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  • Ffs an interesting thread and you inject that ??

    cant think what book it was in but reading about the Comanche if you saw them coming over the hill (if) it was best to feck off quick regardless of being native American,White or Mexican.

    A fate worse than death

    Gregory Michno
  • SDAddick said:

    Redskin said:

    SDAddick said:

    Redskin said:

    SDAddick said:

    Redskin said:

    Thank-you, Peter.
    #metoo

    Are you of Native American descent?
    No.
    Okay, your username is a racial slur for Native Americans.
    Really? No-one's ever mentioned that on here before.
    If they have I haven't seen it.

    Why would you keep it if you knew it was a racial slur? Actually, why would you choose it in the first place?
    Charlton play in red. I have skin. I've offered - more than once - to change my name if people found their sensibilities so offended by it, but to date no- one has. You, I suspect, might be the exception. Complain to admin if you find it upsetting.
  • Redskin said:

    SDAddick said:

    Redskin said:

    SDAddick said:

    Redskin said:

    SDAddick said:

    Redskin said:

    Thank-you, Peter.
    #metoo

    Are you of Native American descent?
    No.
    Okay, your username is a racial slur for Native Americans.
    Really? No-one's ever mentioned that on here before.
    If they have I haven't seen it.

    Why would you keep it if you knew it was a racial slur? Actually, why would you choose it in the first place?
    Charlton play in red. I have skin. I've offered - more than once - to change my name if people found their sensibilities so offended by it, but to date no- one has. You, I suspect, might be the exception. Complain to admin if you find it upsetting.
    OK fair enough.
  • Ffs an interesting thread and you inject that ??

    cant think what book it was in but reading about the Comanche if you saw them coming over the hill (if) it was best to feck off quick regardless of being native American,White or Mexican.

    The comanche (Southern Plains Tribe) for reasons I dont know, were perceived as being the most sadistic of tribes in terms of torture before death. This may be the reason why there was a saying in the US army to save the last bullet for yourself.

    George Custer had two major wounds. One in the chest and one clean wound in the temple. There is one school of thought that the temple wound may have been self inflicted or carried out by his brother Tom at tge last knockings.
  • SDAddick said:

    Redskin said:

    SDAddick said:

    Redskin said:

    SDAddick said:

    Redskin said:

    Thank-you, Peter.
    #metoo

    Are you of Native American descent?
    No.
    Okay, your username is a racial slur for Native Americans.
    Really? No-one's ever mentioned that on here before.
    If they have I haven't seen it.

    Why would you keep it if you knew it was a racial slur? Actually, why would you choose it in the first place?
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  • @Redskin In today's political correct world, there are sone in America that find the term offensive. In recent years, there has been alot of pressue put upon Washington Redskins to change it's name.
  • Sooo, if anyone wants to get started reading up on this very interesting but not for the faint hearted subject...

    The Barbarous years
    The peopling of British North America
    The conflict of civilisations, 1600-1675

    By Bernard Baying



    Savage Kingdom
    Virginia and the founding of English America


    By Benjamin Woolley



    Are both good serious reads.
  • The Earth is Weeping: The Epic Story of the Indian Wars for the American West by Peter Cozzens is excellent.
  • edited May 2018
    PeterGage said:

    @Redskin In today's political correct world, there are sone in America that find the term offensive. In recent years, there has been alot of pressue put upon Washington Redskins to change it's name.

    No, this is a term that's been a slur for a long time. There has been a longstanding campaign for the Redskins, Cleveland Indians, and various other professional and university teams to change their names and mascots from caricatures of Native Americans.

    My parents' Alma mater for example
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Illiniwek?wprov=sfla1
  • stonemuse said:

    The Earth is Weeping: The Epic Story of the Indian Wars for the American West by Peter Cozzens is excellent.

    stonemuse said:

    The Earth is Weeping: The Epic Story of the Indian Wars for the American West by Peter Cozzens is excellent.

    Thanks. I was not aware of this book but I have ordered it from Amazon.Thanks again.
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  • Ffs an interesting thread and you inject that ??

    cant think what book it was in but reading about the Comanche if you saw them coming over the hill (if) it was best to feck off quick regardless of being native American,White or Mexican.

    Apparently they were the greatest horse thieves on the Plains -and that is a compliment not an insult!
  • What a fantastic thread. Charlton Life at its best, well done Peter.
  • PeterGage said:

    Ffs an interesting thread and you inject that ??

    cant think what book it was in but reading about the Comanche if you saw them coming over the hill (if) it was best to feck off quick regardless of being native American,White or Mexican.

    The comanche (Southern Plains Tribe) for reasons I dont know, were perceived as being the most sadistic of tribes in terms of torture before death. This may be the reason why there was a saying in the US army to save the last bullet for yourself.

    George Custer had two major wounds. One in the chest and one clean wound in the temple. There is one school of thought that the temple wound may have been self inflicted or carried out by his brother Tom at tge last knockings.
    Tend to go along with the suicide theory. In one account (from the Indian side)he was one of the first to be shot.
  • I have been overwhelmed by the interest on here - thank you

    @WrightCharlie and @Davo55. Thanks for your kind offer to contribute. May I suggest that you follow the same course as me, by giving via Pay Pal: details are:

    Wounded Knee District School
    On the confirmation of my last payment, the follow details were provided but I dont know if they are generic to the school or specific to my donation: ID 4P071883 UL849313.

    Thanks very much
  • SDAddick said:

    PeterGage said:

    @Redskin In today's political correct world, there are sone in America that find the term offensive. In recent years, there has been alot of pressue put upon Washington Redskins to change it's name.

    No, this is a term that's been a slur for a long time. There has been a longstanding campaign for the Redskins, Cleveland Indians, and various other professional and university teams to change their names and mascots from caricatures of Native Americans.

    My parents' Alma mater for example
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Illiniwek?wprov=sfla1
    Give it a rest.
  • PeterGage said:

    I have been overwhelmed by the interest on here - thank you

    @WrightCharlie and @Davo55. Thanks for your kind offer to contribute. May I suggest that you follow the same course as me, by giving via Pay Pal: details are:

    Wounded Knee District School
    On the confirmation of my last payment, the follow details were provided but I dont know if they are generic to the school or specific to my donation: ID 4P071883 UL849313.

    Thanks very much

    Will do @PeterGage. Thanks, and great stuff from you.
  • Davo55 said:

    PeterGage said:

    I have been overwhelmed by the interest on here - thank you

    @WrightCharlie and @Davo55. Thanks for your kind offer to contribute. May I suggest that you follow the same course as me, by giving via Pay Pal: details are:

    Wounded Knee District School
    On the confirmation of my last payment, the follow details were provided but I dont know if they are generic to the school or specific to my donation: ID 4P071883 UL849313.

    Thanks very much

    Will do @PeterGage. Thanks, and great stuff from you.
    Alan. Please let me know if your attempt to donate was successful. As I eluded to, I dont know how important the ID details that I provided are to the success of the transaction.

    I am really grateful for your offer to donate.
  • Redskin said:

    PeterGage said:

    @Redskin In today's political correct world, there are sone in America that find the term offensive. In recent years, there has been alot of pressue put upon Washington Redskins to change it's name.

    I know, Peter, there was no racial slight intended as any grown-up would appreciate.
    I'm thinking of asking AFKA if I might change my moniker to 'Paleface'.
    Good luck with your project, it sounds fascinating.
    You cannot go with "Paleface" Redskin.

    #blacklivesmatter :smiley:
  • Redskin said:

    PeterGage said:

    @Redskin In today's political correct world, there are sone in America that find the term offensive. In recent years, there has been alot of pressue put upon Washington Redskins to change it's name.

    I know, Peter, there was no racial slight intended as any grown-up would appreciate.
    I'm thinking of asking AFKA if I might change my moniker to 'Paleface'.
    Good luck with your project, it sounds fascinating.
    I dont have an issue with your CL name but just thought that may wish to know of the feelings in the USA.
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  • edited June 2018
    PeterGage said:

    Davo55 said:

    PeterGage said:

    I have been overwhelmed by the interest on here - thank you

    @WrightCharlie and @Davo55. Thanks for your kind offer to contribute. May I suggest that you follow the same course as me, by giving via Pay Pal: details are:

    Wounded Knee District School
    On the confirmation of my last payment, the follow details were provided but I dont know if they are generic to the school or specific to my donation: ID 4P071883 UL849313.

    Thanks very much

    Will do @PeterGage. Thanks, and great stuff from you.
    Alan. Please let me know if your attempt to donate was successful. As I eluded to, I dont know how important the ID details that I provided are to the success of the transaction.

    I am really grateful for your offer to donate.
    @PeterGage

    Pete - and anyone else interested

    Donation made, and its very simple.

    1. Google Wounded Knee District School
    2. Go to their web site, home page
    3. Top right hand of screen is a donate button, click on that
    4. Gives you an option to pay by PayPal or with a debit or credit card. I chose Paypal.
    5. Enter the amount you want send in US$, it will tell you how much that is in £GBP
    6. Confirm

    Your ID must have been specific to you Pete.

    Cheers. Hope to see you at the Valley next season, under new ownership.
  • Davo55 said:

    PeterGage said:

    Davo55 said:

    PeterGage said:

    I have been overwhelmed by the interest on here - thank you

    @WrightCharlie and @Davo55. Thanks for your kind offer to contribute. May I suggest that you follow the same course as me, by giving via Pay Pal: details are:

    Wounded Knee District School
    On the confirmation of my last payment, the follow details were provided but I dont know if they are generic to the school or specific to my donation: ID 4P071883 UL849313.

    Thanks very much

    Will do @PeterGage. Thanks, and great stuff from you.
    Alan. Please let me know if your attempt to donate was successful. As I eluded to, I dont know how important the ID details that I provided are to the success of the transaction.

    I am really grateful for your offer to donate.
    @PeterGage

    Pete - and anyone else interested

    Donation made, and its very simple.

    1. Google Wounded Knee District School
    2. Go to their web site, home page
    3. Top right hand of screen is a donate button, click on that
    4. Gives you an option to pay by PayPal or with a debit or credit card. I chose Paypal.
    5. Enter the amount you want send in US$, it will tell you how much that is in £GBP
    6. Confirm

    Your ID must have been specific to you Pete.

    Cheers. Hope to see you at the Valley next season, under new ownership.
    Thanks Alan. I shall certainly be back at The Valley under new ownership. We must share a beer or two when that scenario is in place.

    Thanks Alan for your donation.
  • Hi @PeterGage I replied to your message before coming in to read this thread again so please ignore my suggestions on how to get the cash to you :smile: as I just followed Alan's lead and sent my donation direct to the School.
  • Hi @PeterGage I replied to your message before coming in to read this thread again so please ignore my suggestions on how to get the cash to you :smile: as I just followed Alan's lead and sent my donation direct to the School.

    Thanks @WrightCharlie, much appreciated.
  • May be of interest to some.  Wednesday's Mirror featured the story behind Costner's Western movie Horizon: An American Saga. 

    It seems the film series itself has a few problems


  • Thanks for posting. I really enjoyed the film and am looking forward to the sequal. 
  • The excellent Empire podcasts takes a look a American expansion in several recent episodes starting at this one linked

    https://overcast.fm/+7nFPcyqHM


  • "White man came across the sea, He brought us pain and misery".
     
    - S. Harris, 1982
  • PeterGage said:
    Thanks for posting. I really enjoyed the film and am looking forward to the sequal. 
    Peter, I found this book very interesting. In case you haven't read it: Trail of Tears: The Rise and Fall of the Cherokee Nation eBook : Ehle, John: Amazon.co.uk: Books
  • Thanks for the book recommendations guys. I’ve tried to learn about Native American history when visiting friends in Arizona a couple of times and again at the museum in DC. I’ve always found it pretty inaccessible to reading one or two of these books should be a better starting point.
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