Post Match Discussion: Charlton v Oldham

timken

sorry to harp on about this but 9 out of shrewsburys 16 wins have either been 1-0 or 2-0 so it seems our defensive frailties are just as culpable as out crap forward line.

Shag

EdgeleyAddick said:

My boys' favourite moment today was the Oldham substitution of Fanny for Duffus. Laughing for ages after that.

haha yes , my boys too , thought it was hilarious

palarsehater

se9addick said:

palarsehater said:

still need a striker
still dont look great
still roland is a wanker
still a worrying low attendance, are some fans lost forever? as the longer the carry on goes on more and more will stay away

The attendance was abysmal, not sure what it was announced as but seemed very low even for the time of year.

Attendance: 9,972 (399 from Oldham) on the OS but i think closer to 5500 meaning 21611 empty seats

Dazzler21

palarsehater said:

se9addick said:

palarsehater said:

still need a striker
still dont look great
still roland is a wanker
still a worrying low attendance, are some fans lost forever? as the longer the carry on goes on more and more will stay away

The attendance was abysmal, not sure what it was announced as but seemed very low even for the time of year.

Attendance: 9,972 (399 from Oldham) on the OS but i think closer to 5500 meaning 21611 empty seats

Target 20k achieved?

kinveachyaddick

timken said:

sorry to harp on about this but 9 out of shrewsburys 16 wins have either been 1-0 or 2-0 so it seems our defensive frailties are just as culpable as out crap forward line.

Indeed - if we can keep a clean sheet we're more than likely to win the game and that's what gets sides promoted. How many 0-0s have we had this season?

golfaddick

You can keep as many clean sheets as you like but if you don't score you wont won. 46 0-0's will probably see you relegated. Scoring goals is more important than not conceeding.

Dazzler21

golfaddick said:

You can keep as many clean sheets as you like but if you don't score you wont won. 46 0-0's will probably see you relegated. Scoring goals is more important than not conceeding.

I kind of agree and disagree.

Don't score - you CANNOT win (bar forfeit games).

Don't concede and you cannot lose. (You only need 1 goal to win a game)

Don't score and don't concede you'll draw.

Score and Concede you might win, you might draw and you might lose.

We're not Barcelona, we don't have the quality to bag 5 goals a game in the league (especially as our league is much more competitive)

From this I'd prefer we could get a clean sheet as a bare minimum for a few games. Win or Draw that'll do wonders for confidence and (bar forfeit games) we simply won't lose.

I think this is has been our intention lately, then when we get stung and concede we struggle to right ourselves.

Simonsen

I've seen us play Oldham at home ten times (starting with the Aizlewood V sign game in 1984) . Practically every game has been shit.....but we haven't lost any of them...6 wins 4 draws.

kinveachyaddick

golfaddick said:

You can keep as many clean sheets as you like but if you don't score you wont won. 46 0-0's will probably see you relegated. Scoring goals is more important than not conceeding.

If you keep a clean sheet you are guaranteed a point and more often than not you get all three.

If you score a goal you're are guaranteed nothing...

kinveachyaddick

Powell's side in 2011/12 scored 10 goals less than Sheff Utd who came third and didn't get promoted and also less than Mk Dons, who only finished 5th, but had the best defensive record in the league.

Defence and clean sheets is what wins sides promotion...

se9addick

Isn't the answer that we need a decent defence and a decent attack - at the moment I'm not sure we have either!

ForeverAddickted

timken said:

sorry to harp on about this but 9 out of shrewsburys 16 wins have either been 1-0 or 2-0 so it seems our defensive frailties are just as culpable as out crap forward line.

kinveachyaddick said:

Powell's side in 2011/12 scored 10 goals less than Sheff Utd who came third and didn't get promoted and also less than Mk Dons, who only finished 5th, but had the best defensive record in the league.

Defence and clean sheets is what wins sides promotion...

Was just about to quote the second comment myself

Remember Gary Madine tweeting saying that we didn't deserve the title (Same opinion as most Sheffield Wednesday fans) because we were boring and won too many games 1-0... Am sorry but if that's what wins you promotion or a trophy then fair enough as you'll long be remembered for winning something rather than how you managed it

golfaddick

ForeverAddickted said:

timken said:

sorry to harp on about this but 9 out of shrewsburys 16 wins have either been 1-0 or 2-0 so it seems our defensive frailties are just as culpable as out crap forward line.

kinveachyaddick said:

Powell's side in 2011/12 scored 10 goals less than Sheff Utd who came third and didn't get promoted and also less than Mk Dons, who only finished 5th, but had the best defensive record in the league.

Defence and clean sheets is what wins sides promotion...

Was just about to quote the second comment myself

Remember Gary Madine tweeting saying that we didn't deserve the title (Same opinion as most Sheffield Wednesday fans) because we were boring and won too many games 1-0... Am sorry but if that's what wins you promotion or a trophy then fair enough as you'll long be remembered for winning something rather than how you managed it

I understand your point & all the others above. A solid defence is a must & a few clean sheets, or more importantly, not conceding the first goal is very much welcome at the moment.

However, if you NEVER score the best you're going to get is a 0-0. In a league season that is 46 points & most likely relegation. Ergo, scoring is more important than conceding.

ForeverAddickted

golfaddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

timken said:

sorry to harp on about this but 9 out of shrewsburys 16 wins have either been 1-0 or 2-0 so it seems our defensive frailties are just as culpable as out crap forward line.

kinveachyaddick said:

Powell's side in 2011/12 scored 10 goals less than Sheff Utd who came third and didn't get promoted and also less than Mk Dons, who only finished 5th, but had the best defensive record in the league.

Defence and clean sheets is what wins sides promotion...

Was just about to quote the second comment myself

Remember Gary Madine tweeting saying that we didn't deserve the title (Same opinion as most Sheffield Wednesday fans) because we were boring and won too many games 1-0... Am sorry but if that's what wins you promotion or a trophy then fair enough as you'll long be remembered for winning something rather than how you managed it

I understand your point & all the others above. A solid defence is a must & a few clean sheets, or more importantly, not conceding the first goal is very much welcome at the moment.

However, if you NEVER score the best you're going to get is a 0-0. In a league season that is 46 points & most likely relegation. Ergo, scoring is more important than conceding.

Trouble is though you always will score and you always will concede... Its simply a case that if you want to be challenging at the right end then you need to be doing the former and lot more and the latter a lot less

Sillybilly

The big issue for me on Saturday, as reflected in the player marks I gave, was not that we defended stoutly and did what we needed to do to win to halt a depressing and confidence sapping series of results against a background of some turmoil. Undoubtedly we did all that. However, Oldham were absolutely weapons grade garbage. We sat in our own half for 45 minutes, almost to the point of ridicule, inviting a useless team onto us when we should have been halting our run and sorting out our confidence by putting six or seven past them (or at least trying to). We were utterly lamentable given the (alleged?) quality of the individuals we were able to field. I’m still angry about it now.

I hope our superstars were acting under instruction. At least then we can blame the coaching staff. If they weren’t, God help us.

YTS1978

Thought the Oldham fans were good and created a decent noise. MOTM goes to the lad who went shirtless all game! Mental, although he did have a scarf to keep him warm. Saw him on the station post match (shirt on at this point) and he was in good spirits, singing about the check-a-trade trophy haha! Fair play, I hope they enjoy the rest of the season. Proper fans.

hoof_it_up_to_benty

palarsehater said:

se9addick said:

palarsehater said:

still need a striker
still dont look great
still roland is a wanker
still a worrying low attendance, are some fans lost forever? as the longer the carry on goes on more and more will stay away

The attendance was abysmal, not sure what it was announced as but seemed very low even for the time of year.

Attendance: 9,972 (399 from Oldham) on the OS but i think closer to 5500 meaning 21611 empty seats

Stockport County got a similar size crowd (over 5000) for their recent fixture against Salford in the National League North - really demonstrates how far our support has declined.

JamesSeed

hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

palarsehater said:

se9addick said:

palarsehater said:

still need a striker
still dont look great
still roland is a wanker
still a worrying low attendance, are some fans lost forever? as the longer the carry on goes on more and more will stay away

The attendance was abysmal, not sure what it was announced as but seemed very low even for the time of year.

Attendance: 9,972 (399 from Oldham) on the OS but i think closer to 5500 meaning 21611 empty seats

Stockport County got a similar size crowd (over 5000) for their recent fixture against Salford in the National League North - really demonstrates how far our support has declined.

Unless theirs also included no shows.

Dazzler21

Arsenal in the "Invincible" season in the league had 15 clean sheets of those 14 were wins.

They only scored one goal in 10 games winning 3 of those.

We were one of the 7 draws at 1-1.

Arsenal conceded, yet won in 15 games.

Their most common scoreline was 2-1. (10 times)

So maybe Golfie has a bit of a point.

But we certainly don't need to score many each week.

If we concede a maximum of 1 or less we have a good chance of still doing well.

golfaddick

Dazzler21 said:

Arsenal in the "Invincible" season in the league had 15 clean sheets of those 14 were wins.

They only scored one goal in 10 games winning 3 of those.

We were one of the 7 draws at 1-1.

Arsenal conceded, yet won in 15 games.

Their most common scoreline was 2-1. (10 times)

So maybe Golfie has a bit of a point.

But we certainly don't need to score many each week.

If we concede a maximum of 1 or less we have a good chance of still doing well.

I not disagree with this. We rarely don't score at home (Wigan & Pompey are the only 2 I can think of) and even when we are playing dreadful (like Saturday) we do invariably score. However, too often this season we have conceded first & I don't think we've come from behind to win a league game this season (although Golfie Jnr thought we had but couldn't remember who against) and one a few occasions we've scored first, not gone one to score again & then been pegged back (Blackpool springs to mind). Just sometimes it would be nice to be 2-0 or 3-0 with 15 mins to go & feeling comfortable.

StigThundercock

Dunno how this has taken so long to register with me...
Official attendance under 10,000 on Kids for a Quid day.
Well below average for even this piss poor season.
There it is in black and white roland you delusional old berk you have comprehensively broken our club, you can virtually not even give away tickets to your toxic pantomime. Just sign it over to someone with an atom of credibility and integrity. No fanfare, none of this "undisclosed fee" bullshit, just walk away and give us a chance to forget you while spend the next decade or so repairing your wanton negligent deluded vandalism.

StigThundercock

se9addick said:

Isn't the answer that we need a decent defence and a decent attack - at the moment I'm not sure we have either!

plus quality across the midfield
oh yeah and a goalie of our own

apart from those coupla vacancies our squad's tickety boo

cafcnick1992

We have Pearce and Bauer who are more than good enough in this league.

Exiled_Addick

Bauer and Konsa was fine as a pair too. I suspect Bauer and Sarr would be as well, but once we lost Bauer and Pearce we have looked shaky. Infact, we've only kept 2 clean sheets with Pearce, (both alongside Bauer) but have kept 4 clean sheets with Bauer but no Pearce.

wmcf123

Exiled_Addick said:

Bauer and Konsa was fine as a pair too. I suspect Bauer and Sarr would be as well, but once we lost Bauer and Pearce we have looked shaky. Infact, we've only kept 2 clean sheets with Pearce, (both alongside Bauer) but have kept 4 clean sheets with Bauer but no Pearce.

Bauer is underrated because he is fuss free. You always notice Sarr and to a lesser extent Konsa because they go from the sublime to the crass

Exiled_Addick

wmcf123 said:

Exiled_Addick said:

Bauer and Konsa was fine as a pair too. I suspect Bauer and Sarr would be as well, but once we lost Bauer and Pearce we have looked shaky. Infact, we've only kept 2 clean sheets with Pearce, (both alongside Bauer) but have kept 4 clean sheets with Bauer but no Pearce.

Bauer is underrated because he is fuss free. You always notice Sarr and to a lesser extent Konsa because they go from the sublime to the crass

Bauer and Konsa is probably our best pair, imo. Gives us a balance of aerial power/strength/positional sense/game reading from Bauer and recovery pace and ball playing ability from Konsa, not that Bauer is exactly Phil Chapple with the ball at his feet.

CAFCsayer

I'd like to see Pearce and Sarr... And old head, no nonsense defender who organises is exactly what Sarr needs alongside him

9goalswentpastperry

golfaddick said:

Dazzler21 said:

Arsenal in the "Invincible" season in the league had 15 clean sheets of those 14 were wins.

They only scored one goal in 10 games winning 3 of those.

We were one of the 7 draws at 1-1.

Arsenal conceded, yet won in 15 games.

Their most common scoreline was 2-1. (10 times)

So maybe Golfie has a bit of a point.

But we certainly don't need to score many each week.

If we concede a maximum of 1 or less we have a good chance of still doing well.

I not disagree with this. We rarely don't score at home (Wigan & Pompey are the only 2 I can think of) and even when we are playing dreadful (like Saturday) we do invariably score. However, too often this season we have conceded first & I don't think we've come from behind to win a league game this season (although Golfie Jnr thought we had but couldn't remember who against) and one a few occasions we've scored first, not gone one to score again & then been pegged back (Blackpool springs to mind). Just sometimes it would be nice to be 2-0 or 3-0 with 15 mins to go & feeling comfortable.

We beat Rochdale 2 1 having trailed early on a cold November Tuesday.

golfaddick

9goalswentpastperry said:

golfaddick said:

Dazzler21 said:

Arsenal in the "Invincible" season in the league had 15 clean sheets of those 14 were wins.

They only scored one goal in 10 games winning 3 of those.

We were one of the 7 draws at 1-1.

Arsenal conceded, yet won in 15 games.

Their most common scoreline was 2-1. (10 times)

So maybe Golfie has a bit of a point.

But we certainly don't need to score many each week.

If we concede a maximum of 1 or less we have a good chance of still doing well.

I not disagree with this. We rarely don't score at home (Wigan & Pompey are the only 2 I can think of) and even when we are playing dreadful (like Saturday) we do invariably score. However, too often this season we have conceded first & I don't think we've come from behind to win a league game this season (although Golfie Jnr thought we had but couldn't remember who against) and one a few occasions we've scored first, not gone one to score again & then been pegged back (Blackpool springs to mind). Just sometimes it would be nice to be 2-0 or 3-0 with 15 mins to go & feeling comfortable.

We beat Rochdale 2 1 having trailed early on a cold November Tuesday.

That's the one. He did say that we'd won from a losing position once but I couldn't remember who - probably because I still haven't thawed out from that particular game.

MuttleyCAFC

Sarr needs a decent centre back next to him. He looks much better when he isn't the senior partner. I would be interested to see how he plays with Pearce.