** himself
Albie is not a new lad breaking through and finding his feet. He made his debut 5 years ago and played over 110 times. He’s likeable and people want him to do well, but it’s understandable to see why people struggle to see how he is going to now become consistently good enough to improve us.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/albie-morgan/leistungsdaten/spieler/606026
He started the first seven games of the season, before being a substitute in the next.
Missed a couple of games, before appearing primarily as a sub in the next nine games (He started two of those) - Up until the Morecambe game he's very much been a bit part player - But has started the last seven.
2021/22 - He had six consecutive starts
2020/21 - He had three consecutive starts
2019/20 - He had five consecutive starts
2018/19 - He had three consecutive starts
So if he starts on Saturday, its his best ever run in the team - Could argue he's not taking his opportunities consistently enough. Could argue a bit like Karlan Grant he's being dropped too readily.
Either way the argument "We wont win promotion with him" is weak - Seeing he's no worse in Midfield than George Lapslie | Ben Reeves | Mark Marshall.
A year later, what has changed? We're going around exactly the same story. Guy gets about 30 last chances to prove himself.
If I am honest he would only get to stay as a support player and I don't think that will let us see what he can become.
He needs to be a starter every game to show what he can do and I agree that shouldn't be here if we are looking to get promoted or if Holden doesn't think he's right.
I don't think Henry or Morgan should be starters next season if we are seriously looking at promotion, and for that reason neither should be here next season as they won't grow as players not starting every game. I wouldn't however say no to extending either of their contracts and loaning them out next season.
I'd start all our players we want to offload at the end of the season every game from now, just to window them if nothing else.
Just find it hilarious how we all seem to agree we're crap as a unit, yet ask fans who they would keep and it's over 80% of the squad.
You won't get promoted with those players playing 30+ games a season. I don't think anyone would suggest you can but you do need other players as well.
What sort of players are you going to bring in to be second or even third choice? If the "no dick heads" test is passed your better off keeping the better players you have got than completely clearing the decks.
The problem is that Morgan and Inniss have been in the team on merit all season. Not because they are especially good, they aren't, but because of our shambolic recruitment they have been the best we had.
Maybe he's not good enough, maybe we'll sign some much better players in the summer, but what gets me is that he's always the one being called out when the team loses, as if he was playing with Kante and De Bruyne and was obviously the weak link. In those 8 games has Fraser been better than him? I'd suggest not.
Last time we tried to loan him out, we didn't get an offer.
If CMcG starts a game we're effectively at least half a man short before he even gives the ball away or shirks a tackle. JP is barely a half-sized player and until last night his performances followed suit. Both can be shifted but neither will net any worthwhile fees so unless we get a significantly wealthier owner we're stuck with em both.
The Cambridge manager's comments on how far out of reach Clogger McG would be as a permanent signing for them, suggests he's another lummox paid way above his value by Skintgaard's hapless black box recruitment fiasco.