[cite]Posted By: cunningstunt87[/cite]Moving the conversation on, I've often wondered how easy it must be to referee a junior football match (U13's - U18's). Cos they can't really intimidate a referee like you see in mens football. In the height of all seriousness, I actually looked at doing a referee's course a couple of months back but there wasn't one around me. And as I don't drive, getting to games would be a nightmare!
Its just as hard CS87. I did u8's - u12 as a 14 year old ref and it was the parents who shouted the abuse. Then at 17 I did a 5 aside comp in Chelsfield and refed the u16 final. Sent 1 off for violent conduct and another for spitting at me. Luckily my dad was around and so were others otherwise the guys wanted to kill me. I can't stand spitting, it's a cheap shot. The game got abandoned and both players banned for 1 year. Had to go up to London for the hearing and all lasted about 4 hours. It just goes to show......
To be honest, I think I could handle a bit of abuse shouted from 50 metres away. The parents wouldn't worry me at all. Though I know a couple of refs who say it can be harder refereeing junior football to mens football.
50 metres, 5 metres mate no difference, try it mate its hard. When dad of a player is constantly abusing you, your family, and the rest. It's hard to ignore when you can here every bit.
[cite]Posted By: Spankie[/cite]Some referees have to adjust the way they referee. I officiate totally differently on a Saturday to a Sunday. On a Saturday if a player blatantly dived I would probably give an indirect free-kick against and issue a caution. On a Sunday I'm much more likely to just give the "get up" sign.
Is that a problem with the game though - lack of consistency? Why do you feel the need to referee differently?
Never been a referee so not in a position to have a go at you... but very interested in this debate.
this is always something that bugs me. In my mind there are two types of bookings that can be made.
1. to punish someone for a bookable mis-doing
2. to issue a kind of warning when a game is just starting to get a little out of control.
Its those in the category 2 that bug me, when a player is booked for something less than has happened before.
I fully understand why the ref did it at the time, it was starting to get a bit edgy and they just wanted to exert some control to keep the game flowing and stop it escalating. In most instances it was the right thing to in hindsight and kept the game in order, but then after the game it would be great if the ref appreciated there was worse that had happened earlier, admitted it was more a warning from him in keeping the game controllable, and not put through what would be a petty fine for the club.
As an aside, where people say they wish the referee will talk with them more, we'll believe me most would love to but are sadly frightened by the response. It would just escalate further sadly. I know a fella on Spankie's league who was a good ref, but just had enough of the abuse and packed it in. He told me one time there was a bloke who was getting out of control, he was unsure how he would react to him, so he decided to try the pally approach. Pulled him aside, and whispered in his ear 'listen mate' and the bloke just pushed him away saying 'i'm not your f*cking mate'. That's what they have to contend with on a regular basis.
Medders, it's the type of game you're doing. A Kent league match you're expected to caution and will slughtered by the assessor if you don't but a pub game on a Sunday is much less serious which is what CS87 alluded to earlier when the ref overzealously sent a player off when there wasn't a need to. If I got the yellow and red out for everything on a Sunday league match I would end up abandoning most. It's just using some common sense which most players appreciate on a Sunday morning.
As an aside, where people say they wish the referee will talk with them more, we'll believe me most would love to but are sadly frightened by the response. It would just escalate further sadly. I know a fella on Spankie's league who was a good ref, but just had enough of the abuse and packed it in. He told me one time there was a bloke who was getting out of control, he was unsure how he would react to him, so he decided to try the pally approach. Pulled him aside, and whispered in his ear 'listen mate' and the bloke just pushed him away saying 'i'm not your f*cking mate'. That's what they have to contend with on a regular basis.
Unfortunately Afka, thats the way some people are. Its as much societys problem as it is football. But the player/referee interaction would be easier, if there was some form of communication rather than a "Go away or I book ya", which tends to be the attitude of a fair percentage of referees.
It honestly depends on how the referee is approached. If a player is genuinely asking a question I will do my best to answer it. If one is shouting from 20 yards away or running towards me or generally aggressive I'm much more likely to ignore him or tell him to get on with it.
As an aside, where people say they wish the referee will talk with them more, we'll believe me most would love to but are sadly frightened by the response. It would just escalate further sadly. I know a fella on Spankie's league who was a good ref, but just had enough of the abuse and packed it in. He told me one time there was a bloke who was getting out of control, he was unsure how he would react to him, so he decided to try the pally approach. Pulled him aside, and whispered in his ear 'listen mate' and the bloke just pushed him away saying 'i'm not your f*cking mate'. That's what they have to contend with on a regular basis.
if there was some form of communication rather than a "Go away or I book ya", which tends to be the attitude of a fair percentage of referees.
then i suggest you've had an unlucky run with refs if that's true, because its not really something i encounter.
Although we did have a ref stop the game to offer out a member of the opposition at the end of this season, and had to be held back by two of my players !!
I've also explained my decision fairly to players and they've usually retorted with "that's rubbish" or "you're making it up as you go along" or even telling me I don't know the laws of the game like the bloke did in my last game of the season. Er, a trip in a DIRECT free kick! I've given enough to know that at least! There's only a certain amount you can with some players though.
[cite]Posted By: Spankie[/cite]It honestly depends on how the referee is approached. If a player is genuinely asking a question I will do my best to answer it. If one is shouting from 20 yards away or running towards me or generally aggressive I'm much more likely to ignore him or tell him to get on with it.
In fairness, if a players running towards you it maybe because they want clarification on a decison from a distance away.
Last season, we had a referee give a (dubious) penalty from 30 yards. Pointing from that distance it was a bit difficult to work out what decision he had given. So I ran towards him, and my exact words were "What is it? A penalty?" His response was a bit more blunt. "F*ck off or I'll have you in the book for dissent". Now, is that any way to communicate with players and earn their respect? Maybe I just attract poor refs?
[cite]Posted By: Spankie[/cite]It honestly depends on how the referee is approached. If a player is genuinely asking a question I will do my best to answer it. If one is shouting from 20 yards away or running towards me or generally aggressive I'm much more likely to ignore him or tell him to get on with it.
In fairness, if a players running towards you it maybe because they want clarification on a decison from a distance away.
Last season, we had a referee give a (dubious) penalty from 30 yards. Pointing from that distance it was a bit difficult to work out what decision he had given. So I ran towards him, and my exact words were "What is it? A penalty?" His response was a bit more blunt. "F*ck off or I'll have you in the book for dissent". Now, is that any way to communicate with players and earn their respect? Maybe I just attract poor refs?
he didn't like you running out to confront him CS87. He felt intimidated....
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50 metres, 5 metres mate no difference, try it mate its hard. When dad of a player is constantly abusing you, your family, and the rest. It's hard to ignore when you can here every bit.
Is that a problem with the game though - lack of consistency? Why do you feel the need to referee differently?
Never been a referee so not in a position to have a go at you... but very interested in this debate.
this is always something that bugs me. In my mind there are two types of bookings that can be made.
1. to punish someone for a bookable mis-doing
2. to issue a kind of warning when a game is just starting to get a little out of control.
Its those in the category 2 that bug me, when a player is booked for something less than has happened before.
I fully understand why the ref did it at the time, it was starting to get a bit edgy and they just wanted to exert some control to keep the game flowing and stop it escalating. In most instances it was the right thing to in hindsight and kept the game in order, but then after the game it would be great if the ref appreciated there was worse that had happened earlier, admitted it was more a warning from him in keeping the game controllable, and not put through what would be a petty fine for the club.
As an aside, where people say they wish the referee will talk with them more, we'll believe me most would love to but are sadly frightened by the response. It would just escalate further sadly. I know a fella on Spankie's league who was a good ref, but just had enough of the abuse and packed it in. He told me one time there was a bloke who was getting out of control, he was unsure how he would react to him, so he decided to try the pally approach. Pulled him aside, and whispered in his ear 'listen mate' and the bloke just pushed him away saying 'i'm not your f*cking mate'. That's what they have to contend with on a regular basis.
Unfortunately Afka, thats the way some people are. Its as much societys problem as it is football. But the player/referee interaction would be easier, if there was some form of communication rather than a "Go away or I book ya", which tends to be the attitude of a fair percentage of referees.
then i suggest you've had an unlucky run with refs if that's true, because its not really something i encounter.
Although we did have a ref stop the game to offer out a member of the opposition at the end of this season, and had to be held back by two of my players !!
In fairness, if a players running towards you it maybe because they want clarification on a decison from a distance away.
Last season, we had a referee give a (dubious) penalty from 30 yards. Pointing from that distance it was a bit difficult to work out what decision he had given. So I ran towards him, and my exact words were "What is it? A penalty?" His response was a bit more blunt. "F*ck off or I'll have you in the book for dissent". Now, is that any way to communicate with players and earn their respect? Maybe I just attract poor refs?
he didn't like you running out to confront him CS87. He felt intimidated....