Owen Jones grandfather was involved with the Communist Party. His parents were both members of Militant Tendency and before he became a journalist he was a parliamentary researcher working for John McDonnell. I don't listen to his views .
He’s claimed not to be a Marxist in the past and now when it’s cool again to be a socialist he acts like Marx was the second coming.
Everybody left of centre is influenced by Marx including social democrats. I would advise people to never admit to marxist influence as too many people don't understand what it means.
Everybody left of centre is influenced by Marx including social democrats. I would advise people to never admit to marxist influence as too many people don't understand what it means.
People would say that the opposite of Capitalism is Marxism. And when both are taken to extremes that is a fair analogy. But personally I consider myself both a caring capitalist and somebody with Marxist leanings. I do not believe everything should be owned by the state or the people and nor does Corbyn - at least the last Labour manifesto wasn't advocating this. I believe you have to have enterprise to succeed and people need incentives to succeed. But I don't believe in the poor being exploited by the rich. I want to see a fairer society whilst accepting a eutopian totally fair society is impossible. So fairer is my nod to Marxism and rewarding enterprise is my nod to Capitalism. Now sometimes people conflate hard work with wealth but my sense of injustice is that many very poor people work extremely hard. I am not comfortable with working people being in poverty. Actually I don't like any body in poverty but people working two jobs and being poor just feels wrong!That is what I consider my Marxist influence.
We have to remember that Marx lived a long time ago and his theories were developed based on what he saw in his time. Whilst he can be called the father of Communism, it is ignorant to presume that the Soviet Union manifestation of Communism was what he advocated. But people need incentives and reward for hard work and enterprise in my view, it is just we can do things in a fairer way. So for me that last bit is my Marxist influence. I explain it because if I didn't people would assume I was a communist - Oh I forgot, they will assume that anyway if it suits their agenda. And whilst that doesn't really matter with me, that is also what they do with Corbyn.
Anyway, @PragueAddick what about the Russian claims that the poisonous substance could have come from the Czech Republic
Yes...or Sweden, according to them. This is what I meant by the Russian media moving straight from propaganda under Communism to State directed trolling.
The Czechs I mix with think it's hilarious, since their odious President (who lost 80:20 in the area of Prague where I live) is widely considered to be a Putin puppet, one of his key advisors gets Lukoil money. And this is their reward. The Czechs see the funny side of things like this.
How you would define it would be far more interesting and illuminating i'm sure.
I see it as a front for the far left and a way of removing MPs opposed to the Corbyn ideology.
Momentum are the clone of ken Livingstone's far left movement in 1981. Red Ken is persona non Grata in 2018 but he was the far lefts great hope back then. He encouraged his comrades to stand for the GLC, in a vote, he was beaten 14-13 by the moderate Andrew McIntosh. Within 24 hours there was a coup d'etat and Livingstone was leader. Momentum's raison d'etre is to deselect the labour moderates and people they see as to the right of the Labour party. There would be one socialist voice according to momentum. Good old fashion Marxism.
The world of gathering intelligence, I should imagine ,is incredibly complex, yet the Conservative party seem really hasty in turning it into a Russian/ Putin plot. It’s really useful when brexit is in turmoil and an easy Corbyn hit. It’s amazing how the country gets behind a bit of jingoism and those who want to look at things from all angles first ,are branded soft or traitors .I think now that May has played her cards, any result which is other then ‘it was the Russians’ is likely to be hushed up. I think it is also likely that intelligence groups know exactly what went on, but are a complete law unto themselves both in the UK , US and Russia.
The world of gathering intelligence, I should imagine ,is incredibly complex, yet the Conservative party seem really hasty in turning it into a Russian/ Putin plot. It’s really useful when brexit is in turmoil and an easy Corbyn hit. It’s amazing how the country gets behind a bit of jingoism and those who want to look at things from all angles first ,are branded soft or traitors .I think now that May has played her cards, any result which is other then ‘it was the Russians’ is likely to be hushed up. I think it is also likely that intelligence groups know exactly what went on, but are a complete law unto themselves both in the UK , US and Russia.
This certainly is a distraction from Brexit but how long can the story run for? Labour are now supporting the overview that it must be the Russian state through specific order or neglect of control of the nerve agent. But it's the chief Brexiteer, Johnson who has decided to go "all-in" on the Putin blame game.
Those more familiar with the media might give an estimated lifespan for the story. The fact is it doesn't change the Irish border question re. Brexit. Nor does it change the deadlines on that process.
Greenie knows his onions on all things history and the WW2
I disagree on the corbyn point but I love reading his factual assessment on all things war related this is the shit we should be teaching our kids from young with regards British history
So a foreign nation trying to poison people on British soil using a deadly nerve agent is "a distraction from Brexit"?
Bore off.
As opposed to a british agent ending up dead in a suitcase explained with a crap story about some kind of sex fetish. That receives no massive government statements. /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams
Everything you need to know about Putins Russia can be gained from the statistic that he was re-elected with 76% of the vote.
Regardless of what might or might not have gone on in Salisbury a couple of weeks ago, Putin is a dictator and criminal right up there with the worst of them. As long as Russia is under the control of Putin, the world is a far more dangerous place.
So a foreign nation trying to poison people on British soil using a deadly nerve agent is "a distraction from Brexit"?
Bore off.
To play Devil's advocate, the timing by whoever is responsible works out very well for May. Some nationalistic chest-thumping and a convenient (foreign) boogeyman for the people of Britain to unite against... That's helpful to her in the short term at the very least. Brexit was divisive, Us vs. Them wasn't working so well when some of Us never wanted to leave Them. So now it's a new enemy, Russia and it's an easier sell for sure.
All hypothetical obviously, not say this is 100% true but bears consideration.
So a foreign nation trying to poison people on British soil using a deadly nerve agent is "a distraction from Brexit"?
Bore off.
To play Devil's advocate, the timing by whoever is responsible works out very well for May. Some nationalistic chest-thumping and a convenient (foreign) boogeyman for the people of Britain to unite against... That's helpful to her in the short term at the very least. Brexit was divisive, Us vs. Them wasn't working so well when some of Us never wanted to leave Them. So now it's a new enemy, Russia and it's an easier sell for sure.
All hypothetical obviously, not say this is 100% true but bears consideration.
So a foreign nation trying to poison people on British soil using a deadly nerve agent is "a distraction from Brexit"?
Bore off.
To play Devil's advocate, the timing by whoever is responsible works out very well for May. Some nationalistic chest-thumping and a convenient (foreign) boogeyman for the people of Britain to unite against... That's helpful to her in the short term at the very least. Brexit was divisive, Us vs. Them wasn't working so well when some of Us never wanted to leave Them. So now it's a new enemy, Russia and it's an easier sell for sure.
All hypothetical obviously, not say this is 100% true but bears consideration.
A la Thatcher and the Falklands.
Indeed... Though it is definitely to be hoped that this time it does not lead to war.
I think it is unlikely to lead to a war. It isn't in anybody's interests. It has helped Putin in the context of his election - but he hardly needed it, It helps the government deflect from Brexit and hammer Corbyn and before you know it the diplomats will be back in situ. What may happen that is positive is the government may now be forced to get hard on the dirty Russian money, much of it belonging to Putin's mates. Something they have actually tried to dodge until this despite Labour efforts to address. But in this upside down world who knows!
So a foreign nation trying to poison people on British soil using a deadly nerve agent is "a distraction from Brexit"?
Bore off.
To play Devil's advocate, the timing by whoever is responsible works out very well for May. Some nationalistic chest-thumping and a convenient (foreign) boogeyman for the people of Britain to unite against... That's helpful to her in the short term at the very least. Brexit was divisive, Us vs. Them wasn't working so well when some of Us never wanted to leave Them. So now it's a new enemy, Russia and it's an easier sell for sure.
All hypothetical obviously, not say this is 100% true but bears consideration.
I don't dispute that.
It's just that everyone of SRs posts on this thread mentions Brexit. I've kept way from the Brexit thread for about 6k posts, I really don't need to be told of how stupid it is in every thread SR posts in.
The world of gathering intelligence, I should imagine ,is incredibly complex, yet the Conservative party seem really hasty in turning it into a Russian/ Putin plot. It’s really useful when brexit is in turmoil and an easy Corbyn hit. It’s amazing how the country gets behind a bit of jingoism and those who want to look at things from all angles first ,are branded soft or traitors .I think now that May has played her cards, any result which is other then ‘it was the Russians’ is likely to be hushed up. I think it is also likely that intelligence groups know exactly what went on, but are a complete law unto themselves both in the UK , US and Russia.
This certainly is a distraction from Brexit but how long can the story run for? Labour are now supporting the overview that it must be the Russian state through specific order or neglect of control of the nerve agent. But it's the chief Brexiteer, Johnson who has decided to go "all-in" on the Putin blame game.
Those more familiar with the media might give an estimated lifespan for the story. The fact is it doesn't change the Irish border question re. Brexit. Nor does it change the deadlines on that process.
Its also a distraction from Robinson's abject performance as 'manager' of CAFC. So it's probably not Putin at all. Oh no. That bastard Boris is simply deflecting everyone away from Robbo. How long can this go on?
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We have to remember that Marx lived a long time ago and his theories were developed based on what he saw in his time. Whilst he can be called the father of Communism, it is ignorant to presume that the Soviet Union manifestation of Communism was what he advocated. But people need incentives and reward for hard work and enterprise in my view, it is just we can do things in a fairer way. So for me that last bit is my Marxist influence. I explain it because if I didn't people would assume I was a communist - Oh I forgot, they will assume that anyway if it suits their agenda. And whilst that doesn't really matter with me, that is also what they do with Corbyn.
How would you define Momentum ?
The Czechs I mix with think it's hilarious, since their odious President (who lost 80:20 in the area of Prague where I live) is widely considered to be a Putin puppet, one of his key advisors gets Lukoil money. And this is their reward. The Czechs see the funny side of things like this.
Momentum's raison d'etre is to deselect the labour moderates and people they see as to the right of the Labour party.
There would be one socialist voice according to momentum. Good old fashion Marxism.
Those more familiar with the media might give an estimated lifespan for the story. The fact is it doesn't change the Irish border question re. Brexit. Nor does it change the deadlines on that process.
Bore off.
I disagree on the corbyn point but I love reading his factual assessment on all things war related this is the shit we should be teaching our kids from young with regards British history
They are all C**ts
Regardless of what might or might not have gone on in Salisbury a couple of weeks ago, Putin is a dictator and criminal right up there with the worst of them. As long as Russia is under the control of Putin, the world is a far more dangerous place.
All hypothetical obviously, not say this is 100% true but bears consideration.
It's just that everyone of SRs posts on this thread mentions Brexit. I've kept way from the Brexit thread for about 6k posts, I really don't need to be told of how stupid it is in every thread SR posts in.
https://news.sky.com/video/interview-litvinenkos-wife-on-salisbury-poisoning-11297268
So it's probably not Putin at all.
Oh no.
That bastard Boris is simply deflecting everyone away from Robbo.
How long can this go on?
Wibble wibble.