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Colombia v England - Tues 3rd July 7pm

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  • CharltonKerry
    CharltonKerry Posts: 2,955
    IdleHans said:

    20,000 out of 49,000,000 is 0.04%

    It’s actually 200000 people who signed the petition, mind you 199999 has Scottish IP addresses :-)
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    Trippier admitted that he had spent all his time practising that penalty. Does he change it to a different one, or keep the same one either because of double bluff, or because if it is placed enough the keeper is unlikely to save it anyway?
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Cordoban Addick said:

    Apparently 200,00 people have signed a petition demanding a replay https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/05/colombia-dirtiest-team-ive-ever-played-against-john-stones

    What planet are these people on, I can just about cope with the fact that they used dark arts to try to win a game but to not even accept that they have been beaten leaves me speechless.

    "The petition, which was started two days ago, argues England were awarded their second-half penalty for “a non-existent foul” and that Carlos Bacca’s extra-time effort should have been allowed to stand.

    Bacca put the ball in the net after Geiger halted proceedings with Harry Maguire distracted by a second ball that would have come on the pitch had the assistant not stopped it. The petition calls for Fifa “to review these two actions, in order to set a precedent for fair play”."

    1, VAR exists and a penalty decision is exactly what it exists for. If it looked like there was no foul (clearly was) then VAR wouldve told the referee.

    2, so uhh we should review stopping play because there was 2 balls on the pitch at once in name of fair play?? How does that work? Plus the ball was put in the back of the net long after the referee's whistle, the ball was not in play when it crossed the line into the net, so not even a disallowed goal.
  • Manicmania
    Manicmania Posts: 1,594
    edited July 2018
    Cordoban Addick said:

    Apparently 200,00 people have signed a petition demanding a replay https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/05/colombia-dirtiest-team-ive-ever-played-against-john-stones

    What planet are these people on, I can just about cope with the fact that they used dark arts to try to win a game but to not even accept that they have been beaten leaves me speechless.

    bizarre... biggest sore losers of the tournament by far as well as biggest cheaters. Maybe someone should set up a petition to get the players scuffing up the penalty spot suspended
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    DamoNorthStand said:

    Maradona forced to apologise for comments:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44729969

    Falcao’s comments as well. What a prick. How about coming out of John Stones back pocket, sticking the ball in the net and giving your team a chance mate?
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited July 2018
    They thought their best chance of beating us was to wind us up. They might have had a better chance trying to out play us. I don't think some players can play fair though. look at Ramos - he cost Spain a penalty in my opinion, by trying to pretend to be fouled and taking attention away from a clearer foul on Pique. But not just that, he could have gone for the ball and probably scored, but he is the sort of bloke who gets more satisfaction reflecting on how his cheating has won the match.

    This has been a great World Cup for the football, but also the justice with shameless cheats like Ramos and Colombia back home. Love it.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    edited July 2018
    I dont get there issue with him being American.

    Both Maradona and Falcao said he is an American referee ofcourse he will be bias to England.

    Unless there is an americans hate Colombians thing and its not a bias towards England but a bias against Colombia issue
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,291
    England havent won a penalty shootout since '96... No American Referee would be able to impact that in our favour

    Colombia need to stop passing the blame game finger and take a good look at themselves!!!
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited July 2018
    He had a good game - the big error was giving only a yellow for the head butt, but that was a VAR issue as it wasn't suggested he needed to look at it.
  • DRAddick
    DRAddick Posts: 3,588
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    He had a good game - the big error was giving only a yellow for the head butt, but that was a VAR issue as it wasn't suggested he needed to look at it.

    Without wanting to get into another Var argument, he never saw the incident. It's clear in the replays that he never saw even a little of what happened. So Var must have suggested something.
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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Yes, it suggested it was worthy of a booking surely - which was clearly wrong and nothing to do with the ref.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,758
    edited July 2018
    But VAR aren't allowed to suggest a yellow card. They can only suggest a review. So either the video assistant ref broke protocol, or the ref saw the incident and decided a booking was sufficient. Or most bizarrely of all, he was told to review but decided to give a yellow instead of reviewing.
  • Cafctekkers
    Cafctekkers Posts: 1,254
    Callumcafc said:

    But VAR aren't allowed to suggest a yellow card. They can only suggest a review. So either the video assistant ref broke protocol, or the ref saw the incident and decided a booking was sufficient. Or most bizarrely of all, he was told to review but decided to give a yellow instead of reviewing.

    is it also possible that his assistant referee at that end spotted something and advised a yellow card? I thought they are all able to communicate throughout the game also?
  • Manicmania
    Manicmania Posts: 1,594
    It's a bit ridiculous that 2 days later we still don't know what the refs reasoning for giving only a yellow was? Where is the transparency?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,758
    edited July 2018
    Manicmania said:

    It's a bit ridiculous that 2 days later we still don't know what the refs reasoning for giving only a yellow was? Where is the transparency?

    I agree but that's been an issue for years and years.
  • DRAddick
    DRAddick Posts: 3,588
    Callumcafc said:

    But VAR aren't allowed to suggest a yellow card. They can only suggest a review. So either the video assistant ref broke protocol, or the ref saw the incident and decided a booking was sufficient. Or most bizarrely of all, he was told to review but decided to give a yellow instead of reviewing.

    Absolutely no way did the ref see the incident.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Callumcafc said:

    But VAR aren't allowed to suggest a yellow card. They can only suggest a review. So either the video assistant ref broke protocol, or the ref saw the incident and decided a booking was sufficient. Or most bizarrely of all, he was told to review but decided to give a yellow instead of reviewing.

    But that is my point - the ref missed it so couldn't take a view on the severity - VAR had to do have done it which is wrong!
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,758
    Isn't that an assumption? @CafcTeckers has offered the most logical explanation yet that the assistant ref saw something and advised from his viewpoint at the side of the pitch.

    I suppose it is possible that VAR suggested a yellow however:
    1. The video assistant referee would first need to break the protocol by suggesting something other than a review
    2. The on field referee would also be breaking protocol by following the VAR's incorrect advice and following the suggestion

    If that was the case, the bloke in charge of VAR for the match shouldn't have another match at this World Cup. Neither should the ref on the pitch for blindly taking the advice. It's hard to justify that reasoning.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,758
    As @Manicmania says above, a bit of transparency would help deal with all of this.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,454
    Cordoban Addick said:

    Apparently 200,00 people have signed a petition demanding a replay https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jul/05/colombia-dirtiest-team-ive-ever-played-against-john-stones

    What planet are these people on, I can just about cope with the fact that they used dark arts to try to win a game but to not even accept that they have been beaten leaves me speechless.

    A Columbian spokesman said " The Authorities have got it wrong yet again just like they did with poor Pablo Escobar.
    A simple church going, stand up citizen who smoked the odd bit of weed and carried a small hand gun around for his own protection."
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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    DamoNorthStand said:

    Maradona forced to apologise for comments:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44729969

    Which roughly translates as Diego still wants his 10k a time cocaine money that FIFA have been paying him for each match he goes to
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    DamoNorthStand said:

    Maradona forced to apologise for comments:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44729969

    Which roughly translates as Diego still wants his 10k a time cocaine money that FIFA have been paying him for each match he goes to
    Why exactly is he there anyway? Is he just there is a famous former star, or does he have an actual role, as for example I've not seen any former England legends in the "posh" seats
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    edited July 2018
    killerandflash said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    DamoNorthStand said:

    Maradona forced to apologise for comments:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44729969

    Which roughly translates as Diego still wants his 10k a time cocaine money that FIFA have been paying him for each match he goes to
    Why exactly is he there anyway? Is he just there is a famous former star, or does he have an actual role, as for example I've not seen any former England legends in the "posh" seats
    Wes Brown was there the other day


    Edit: sorry you said Legend
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    foresthillred said:

    Cordoban Addick said:

    Ormiston Addick said:

    Jesus - what a night.

    Am over here with the wife and kids and watched the game round my Aunt and Uncles house with my two boys, cousin and uncle.

    When Colombia equalised and it went to penalties it looked like being the same old, same old so to win on penalties was something very special.

    Even better was the faces of my two boys as we drove back through Greenwich and seeing all the England fans on the streets singing and dancing outside the pubs, they had never seen anything like it.

    All I need to do now this morning is phone my Aunt and Uncle and ask them to apologise to their very religious neighbours for my screaming out “HAVE SOME OF THAT YOU FUCKING COKE SNIFFING COLOMBIA CUNTS!!!!” When Dier scored the penalty.

    Not sure the wife was too happy either.

    My kids told me off this morning for "shouting too loudly and swearing too much".
    My 13 year old daughter phoned me, as she does every night to say goodnight, just as the penalties were about to start. She was getting a bit nervous and excited as the pens went in and I heard her mum say "give me the phone now." Daughter's reply? "Fuck you mum. Fuck you!" I was trying not to laugh out loud while thinking "get in there girl!"
    not being funny Mark, but if i heard my 13/14 year old saying 'fuck you' to his mother, then i would be 1) shocked and 2) bloody annoyed- and would make sure i let him know i was annoyed too.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2018/jul/06/david-squires-on-england-dark-arts-and-their-world-cup-campaign
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,840
    paulie8290 said:

    killerandflash said:

    Chris_from_Sidcup said:

    DamoNorthStand said:

    Maradona forced to apologise for comments:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44729969

    Which roughly translates as Diego still wants his 10k a time cocaine money that FIFA have been paying him for each match he goes to
    Why exactly is he there anyway? Is he just there is a famous former star, or does he have an actual role, as for example I've not seen any former England legends in the "posh" seats
    Wes Brown was there the other day


    Edit: sorry you said Legend
    Ah. That's why I couldn't see any England legends there!

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