I think this is a great opportunity for the 'Murray - Varney live debate - Varney could arrive with airman in a popemobil type vehicle, Murray on the steps at first floor level - loud hailers and lie detectors at the ready and away we go - I'm gonna ring Barry Hearn and see if he can sex this right up - maybe get Nike involved
In fact where is pete's / grapevines long post or have I missed it skim reading - he usually pops up on here after a card statement - come forth out saviour this is your martine mcutchen
RD has just sold our best player for nothing, explicitly said that we can’t reinvest the money and still some continue to say we shouldn’t protest. Incredible.
Exactly. I assume you're travelling down from the north for this one if we're not snowed in?
To deal with the false “spiteful individuals” narrative, 13 people representing the various elements of the coalition met last night for two hours to consider what action to take. This was a plan worked up collectively at the meeting. There was no dissent in the room.
The CARD statement was shared and agreed this morning by a wider group including about half a dozen people who couldn’t be there last night.
This is how CARD works, and has always worked.
So there would be absolutely no chance of a couple of individuals planting a seed, making suggestions and the others running with it?
If you understood the personalities of the people round the table - all of whom have put many hours of their time into CARD over the last couple of years - you’d understand how wrong that is. It’s not just about turning up at occasional protests.
The breadth of the group is the reason it isn’t prone to narrow agendas or reckless initiatives.
What does this mean?
It means that no single perspective can prevail without being challenged by others with a different background, so ideas that won’t work in practice or aren’t supported across the group won’t get adopted because they get unpicked at the discussion stage.
In fact where is pete's / grapevines long post or have I missed it skim reading - he usually pops up on here after a card statement - come forth out saviour this is your martine mcutchen
So we're at war and the vast majority hate the owner of the club. This owner is apparently looking to sell the club. And we're expecting the owner when he sells any players to give Robinson a percentage to buy.
So we're at war and the vast majority hate the owner of the club. This owner is apparently looking to sell the club. And we're expecting the owner when he sells any players to give Robinson a percentage to buy.
We’re expecting the owner not to weaken a promotion chasing team while he has a financial interest in its status next season.
Murray helped to give the club's greatest moments in most supporters living memory.
I for one can forgive him mistakes in judgement from the end of the Curbs era, because they were honest mistakes. Despite there being many and huge, we all make mistakes and I am not ITK so I accept that.
What is clear is that the RD and KM duo has been awful for the club. Murray has been front and centre giving them public support during this time. If course his power was very limited, but surely he had influence?
It's difficult to see from the outside where he has used any influence for the good of the club.
Now Meire has gone and Murray has stepped up to a position of power, I think it is right to highlight this. As Roland looks set to dismantle the club by asset stripping prior to a sale as his past record shows with other clubs, Murray at last can make a difference.
As the main manager on the ground enforcing Roland's potential final dismantling of our club, Murray can either aid this distruction or openly fight it.
I whole heartedly support some pressure being brought to bare to get him to explain things and hopefully get him to understand that his unique position makes him pivotal to the immediate success or otherwise of Charlton.
I hope that Murray can be persuaded to see the light. Just perhaps this action can aid this? It is clearly wrong to think a car park protest will adversely affect the team or the minds of potential buyers.
So we're at war and the vast majority hate the owner of the club. This owner is apparently looking to sell the club. And we're expecting the owner when he sells any players to give Robinson a percentage to buy.
How many players being sold would it take for you to want to do something, if only to demonstrate that you feel it's wrong? It's almost like he wants to sell the club and bring it to its knees at the same time. And that's ok?
Richard Murray cannot speak for the future of the club.
I guarantee that the most you hear will be, nothing, or that a vague promise the negotiations for the proposed takeover are ongoing, but nothing has been finalised.
Demonstrating outside the club, the fans will let off steam and then their frustration will turn to anger.
Roland is a coward , he will be no where near the Valley.
He wants out, and will only sell to the highest bidder. he will make the final decision.
Far better idea would to demonstrate outside Roland house in Belgium.
Ruffle up Roland and his neighbours for the whole weekend, that is far better more effective course of action.
To deal with the false “spiteful individuals” narrative, 13 people representing the various elements of the coalition met last night for two hours to consider what action to take. This was a plan worked up collectively at the meeting. There was no dissent in the room.
The CARD statement was shared and agreed this morning by a wider group including about half a dozen people who couldn’t be there last night.
This is how CARD works, and has always worked.
So there would be absolutely no chance of a couple of individuals planting a seed, making suggestions and the others running with it?
If you understood the personalities of the people round the table - all of whom have put many hours of their time into CARD over the last couple of years - you’d understand how wrong that is. It’s not just about turning up at occasional protests.
The breadth of the group is the reason it isn’t prone to narrow agendas or reckless initiatives.
This insight into how decisions are made by CARD reveals the differences between them and the B20. In the latter case decisions are made only after a vast consumption of the strongest Belgian beers washed down with limoncello. There is usually a fug of naughty Woodbines.
Like CARD there is a wide breadth of people in the group ranging from the imbecilic to the merely moronic. Recruitment has also taken place from the Scottish branch of the Tourette's Syndrome Society.
All the above ensures that all action undertaken by the B20 goes like clockwork: from taking the wrong turn during a funeral protest despite being able to see the destination and then having the "quality " coffin collapse in the wind, to getting into a car driving around for twenty minutes only to be dropped off 50 yards from the starting point.
The B20 is a well oiled machine. And I mean well oiled!
Many seem very sure that any potential buyer is fully aware of the facts about what's been going on under this regime. Why? Of course it's obvious to us as we've lived it day in day out. Few people outside the CAFC fraternity really understand what we've been put through and how damaging RD has been. Even selling off the silver before leaving wouldn't seem that out of order to an outsider. I'm just not sure CARD are guaranteed to get the positive press on this occasion. Lean on Murray by all means but in private not in the car park. As for buyers not being put off, how do we know? We don't even know for sure who they are. If Chinese or middle eastern for example then gatherings of such nature are not something they would be used to and could be misconstrued. They might not want/need the agro when I'm sure other clubs are available to buy without the hassle of a disgruntled fan base. That's really my only worry other than I don't see RM being able to say anything worthwhile so it all seems a bit pointless. That's my opinion and it's just that, an opinion. I'm certainly no apologist and want him gone for good in the hope of a better future. And hope is all we can do as no car park gatherings are going to guarantee that
Richard Murray cannot speak for the future of the club.
I guarantee that the most you hear will be, nothing, or that a vague promise the negotiations for the proposed takeover are ongoing, but nothing has been finalised.
Demonstrating outside the club, the fans will let off steam and then their frustration will turn to anger.
Roland is a coward , he will be no where near the Valley.
He wants out, and will only sell to the highest bidder. he will make the final decision.
Far better idea would to demonstrate outside Roland house in Belgium.
Ruffle up Roland and his neighbours for the whole weekend, that is far better more effective course of action.
A campaign isn't about a single act that will bring about change. That's unrealistic. We're here today, in my view, because the protests have been varied, generally well targeted, and different actions and different groups have complemented each other.
Getting violent isn't the way, of course. Right now though, the club know CARD hasn't gone away and continues to have effective sway on the media and hopefully in numbers in protest.
But Saturday is a rally gathering to hear what the conduit between board and fans has to tell us about the security of our club and its integrity in competition.
Murray should’ve been as much of cards target in the last two yrs as RD and KM but he wasn’t
He tells nothing but lies to different sections of the fan base
And has done for numerous years
When he wanted to sell us to that crook sainsbury was the time to get rid
I take it from this action you feel we are not being sold imminently AB and that we are a long way way from anything happening otherwise you wouldn’t feel compelled to do this on sat
I still think it’s pointless and futile and this protest is more about egos than anything else which is a shame because it’s the first one I have thought that to be the case
You say this pre match rally is about egos? But yet your ego is making sure YOUR opinion is heard all over this. On and on you go. You do my head in.
CARD cant do right from doing wrong it seems. Plenty bitching that CARD have not done anything, Rick and his cronies are just sitting by, bla bla bla. Now there is a call for a pretty innocent pre match protest - which wont disturb the game and wont upset any new purchasers (I'm sure they will be pleased to see a bit of passion) and we are still getting knocked.
Be f*cking glad when this is all over. Rotten times down the Valley.
I think Murray would be best advised to provide an update this week referring to KR mentioning that was his plan to do so. In that statement, he could say that he is going as far as he can but talks are at a sensitive stage and he understands the anxiety of fans, but he hopes for a swift resolution.
Murray should’ve been as much of cards target in the last two yrs as RD and KM but he wasn’t
He tells nothing but lies to different sections of the fan base
And has done for numerous years
When he wanted to sell us to that crook sainsbury was the time to get rid
I take it from this action you feel we are not being sold imminently AB and that we are a long way way from anything happening otherwise you wouldn’t feel compelled to do this on sat
I still think it’s pointless and futile and this protest is more about egos than anything else which is a shame because it’s the first one I have thought that to be the case
You say this pre match rally is about egos? But yet your ego is making sure YOUR opinion is heard all over this. On and on you go. You do my head in.
CARD cant do right from doing wrong it seems. Plenty bitching that CARD have not done anything, Rick and his cronies are just sitting by, bla bla bla. Now there is a call for a pretty innocent pre match protest - which wont disturb the game and wont upset any new purchasers (I'm sure they will be pleased to see a bit of passion) and we are still getting knocked.
Be f*cking glad when this is all over. Rotten times down the Valley.
Not knocked by us. The Baldy gang will be 100% behind the West stand and 100% behind the team in the ground.
I hope egos are not what is driving this. I hope there is one deep rooted aim and that is support for Charlton and to see the failure of RD and KM gone. KM has gone but the poison is still in the club. My take is to expect Murray to come and address the crowd is a rather far fetched expectation. We all appear to be of the view Murray has been too supportive of the current regime and now is his time to assist the club. I feel he may respond but not to a shouting protest. It would be wise for CARD to write him a letter ( their words are usually excellent) symbolically present it to the club at the protest and let him respond to that. I hope the response may be directly to CARD , which they can publish, or through the club. He must know what is needed and that he is expected to manage in a different way. If he does not, forget the protest- all is lost.
To deal with the false “spiteful individuals” narrative, 13 people representing the various elements of the coalition met last night for two hours to consider what action to take. This was a plan worked up collectively at the meeting. There was no dissent in the room.
The CARD statement was shared and agreed this morning by a wider group including about half a dozen people who couldn’t be there last night.
This is how CARD works, and has always worked.
So there would be absolutely no chance of a couple of individuals planting a seed, making suggestions and the others running with it?
If you understood the personalities of the people round the table - all of whom have put many hours of their time into CARD over the last couple of years - you’d understand how wrong that is. It’s not just about turning up at occasional protests.
The breadth of the group is the reason it isn’t prone to narrow agendas or reckless initiatives.
This insight into how decisions are made by CARD reveals the differences between them and the B20. In the latter case decisions are made only after a vast consumption of the strongest Belgian beers washed down with limoncello. There is usually a fug of naughty Woodbines.
Like CARD there is a wide breadth of people in the group ranging from the imbecilic to the merely moronic. Recruitment has also taken place from the Scottish branch of the Tourette's Syndrome Society.
All the above ensures that all action undertaken by the B20 goes like clockwork: from taking the wrong turn during a funeral protest despite being able to see the destination and then having the "quality " coffin collapse in the wind, to getting into a car driving around for twenty minutes only to be dropped off 50 yards from the starting point.
The B20 is a well oiled machine. And I mean well oiled!
Brilliant
I hereby resign from CARD and apply to join B20. Let’s call it B21.
Just read through the whole of this thread and have come to the conclusion that as is nearly always the case, CARD have announced a well thought through protest that puts Murray/the club on the spot. Trouble for me is that it comes about a month too late. The announcement of a protest before the transfer window began would have drawn even more criticism and dissent, and would likely have been less popular on the day. However, knowing the history of Duchatelet with football clubs, going back way before he got his claws into Charlton, this transfer window outcome was inevitable unless some fool coughed up his ridiculous asking price. In my view, these (or similar) questions and requests for guarantees should have been asked of the owner and CEO before Christmas, not of a doddery old twat with no authority a week or so before the window ends! I think many of us perhaps felt a sense of complacency that the sale would go through in good time, the squad would be replenished in January and we would at least be contesting the play-offs. The opportunity was there on the back of the ROT election campaign announcement for further pressure to be exerted, for assurances to be sought from those in a real position of power, not a cardboard cut-out left to face the crowd! I think the protest movement as a whole needs to up the ante, here as well as in Belgium, even if it means making what might be seen initially as unpopular decisions. We cut Roland some slack thinking he would be gone by now and look at what he is currently doing to our club, eviscerating it before our eyes! Let's not be fooled again. We need to continually ramp up the pressure any way we can until Duchatelet has gone.
I've got so flippin' wound up typing this that I won't be able to sleep now and I need to be up for work in 5 hours!!
I've had mixed feelings about this approach and have spent a lot of time trying to figure out why. @foresthillred's post has clarified it perfectly for me. So THIS.
Many seem very sure that any potential buyer is fully aware of the facts about what's been going on under this regime. Why? Of course it's obvious to us as we've lived it day in day out. Few people outside the CAFC fraternity really understand what we've been put through and how damaging RD has been. Even selling off the silver before leaving wouldn't seem that out of order to an outsider. I'm just not sure CARD are guaranteed to get the positive press on this occasion. Lean on Murray by all means but in private not in the car park. As for buyers not being put off, how do we know? We don't even know for sure who they are. If Chinese or middle eastern for example then gatherings of such nature are not something they would be used to and could be misconstrued. They might not want/need the agro when I'm sure other clubs are available to buy without the hassle of a disgruntled fan base. That's really my only worry other than I don't see RM being able to say anything worthwhile so it all seems a bit pointless. That's my opinion and it's just that, an opinion. I'm certainly no apologist and want him gone for good in the hope of a better future. And hope is all we can do as no car park gatherings are going to guarantee that
Many seem very sure that any potential buyer is fully aware of the facts about what's been going on under this regime. Why? Of course it's obvious to us as we've lived it day in day out. Few people outside the CAFC fraternity really understand what we've been put through and how damaging RD has been. Even selling off the silver before leaving wouldn't seem that out of order to an outsider. I'm just not sure CARD are guaranteed to get the positive press on this occasion. Lean on Murray by all means but in private not in the car park. As for buyers not being put off, how do we know? We don't even know for sure who they are. If Chinese or middle eastern for example then gatherings of such nature are not something they would be used to and could be misconstrued. They might not want/need the agro when I'm sure other clubs are available to buy without the hassle of a disgruntled fan base. That's really my only worry other than I don't see RM being able to say anything worthwhile so it all seems a bit pointless. That's my opinion and it's just that, an opinion. I'm certainly no apologist and want him gone for good in the hope of a better future. And hope is all we can do as no car park gatherings are going to guarantee that
Good grief! Of course any potential buyer will be fully aware of what has been going on for the past 4 years, including fan disatisfaction.
You ask why so many are sure of this? In answer, yes, the formal due diligence process requires access to details behind the financial records, understanding debts, commitments etc etc and asking a range of questions directly of existing management, such as details of playing and non-playing staff contracts, bonus plans etc. However, all buyers will perform additional due diligence independent of gathering information directly from the current management. Just Google CAFC and see what information is available in terms of press reports, YouTube clips of supporter demonstrations and the like.
When you buy a car do you simply read the manufacturer's blurb? Of course you don't - you read reviews from car periodicals online, or you might ask people you know who own the same car for their opinion.
When you buy a house, do you simply buy it on the basis of the estate agent's blurb and a viewing of the house? Of course you don't. You get an independent survey done, you look on line to see if there are planning requests in the works in close proximity, you might visit the immediate area at different times of the day to gauge noise levels etc etc.
I could on and on with other examples.
I am sorry, but the idea that someone might be prepared to spend millions buying a business without performing some detailed research is simply absurd.
So we're at war and the vast majority hate the owner of the club. This owner is apparently looking to sell the club. And we're expecting the owner when he sells any players to give Robinson a percentage to buy.
We’re expecting the owner not to weaken a promotion chasing team while he has a financial interest in its status next season.
When you say expect, is that in the form of a prediction or a demand?
I only ask because in the form or a prediction that is, exactly, what I expect him to do. Not just because he is selling the club and will be keen not to reward the fans that have been refraining from putting money into the club by not buying programs, burgers etc. but because that is what he has done previously.
If I were a betting man I would put all my money on him weakening the squad.
I think this offers Murray an opportunity to reposition himself. If I was advising him, I would suggest he makes as comprehensive a statement as he can, but not face to face, but in the next day or so.
To deal with the false “spiteful individuals” narrative, 13 people representing the various elements of the coalition met last night for two hours to consider what action to take. This was a plan worked up collectively at the meeting. There was no dissent in the room.
The CARD statement was shared and agreed this morning by a wider group including about half a dozen people who couldn’t be there last night.
This is how CARD works, and has always worked.
So there would be absolutely no chance of a couple of individuals planting a seed, making suggestions and the others running with it?
If you understood the personalities of the people round the table - all of whom have put many hours of their time into CARD over the last couple of years - you’d understand how wrong that is. It’s not just about turning up at occasional protests.
The breadth of the group is the reason it isn’t prone to narrow agendas or reckless initiatives.
Well I can only take your word for it but this idea seems to have missed the mark. I don't remember so many on here questioning CARD's proposed actions so much and it hasn't even been stickied.
Can you explain what the point of this exercise is and if it's a long term play how does it fit in?
Yet it has attracted 116 likes, which is vastly more than any critical comment made about it.
For the reasons I’ve already set out, I don’t and won’t speak for others involved in CARD. It’s fair comment that people can’t be expected to judge other people who haven’t identified themselves, but I think the idea CARD is a narrow group needs to be knocked down.
It’s very unlikely that any statement would achieve universal support and of course in drawing up any plan you look at its shortcomings and weigh them up. But you might adopt it in spite of these.
My view is that a situation in which RD sells Konsa, possibly others, puts nothing back in and then continues to own the club as the season dribbles away is unacceptable. If that is the position then we may not be able to stop it but we should certainly not accept it. I don’t think Karl Robinson accepts it either.
Richard Murray chose to be Duchatelet’s spokesperson and recently has chosen to take on an active role within the club. He’s not an employee - he can’t be ordered to do so. As such I really don’t see why he shouldn’t be asked again for the statement that Robinson was pretty obviously trying to force him to make with his comments last Saturday.
Do you really think Robinson was under the impression RM planned to make a statement?
I stated that I don't remember so many on here not in full support. Go back to other initiatives and how many negative comments were there from long term posters and going by your metric of success how many likes did it get?
Regardless, you haven't really answered my questions though. You'd do well as a politician.
And just to add CARD haven't asked Murray for a statement, they've demanded guarantees. The two are quite different.
As a matter of interest is there a point at which you would be happy to add your voice to any protest? If Konsa is sold? If Aribo joins him? Bauer? Clarke? Becuase that isn't outside the realms of possibility. Or is it ok to sit back and watch it happen without comment? And as for some people saying that we should acquiesce in case we put off prospective owners. Well if any prospective owners aren't well intentioned, then I hope the fact that Charlton fans don't take it lying down does put them off.
This protest was never going to be as do or die as previous protests held when Duchatelet was refusing to budge over many issues including his ownership, because there's a sense of relief that the club is finally up for sale. But what harm could it do to let the world know that some things are still happening that don't sit well with us.
Would I be pissed off and very angry about it? Yes of course. If Roland is going to sell those players and not reinvest in the team is this protest/gathering whatever you want to call it going to make any bit of difference? Let's face it he has been doing it since he took over and the protests haven't sopped him.
I'm just questioning what this action hopes to achieve and what (if any) the long term goal is of it. I could potentially see some credit in it if it's leading to a bigger play but someone from CARD needs to say so because on the face of it this action on it's own has very little merit.
If a potential owner is put off because of the rally, then good.
Any potential owner who cannot be bothered to do any research into our recent history has already proved to be an unfit owner.
Lets assume for one minute that this will be news to them and they are prompted to do some research. What will they discover?
Firstly, that we have a passionate and imaginative supporters that could be very useful in moving the club forward.
Secondly, there are large numbers of boycotting supporters itching to get back to supporting the club they love, therefore they can look forward to increased revenue.
Thirdly, that large numbers are refusing to buy merchandise or spend money at the club, so again increased revenue.
Finally, we will not tolerate are club being messed about with.
All things that they need and want to know.
I hope you can now see how positive the rally will be for everyone involved and will make the effort to attend.
All the time Duchatelet remains as owner there is nothing that we can do to stop him selling players (assuming that the players in question agree to the move). If, however, I was one of the prospective buyers I would be monitoring the situation during the transfer window. If I had a tentative offer of say £25m on the table and the club sold players for £5m, then surely my revised offer would be £20m and Roland doesn't actually gain anything. Or am I being too simplistic?
What if Murray decides to not turn up on Saturday?
Which is highly likely.
Then he should answer fan's legitimate concerns about the club in a statement or at a press conference beforehand. If he has now adopted or accepted RD's view that there is no need as in effect acting CEO of a football club to communicate with fans then he should resign.
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This owner is apparently looking to sell the club.
And we're expecting the owner when he sells any players to give Robinson a percentage to buy.
I for one can forgive him mistakes in judgement from the end of the Curbs era, because they were honest mistakes. Despite there being many and huge, we all make mistakes and I am not ITK so I accept that.
What is clear is that the RD and KM duo has been awful for the club. Murray has been front and centre giving them public support during this time. If course his power was very limited, but surely he had influence?
It's difficult to see from the outside where he has used any influence for the good of the club.
Now Meire has gone and Murray has stepped up to a position of power, I think it is right to highlight this. As Roland looks set to dismantle the club by asset stripping prior to a sale as his past record shows with other clubs, Murray at last can make a difference.
As the main manager on the ground enforcing Roland's potential final dismantling of our club, Murray can either aid this distruction or openly fight it.
I whole heartedly support some pressure being brought to bare to get him to explain things and hopefully get him to understand that his unique position makes him pivotal to the immediate success or otherwise of Charlton.
I hope that Murray can be persuaded to see the light. Just perhaps this action can aid this? It is clearly wrong to think a car park protest will adversely affect the team or the minds of potential buyers.
I guarantee that the most you hear will be, nothing, or that a vague promise the negotiations for the proposed takeover are ongoing, but nothing has been finalised.
Demonstrating outside the club, the fans will let off steam and then their frustration will turn to anger.
Roland is a coward , he will be no where near the Valley.
He wants out, and will only sell to the highest bidder. he will make the final decision.
Far better idea would to demonstrate outside Roland house in Belgium.
Ruffle up Roland and his neighbours for the whole weekend, that is far better more effective course of action.
Like CARD there is a wide breadth of people in the group ranging from the imbecilic to the merely moronic. Recruitment has also taken place from the Scottish branch of the Tourette's Syndrome Society.
All the above ensures that all action undertaken by the B20 goes like clockwork: from taking the wrong turn during a funeral protest despite being able to see the destination and then having the "quality " coffin collapse in the wind, to getting into a car driving around for twenty minutes only to be dropped off 50 yards from the starting point.
The B20 is a well oiled machine. And I mean well oiled!
As for buyers not being put off, how do we know? We don't even know for sure who they are. If Chinese or middle eastern for example then gatherings of such nature are not something they would be used to and could be misconstrued. They might not want/need the agro when I'm sure other clubs are available to buy without the hassle of a disgruntled fan base.
That's really my only worry other than I don't see RM being able to say anything worthwhile so it all seems a bit pointless.
That's my opinion and it's just that, an opinion. I'm certainly no apologist and want him gone for good in the hope of a better future. And hope is all we can do as no car park gatherings are going to guarantee that
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/sport/charlton/15845839.Protest_group_backs_CARD___s_actions_for_Charlton_takeover_answers/
No mention of Limoncello @Mametz
Getting violent isn't the way, of course. Right now though, the club know CARD hasn't gone away and continues to have effective sway on the media and hopefully in numbers in protest.
But Saturday is a rally gathering to hear what the conduit between board and fans has to tell us about the security of our club and its integrity in competition.
CARD cant do right from doing wrong it seems. Plenty bitching that CARD have not done anything, Rick and his cronies are just sitting by, bla bla bla. Now there is a call for a pretty innocent pre match protest - which wont disturb the game and wont upset any new purchasers (I'm sure they will be pleased to see a bit of passion) and we are still getting knocked.
Be f*cking glad when this is all over. Rotten times down the Valley.
The Baldy gang will be 100% behind the West stand and 100% behind the team in the ground.
My take is to expect Murray to come and address the crowd is a rather far fetched expectation.
We all appear to be of the view Murray has been too supportive of the current regime and now is his time to assist the club.
I feel he may respond but not to a shouting protest.
It would be wise for CARD to write him a letter ( their words are usually excellent) symbolically present it to the club at the protest and let him respond to that. I hope the response may be directly to CARD
, which they can publish, or through the club.
He must know what is needed and that he is expected to manage in a different way. If he does not, forget the protest- all is lost.
I hereby resign from CARD and apply to join B20. Let’s call it B21.
You ask why so many are sure of this? In answer, yes, the formal due diligence process requires access to details behind the financial records, understanding debts, commitments etc etc and asking a range of questions directly of existing management, such as details of playing and non-playing staff contracts, bonus plans etc. However, all buyers will perform additional due diligence independent of gathering information directly from the current management. Just Google CAFC and see what information is available in terms of press reports, YouTube clips of supporter demonstrations and the like.
When you buy a car do you simply read the manufacturer's blurb? Of course you don't - you read reviews from car periodicals online, or you might ask people you know who own the same car for their opinion.
When you buy a house, do you simply buy it on the basis of the estate agent's blurb and a viewing of the house? Of course you don't. You get an independent survey done, you look on line to see if there are planning requests in the works in close proximity, you might visit the immediate area at different times of the day to gauge noise levels etc etc.
I could on and on with other examples.
I am sorry, but the idea that someone might be prepared to spend millions buying a business without performing some detailed research is simply absurd.
I only ask because in the form or a prediction that is, exactly, what I expect him to do. Not just because he is selling the club and will be keen not to reward the fans that have been refraining from putting money into the club by not buying programs, burgers etc. but because that is what he has done previously.
If I were a betting man I would put all my money on him weakening the squad.
I'm just questioning what this action hopes to achieve and what (if any) the long term goal is of it. I could potentially see some credit in it if it's leading to a bigger play but someone from CARD needs to say so because on the face of it this action on it's own has very little merit.
So back down with your condescending post.
Any potential owner who cannot be bothered to do any research into our recent history has already proved to be an unfit owner.
Lets assume for one minute that this will be news to them and they are prompted to do some research. What will they discover?
Firstly, that we have a passionate and imaginative supporters that could be very useful in moving the club forward.
Secondly, there are large numbers of boycotting supporters itching to get back to supporting the club they love, therefore they can look forward to increased revenue.
Thirdly, that large numbers are refusing to buy merchandise or spend money at the club, so again increased revenue.
Finally, we will not tolerate are club being messed about with.
All things that they need and want to know.
I hope you can now see how positive the rally will be for everyone involved and will make the effort to attend.
Thank you.
If, however, I was one of the prospective buyers I would be monitoring the situation during the transfer window. If I had a tentative offer of say £25m on the table and the club sold players for £5m, then surely my revised offer would be £20m and Roland doesn't actually gain anything. Or am I being too simplistic?
And let’s not forget, 6th place in league 1 is quite an achievement - look how far we have come in the last 4 years.
We are seeking answers and clarification.