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  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    charltonJ said:

    Wheresmeticket? said:

    A brilliant opportunity for far right wankers to feel oppressed. Fuck them and everything they stand for. I don't for a moment believe that this dickhead cares about child abuse, he cares about race.

    What race?
    Race as an issue.
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    edited May 2018
    DRAddick said:

    palarsehater said:

    Algarveaddick said:

    palarsehater said:

    We have an Asian grooming gang epidemic in the U.K. and it gets v little coverage - that is not bullshit or a brexiteers opinion its a fact. Tommy is a little too radical for me and people do interpret the things he says a little too literally but I don’t think what he done was that bad and good on him for broadcasting it

    I think it does get coverage.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-tyne-40830816

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/948836/Grooming-gang-victims-like-trophies-Burton-on-Trent-in-Staffordshire

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-36559092

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3538445/edl-protest-huddersfield-gang-sex-crimes-young-women/

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-43126804

    I think people like Yaxley-Lennon just want to pretend it doesn't to feed their own desire for attention.
    Are any of those links for this specific trial?

    Also proof that there is a serious problem especially in the north of the country, aren’t 85% of child grooming attacks carried out by Asian males?.
    I highly doubt that. Can you link to any reliable sources with facts that show this? More likely to be 85% of current suspects in the public eye are Asian males.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html


    And that’s from the independent, as opposed to the sun, daily mail ( right wing newspapers LOL )

    These type of paedophilic rings tend to be Asian, what I am not saying is 85% of all peaophiles in the U.K. are Asian.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    palarsehater said:

    DRAddick said:

    palarsehater said:

    Algarveaddick said:

    palarsehater said:

    We have an Asian grooming gang epidemic in the U.K. and it gets v little coverage - that is not bullshit or a brexiteers opinion its a fact. Tommy is a little too radical for me and people do interpret the things he says a little too literally but I don’t think what he done was that bad and good on him for broadcasting it

    I think it does get coverage.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-tyne-40830816

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/948836/Grooming-gang-victims-like-trophies-Burton-on-Trent-in-Staffordshire

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-36559092

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3538445/edl-protest-huddersfield-gang-sex-crimes-young-women/

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-43126804

    I think people like Yaxley-Lennon just want to pretend it doesn't to feed their own desire for attention.
    Are any of those links for this specific trial?

    Also proof that there is a serious problem especially in the north of the country, aren’t 85% of child grooming attacks carried out by Asian males?.
    I highly doubt that. Can you link to any reliable sources with facts that show this? More likely to be 85% of current suspects in the public eye are Asian males.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/quilliam-grooming-gangs-report-asian-abuse-rotherham-rochdale-newcastle-a8101941.html


    And that’s from the independent, as opposed to the sun, daily mail ( right wing newspapers LOL )

    These type of paedophilic rings tend to be Asian, what I am not saying is 85% of all peaophiles in the U.K. are Asian.
    Glad you edited that... It does seem to be a very particular issue it seems to Pakistani men. There was another case recently involving a mother being imprisoned for sending her daughter to Pakistan to marry a much older relative. This is a cultural thing that is utter anathema to most in this country, and has to be be dealt with - unlike it was by the police in Rochdale. Bit please, don't let that bellend "Tommy Robinson" be the voice against it.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    I should add that child brides are an issue in many places other than Pakistan (Islam is a common if not overreaching theme it seems), and there were many other issues at play regarding the grooming gangs.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Henry Irving said:

    Can't get any clearer than that. Indeed he was lucky he didn't get the maximum sentence.

    Wouldn't surprise me if it was a deliberate attempt so as to be seen as a 'martyr'.
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,290
  • cfgs
    cfgs Posts: 11,476
    aliwibble said:

    That is very enlightening. Racists wanted race riots more than punishment for child rapists, shows are sick they are.
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,737
    edited May 2018
    aliwibble said:

    That just goes to show that the far right are just as evil as the people they demonise. What a fucked up world we live in.
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    McBobbin said:

    I should add that child brides are an issue in many places other than Pakistan (Islam is a common if not overreaching theme it seems), and there were many other issues at play regarding the grooming gangs.

    Yes, indeed. Many would be shocked to know that 200,000 children, some as young as ten, were married in one particular country in the last 15 years. Step forward the US of A and take a bow. https://independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html
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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,995
    cafcfan said:

    McBobbin said:

    I should add that child brides are an issue in many places other than Pakistan (Islam is a common if not overreaching theme it seems), and there were many other issues at play regarding the grooming gangs.

    Yes, indeed. Many would be shocked to know that 200,000 children, some as young as ten, were married in one particular country in the last 15 years. Step forward the US of A and take a bow. https://independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html
    Bad, but not quite as bad as the headline would have you believe.

    Eight-seven per cent of the minors who married across the country between 2000 and 2015 were girls, with the majority either 16 or 17.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    cafcfan said:

    McBobbin said:

    I should add that child brides are an issue in many places other than Pakistan (Islam is a common if not overreaching theme it seems), and there were many other issues at play regarding the grooming gangs.

    Yes, indeed. Many would be shocked to know that 200,000 children, some as young as ten, were married in one particular country in the last 15 years. Step forward the US of A and take a bow. https://independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html
    This is worth reading as well: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-41727495/why-does-the-us-have-so-many-child-brides
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,243
    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.
  • Howells
    Howells Posts: 253
    Carter said:

    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.

    Superb post.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Carter said:

    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.

    Because he's so blatantly motivated by his hatred of Islam... Crikey I'm almost violently atheist. I am agaisnt the death penalty but anyone who touched my girls I'd kill personally... And would encourage others to do the same... However, he's a fucking prick.

    What's barely mentioned is the victims, the most vulnerable in society. Same victims that the Jimmy savills and Cyril Smith's of this world go for.

    I saw the documentary about Robinson, he's clearly intelligent and knowledgeable, but can't seem to tackle the actual issues.
  • DRAddick
    DRAddick Posts: 3,588
    Carter said:

    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.

    Why do we when his entire behaviour is based on his own prejudices? If he cares so strongly about child sexual exploitation then where have his protests been towards the church? Towards mp's? Towards innumerable paedophile problems involving non Asians/Muslims over the years? And as already pointed out, towards his own edl mates not too long ago?

    Yes we are saying treating kids this way is unacceptable and have been as long as I can remember. Can't see how you've missed that other than for effect.
  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 26,290
    Carter said:

    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.

    Because there are reporting restrictions on the trial(s) concerned, which other media organisations are abiding by. Once verdicts and possibly sentencing on that case and any associated cases are in, THEN they can report on it, but not before. His attempts at pursuing his own personal agenda are putting the prosecutions at risk, and might mean that the victims don't get justice cos they can't face the ordeal of having to testify again at a retrial. He was explicitly warned by the judge when his suspended sentence was handed down NOT to pull that kind of stunt again, so he's either an idiot or trying to make himself some kind of free speech martyr, when in reality he's just being a twat.
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    This is what he judge said when TR illegally filmed inside a court during proceedings.
    "This is not about free speech, not about the freedom of the press, nor about legitimate journalism, and not about political correctness. It is about justice and ensuring that a trial can be carried out justly and fairly, it's about being innocent until proven guilty. It is about preserving the integrity of the jury to continue without people being intimidated or being affected by irresponsible and inaccurate ‘reporting’, if that’s what it was".

    She gave him a suspended sentence. He later attempted to film outside Leeds court, in breach of the terms of his suspension.

    Having said that the prison has a legal duty of care to protect him from attack whilst in prison, just like they do towards other potential targets, without prejudice as to whether or not they are seen to "deserve" it.
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    Bedsaddick said:

    aliwibble said:

    That just goes to show that the far right are just as evil as the people they demonise. What a fucked up world we live in.
    Maybe if we protected the kids in the 1st place.
  • Oakster
    Oakster Posts: 6,812
    Bournemouth Addick said:

    Ezra Levant seems nice.

    Unfortunately he's from my neck of the woods here in Alberta - he is absolutely hated out here, a really nasty piece of work.
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  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    edited May 2018
    Leaving TR aside, why are most of these trials kept quiet and why could they be jeopardised by reporters outside the courts? I thought that usually the police want as much publicity as possible, just in case there are more victims. You only have to look at other high profile cases like Rolph Harris, Max Clifford and even Cliff Richard, where the BBC went out their way and broke the rules to cover and publicise the investigation (helicopter filming the police going in and reporters, reporting "live" from his doorstep), even though there was no case brought in the end.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    edited May 2018
    Wrong thread, post removed
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,000
    palarsehater said:

    Bedsaddick said:

    aliwibble said:

    That just goes to show that the far right are just as evil as the people they demonise. What a fucked up world we live in.
    Maybe if we protected the kids in the 1st place.
    The kids might end up in more danger now - if his actions do lead to a mistrial then the people involved could end up walking free.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,035
    Carter said:

    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.

    Looking at the comments of the judge that just convicted him, he wasn't actually "attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events" he was videoing himself screaming "Muslim rapists" etc at the accused (before they've been convicted), presumably to the delight of the morons that look up to him.

    I genuinely don't see why you wouldn't vilify a man repeatedly doing this.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    What carter said with bells on
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,153
    palarsehater said:

    Algarveaddick said:

    palarsehater said:

    We have an Asian grooming gang epidemic in the U.K. and it gets v little coverage - that is not bullshit or a brexiteers opinion its a fact. Tommy is a little too radical for me and people do interpret the things he says a little too literally but I don’t think what he done was that bad and good on him for broadcasting it

    I think it does get coverage.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-england-tyne-40830816

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/948836/Grooming-gang-victims-like-trophies-Burton-on-Trent-in-Staffordshire

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-36559092

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3538445/edl-protest-huddersfield-gang-sex-crimes-young-women/

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-43126804

    I think people like Yaxley-Lennon just want to pretend it doesn't to feed their own desire for attention.
    Are any of those links for this specific trial?

    Also proof that there is a serious problem especially in the north of the country, aren’t 85% of child grooming attacks carried out by Asian males?.
    You did not mention this specific trial though. You wrote: " We have an Asian grooming gang epidemic in the U.K. and it gets v little coverage - that is not bullshit or a brexiteers opinion its a fact".

    I proved your "fact" was, in fact, wrong, by showing you that it does get coverage.

    The problem is that like many people on other social media platforms, too many people get their "facts" from right wing websites and facebook pages. The OP's link being a prime example, where the right winger spouting off "forgot" to mention the suspended sentence. As with certain other threads, people change tack suddenly after being proved wrong. Your credibility is improved by recognising when you have been given wrong information, not diminished.

    Others have explained why the current trial has restrictions placed on it. I have had my opinion changed after reading what has been written. I was wrong because I had not looked at the information properly.

    You are correct that there is undoubtedly a serious problem, and the large majority of groups attacking vulnerable youngsters are of Asian (mainly Pakistani, in fact) origin. This link makes interesting reading, and if Yaxley-Lennon had been outside one of the trials of Type 2 abusers, I might believe that he could have a motivation beyond hatred of Islam and Asians.

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/what-do-we-know-about-the-ethnicity-of-sexual-abuse-gangs
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221
    Addickted said:

    Henry Irving said:

    Can't get any clearer than that. Indeed he was lucky he didn't get the maximum sentence.

    Wouldn't surprise me if it was a deliberate attempt so as to be seen as a 'martyr'.
    Neither would I

    And look at how many people are falling for it.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,000
    Carter said:

    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.

    Because he IS being racist. As others have said he's only turned up at non-White trials and he has done no ''reporting" just hung around like a bad smell shouting racial insults.

    Maybe more should be done to raise awareness but not like that and not by him.
  • Howells
    Howells Posts: 253
    thenewbie said:

    Carter said:

    You need to listen to what he is saying and doing without prejudice. I know it's trendy and politically correct to hammer him however he is speaking and being listened to. The real danger is people dismiss it what he is saying as racist, because it isn't and he isn't a racist. That is lazy. Also it brings no parity to any debate or addresses any points he is raising, everyone rightly was disgusted when they watched the BBC programme about Rotherham and rightly so. Now that's faded from memory why are the media not attending the courts where the accused are standing trial and giving us updates of the days events? Why are we not as a nation saying treating kids this way is unacceptable?

    I genuinely don't see how a man doing this is vilified.

    Because he IS being racist. As others have said he's only turned up at non-White trials and he has done no ''reporting" just hung around like a bad smell shouting racial insults.

    Maybe more should be done to raise awareness but not like that and not by him.

    Can you please provide some links to this?

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