I'm not really bothered about whether The man dies or not. Sorry but I don't want to sound callous here but the Russians have been killing in the UK for sometime without a murmur from our government. It's the method of the attempted assassination thats the real issue here and not the outcome. Latest reports say that the chemical was applied to the house and front door. This is a total disregard to innocent people lives; postman and police etc.
PS: pleased to hear that he is making a recovery but more concerned on long impact on the copper.
I'm not really bothered about whether The man dies or not. Sorry but I don't want to sound callous here but the Russians have been killing in the UK for sometime without a murmur from our government. It's the method of the attempted assassination thats the real issue here and not the outcome. Latest reports say that the chemical was applied to the house and front door. This is a total disregard to innocent people lives; postman and police etc.
PS: pleased to hear that he is making a recovery but more concerned on long impact on the copper.
He is a British citizen, because our government decided he had served the U.K. well. So he is as deserving of the U.K. State's protection as much as you, I and the policeman. That's how it works.
I'm not really bothered about whether The man dies or not. Sorry but I don't want to sound callous here but the Russians have been killing in the UK for sometime without a murmur from our government. It's the method of the attempted assassination thats the real issue here and not the outcome. Latest reports say that the chemical was applied to the house and front door. This is a total disregard to innocent people lives; postman and police etc.
PS: pleased to hear that he is making a recovery but more concerned on long impact on the copper.
I'm not really bothered about whether The man dies or not. Sorry but I don't want to sound callous here but the Russians have been killing in the UK for sometime without a murmur from our government. It's the method of the attempted assassination thats the real issue here and not the outcome. Latest reports say that the chemical was applied to the house and front door. This is a total disregard to innocent people lives; postman and police etc.
PS: pleased to hear that he is making a recovery but more concerned on long impact on the copper.
He is a British citizen, because our government decided he had served the U.K. well. So he is as deserving of the U.K. State's protection as much as you, I and the policeman. That's how it works.
Don't upset the Ruskis when you get your Czech passport or the British public will just step over you.
I'm not really bothered about whether The man dies or not. Sorry but I don't want to sound callous here but the Russians have been killing in the UK for sometime without a murmur from our government. It's the method of the attempted assassination thats the real issue here and not the outcome. Latest reports say that the chemical was applied to the house and front door. This is a total disregard to innocent people lives; postman and police etc.
PS: pleased to hear that he is making a recovery but more concerned on long impact on the copper.
He is a British citizen, because our government decided he had served the U.K. well. So he is as deserving of the U.K. State's protection as much as you, I and the policeman. That's how it works.
I don’t think I mentioned anything about his/their citizenship. He is a Russian and he knew the risks when opposing Putin or the Russian Government and unless the UK gave him 24hour protection then he is exposed to retribution. There is a strong suspicion that the Russians suffocated or strangled a fellow Russian in Kensington. No hooha about this...as I said it’s the method/use of chemicals to kill that’s the issue here.
I'm not really bothered about whether The man dies or not. Sorry but I don't want to sound callous here but the Russians have been killing in the UK for sometime without a murmur from our government. It's the method of the attempted assassination thats the real issue here and not the outcome. Latest reports say that the chemical was applied to the house and front door. This is a total disregard to innocent people lives; postman and police etc.
PS: pleased to hear that he is making a recovery but more concerned on long impact on the copper.
He is a British citizen, because our government decided he had served the U.K. well. So he is as deserving of the U.K. State's protection as much as you, I and the policeman. That's how it works.
Don't upset the Ruskis when you get your Czech passport or the British public will just step over you.
There is this thing in the world called dual citizenship. Ask Lord Ashcroft about it.
I'm not really bothered about whether The man dies or not. Sorry but I don't want to sound callous here but the Russians have been killing in the UK for sometime without a murmur from our government. It's the method of the attempted assassination thats the real issue here and not the outcome. Latest reports say that the chemical was applied to the house and front door. This is a total disregard to innocent people lives; postman and police etc.
PS: pleased to hear that he is making a recovery but more concerned on long impact on the copper.
He is a British citizen, because our government decided he had served the U.K. well. So he is as deserving of the U.K. State's protection as much as you, I and the policeman. That's how it works.
I don’t think I mentioned anything about his/their citizenship. He is a Russian and he knew the risks when opposing Putin or the Russian Government and unless the UK gave him 24hour protection then he is exposed to retribution. There is a strong suspicion that the Russians suffocated or strangled a fellow Russian in Kensington. No hooha about this...as I said it’s the method/use of chemicals to kill that’s the issue here.
But time and again we see how important human intelligence is, and it's something the British Government do very well. And if they want to continue to do it well, they need to protect those who have the courage to step forward and speak out.
No better example than the US Election. For all of our Digital Surveillance, one former-MI6 officer with two phones seems to have produced an incredible amount of raw intelligence that the FBI (CIA, NSA) were slow to react to and seemingly slow to put the pieces together on (in fairness, we don't really know what they knew and when, but by all accounts Steele had to prod them to get them to act).
I'm not really bothered about whether The man dies or not. Sorry but I don't want to sound callous here but the Russians have been killing in the UK for sometime without a murmur from our government. It's the method of the attempted assassination thats the real issue here and not the outcome. Latest reports say that the chemical was applied to the house and front door. This is a total disregard to innocent people lives; postman and police etc.
PS: pleased to hear that he is making a recovery but more concerned on long impact on the copper.
He is a British citizen, because our government decided he had served the U.K. well. So he is as deserving of the U.K. State's protection as much as you, I and the policeman. That's how it works.
I don’t think I mentioned anything about his/their citizenship. He is a Russian and he knew the risks when opposing Putin or the Russian Government and unless the UK gave him 24hour protection then he is exposed to retribution. There is a strong suspicion that the Russians suffocated or strangled a fellow Russian in Kensington. No hooha about this...as I said it’s the method/use of chemicals to kill that’s the issue here.
But time and again we see how important human intelligence is, and it's something the British Government do very well. And if they want to continue to do it well, they need to protect those who have the courage to step forward and speak out.
No better example than the US Election. For all of our Digital Surveillance, one former-MI6 officer with two phones seems to have produced an incredible amount of raw intelligence that the FBI (CIA, NSA) were slow to react to and seemingly slow to put the pieces together on (in fairness, we don't really know what they knew and when, but by all accounts Steele had to prod them to get them to act).
Interesting piece here about Christopher Steele helping out the US intelligence services with a murder committed on US soil by a Russian trying to win favour with Putin.
Interesting. I wonder if Corbyns hounds will say they are terribly sorry for doubting his preferred option to secure proof before shooting from the hip? Cue reporters to intensify anti-Semitism.
The thing is, we all know it is 99.99999999% Russia but building the case with care and internationally, including allowing Russia to try to prove its innocence was the way to pin then down. But everybody thinks it is better to jump up and down throwing accusations that then give the Russians the opportunity to be more aggressive in their defence.
If we can't learn from recent history we will never learn.
Probably the big problem with proving it came from there is owning up to how we know like saying we’ve stolen Russian state secrets or we’ve hacked secure Russian systems or we’ve got people in the inside giving us information. Of course it could have been a bluff all along but then the Russians will wonder if it’s now a double bluff and we are pretending to back down because we don’t want to prove it. Then there’s the old triple bluff where Whitehall just screw up but the Russians think they are up to something...
Glad the government took the action they did. Putin is a dangerous man who has delusions of grandeur and a napoleon complex. Don't forget he is former KGB. Russia's military expansion needs to be checked. This attack was audacious and reckless and a message needs to be sent. I would like to see us pull out of the World Cup because he is using this as showpiece to appease his ego.
Fuller report here, and well worth reading. They are saying that they would not on their own be able to identify the precise source.
But May should have waited before playing her cards. She's handed Putin a free header.
She's shit at her job so no suprises.
Yay. Her and those losers from the rest of the International community who have decided to take action against Russia.
Mugs.
If Russia wanted to kill 2 people with a military grade neave agent.. would they still be alive ?
..bearing in mind a month ago we were told that a gram of this stuff would wipe out an entire city
Perhaps it was his mother in law.
Hadn't thought of that. Do MI5 know?
Im just saying, its like presuming Ronald Mcdonald was the killer becuase someone got beaten to death with a big mac.
I think there is a bit more evidence than that. A public inquiry established what happened to Litvinenko. At the time the government (specifically Theresa May) wanted to bury that issue but his brave widow wasn't allowing that. The Russians reacted much as they are reacting now. You should also remember that when Putin was first elected he defeated a leading liberal, Boris Nemtsov, who continued to oppose him publicly. He doesn't any more, as he was murdered, almost in front of the Kremlin, probably the most secure public space in the country. Yet on the night, by an amazing coincidence, all the security cameras were not functioning, so they cannot show the Chechens whom the State rounded up and convicted, shooting him. This is the country we are dealing with here. Not fucking Norway.
There are Russia watchers who note that different elements of the State sometimes act autonomously, so the FSB might have done this themselves without specifically having cleared it with Putin. But beyond that, what other motives have been established? The Russians are desperately trying to find one, like for example that the Maybot ordered it to 'distract from Brexit". Well that's going well. I expect soon they will try to pin it on Jean-Claude Juncker. Or failing that, Gary Lineker.
Fuller report here, and well worth reading. They are saying that they would not on their own be able to identify the precise source.
But May should have waited before playing her cards. She's handed Putin a free header.
She's shit at her job so no suprises.
Yay. Her and those losers from the rest of the International community who have decided to take action against Russia.
Mugs.
If Russia wanted to kill 2 people with a military grade neave agent.. would they still be alive ?
..bearing in mind a month ago we were told that a gram of this stuff would wipe out an entire city
Perhaps it was his mother in law.
Hadn't thought of that. Do MI5 know?
Im just saying, its like presuming Ronald Mcdonald was the killer becuase someone got beaten to death with a big mac.
I think there is a bit more evidence than that. A public inquiry established what happened to Litvinenko. At the time the government (specifically Theresa May) wanted to bury that issue but his brave widow wasn't allowing that. The Russians reacted much as they are reacting now. You should also remember that when Putin was first elected he defeated a leading liberal, Boris Nemtsov, who continued to oppose him publicly. He doesn't any more, as he was murdered, almost in front of the Kremlin, probably the most secure public space in the country. Yet on the night, by an amazing coincidence, all the security cameras were not functioning, so they cannot show the Chechens whom the State rounded up and convicted, shooting him. This is the country we are dealing with here. Not fucking Norway.
There are Russia watchers who note that different elements of the State sometimes act autonomously, so the FSB might have done this themselves without specifically having cleared it with Putin. But beyond that, what other motives have been established? The Russians are desperately trying to find one, like for example that the Maybot ordered it to 'distract from Brexit". Well that's going well. I expect soon they will try to pin it on Jean-Claude Juncker. Or failing that, Gary Lineker.
Exactly my point, he was shot outside the Kremlin... not kinda poisoned in a half arsed way and left to die in a park
Fuller report here, and well worth reading. They are saying that they would not on their own be able to identify the precise source.
But May should have waited before playing her cards. She's handed Putin a free header.
She's shit at her job so no suprises.
Yay. Her and those losers from the rest of the International community who have decided to take action against Russia.
Mugs.
If Russia wanted to kill 2 people with a military grade neave agent.. would they still be alive ?
..bearing in mind a month ago we were told that a gram of this stuff would wipe out an entire city
Perhaps it was his mother in law.
Hadn't thought of that. Do MI5 know?
Im just saying, its like presuming Ronald Mcdonald was the killer becuase someone got beaten to death with a big mac.
I think there is a bit more evidence than that. A public inquiry established what happened to Litvinenko. At the time the government (specifically Theresa May) wanted to bury that issue but his brave widow wasn't allowing that. The Russians reacted much as they are reacting now. You should also remember that when Putin was first elected he defeated a leading liberal, Boris Nemtsov, who continued to oppose him publicly. He doesn't any more, as he was murdered, almost in front of the Kremlin, probably the most secure public space in the country. Yet on the night, by an amazing coincidence, all the security cameras were not functioning, so they cannot show the Chechens whom the State rounded up and convicted, shooting him. This is the country we are dealing with here. Not fucking Norway.
There are Russia watchers who note that different elements of the State sometimes act autonomously, so the FSB might have done this themselves without specifically having cleared it with Putin. But beyond that, what other motives have been established? The Russians are desperately trying to find one, like for example that the Maybot ordered it to 'distract from Brexit". Well that's going well. I expect soon they will try to pin it on Jean-Claude Juncker. Or failing that, Gary Lineker.
I like “Who dunnit’s”...my money is on the bastard Lineacre
Fuller report here, and well worth reading. They are saying that they would not on their own be able to identify the precise source.
But May should have waited before playing her cards. She's handed Putin a free header.
She's shit at her job so no suprises.
Yay. Her and those losers from the rest of the International community who have decided to take action against Russia.
Mugs.
If Russia wanted to kill 2 people with a military grade neave agent.. would they still be alive ?
..bearing in mind a month ago we were told that a gram of this stuff would wipe out an entire city
Perhaps it was his mother in law.
Hadn't thought of that. Do MI5 know?
Im just saying, its like presuming Ronald Mcdonald was the killer becuase someone got beaten to death with a big mac.
I think there is a bit more evidence than that. A public inquiry established what happened to Litvinenko. At the time the government (specifically Theresa May) wanted to bury that issue but his brave widow wasn't allowing that. The Russians reacted much as they are reacting now. You should also remember that when Putin was first elected he defeated a leading liberal, Boris Nemtsov, who continued to oppose him publicly. He doesn't any more, as he was murdered, almost in front of the Kremlin, probably the most secure public space in the country. Yet on the night, by an amazing coincidence, all the security cameras were not functioning, so they cannot show the Chechens whom the State rounded up and convicted, shooting him. This is the country we are dealing with here. Not fucking Norway.
There are Russia watchers who note that different elements of the State sometimes act autonomously, so the FSB might have done this themselves without specifically having cleared it with Putin. But beyond that, what other motives have been established? The Russians are desperately trying to find one, like for example that the Maybot ordered it to 'distract from Brexit". Well that's going well. I expect soon they will try to pin it on Jean-Claude Juncker. Or failing that, Gary Lineker.
I like “Who dunnit’s”...my money is on that bastard Lineacre
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PS: pleased to hear that he is making a recovery but more concerned on long impact on the copper.
No better example than the US Election. For all of our Digital Surveillance, one former-MI6 officer with two phones seems to have produced an incredible amount of raw intelligence that the FBI (CIA, NSA) were slow to react to and seemingly slow to put the pieces together on (in fairness, we don't really know what they knew and when, but by all accounts Steele had to prod them to get them to act).
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/12/christopher-steele-the-man-behind-the-trump-dossier
Interesting piece here about Christopher Steele helping out the US intelligence services with a murder committed on US soil by a Russian trying to win favour with Putin.
But May should have waited before playing her cards. She's handed Putin a free header.
If we can't learn from recent history we will never learn.
Mugs.
..bearing in mind a month ago we were told that a gram of this stuff would wipe out an entire city
Hadn't thought of that. Do MI5 know?
There are Russia watchers who note that different elements of the State sometimes act autonomously, so the FSB might have done this themselves without specifically having cleared it with Putin. But beyond that, what other motives have been established? The Russians are desperately trying to find one, like for example that the Maybot ordered it to 'distract from Brexit". Well that's going well. I expect soon they will try to pin it on Jean-Claude Juncker. Or failing that, Gary Lineker.
Exactly my point, he was shot outside the Kremlin... not kinda poisoned in a half arsed way and left to die in a park
Plus we dont have any proof as the MOD have just announced.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/salisbury-poisoning-russia-novichok-nerve-agent-porton-down-proof-evidence-mod-latest-a8286761.html