Pope is definitely a valid example. Made quite a few blunders for us and rarely looked comfortable.
Just not so. Made two big blunders at the start of his time then improved greatly, so much so that Burnley bought him but many refused to see past the early blunders by a young keeper and so missed what a solid keeper he had become.
He never looked comfortable with the ball at his feet, which would be quite regularly considering we were often on the back foot that season.
No doubt in the fact that he is doing well now, but cannot agree that he ever looked truly 'solid' in his time with us. That's not to say I'm not happy for him now.
But he's not a creative midfielder. His catching, shot stopping, command of his area were all very good. In a poor side he was given too many poor back passes. Solid keeper for us.
All I remember was that whenever I saw him between the sticks for us, he made a high number of blunders. He previously went out on loan to orient I believe and kept a high number of clean sheets and was apparently doing really well. Wasn't very confident at charlton and now he is a relatively high profile name in the premier league due to burnley having a great season so far.
Charlton is currently toxic and was even more toxic a year or so ago.
He has kept the 4th highest amount of clean sheets in the premier league this season. Little stat for you. So the contrast between his success playing for charlton and his current success playing for burnley is rather large.
When at the valley I also remember everyone around me moaning about him ...but i was usually drunk and not paying attention to anything anyway. From late 2013 onwards, that has often been the case.
John Barnes is not so valid for the category but he was in my head due to a random Christmas chat about him.
Just not so.
As you say you were drunk
Alright Mr sober, you know your stuff then.
Do you think nick pope was as good a goalkeeper when he played for charlton compared to now?
When watching nick pope play for charlton, did you ever once think something along the lines of;
"judging him on his current charlton performances, he has real potential and will be a premier league regular starter one day...actually, i think in just a few years"
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That wasn't the question though.
I did think, and said so on here at the time, that after a few early mistakes he matured into a solid first choice keeper.
Steve White Izale McLeod Marcus Bent Francis Jeffers Mark Hudson
There's a couple in that list I liked.....
Steve White scored 12 in 29 league games. I thought he was a good finisher in a pretty poor team.
Mark Hudson had to spend most of his time playing next to Linvoy Primus or Jon Fortune...both of whom looked chronically injured when they played. Think we went through quite a few right backs that season too. Wish we had someone as strong as him in the air now.
Considering there appears to be quite a questionable condensed list of uncertainties within this particular category of players that once wore the shirt or who still do.
Is "Charltonised" actually more of a general myth that us natural pessimistic addicks decided to make up. (we certainly have more then enough reasons to be pessimistic at the moment regardless)
I just thought that there would be so many obvious names here. Its a struggle to think of any more.
Pope is definitely a valid example. Made quite a few blunders for us and rarely looked comfortable.
Just not so. Made two big blunders at the start of his time then improved greatly, so much so that Burnley bought him but many refused to see past the early blunders by a young keeper and so missed what a solid keeper he had become.
I could see he had the makings of a decent 'keeper but he made more than two big blunders.
My shout is for Andy Jones. Bought him from Port Vale where he was knocking them in for fun & then hardly scored when he played for us. I actually liked him & thought we should have persisted with him...........until he skied one over the bar at Luton.
special mention goes to Franny Jeffers - but then he never did it anywhere & a pre-courser for Tony Watt.
Darren Ambrose - good for Ipswich, mediocre for Newcastle and us, then signed for Palace and suddenly became a world beater. Think he banged in a 30 yard winner in the league cup at Old Trafford. Also did well at Birmingham if I recall correctly.
My shout is for Andy Jones. Bought him from Port Vale where he was knocking them in for fun & then hardly scored when he played for us. I actually liked him & thought we should have persisted with him...........until he skied one over the bar at Luton.
special mention goes to Franny Jeffers - but then he never did it anywhere & a pre-courser for Tony Watt.
A bit harsh about Small and yes he was crap for us away at Millwall.
Don't forget that he scored 21 times for Brighton in 90/91 earning a £400k move to West Ham. He even got 13 goals for them in the top flight the following season.
Mostly good successful highly rated players....apart from when they played for charlton.
Few names in the hat open for debate.
Nick pope
Simon Francis
Harry Arter
John Barnes
Pope was rated by those that could see
Francis, yes
After never played
Barnes was a swan song at the end of a great career.
Not really valid examples.
Henry, are you a robot? A really miserable robot?
The miserable ones are those slagging off players even after they have proved their critics wrong.
The question from the original post was to discuss players who have achieved well outside of playing for Charlton. Pope is a candidate multiple people have mentioned and have provided fair reasoning beyond the counter argument of 'people who can not see'.
Pawel Abbott Jesper Blomqvist Barry Endean Harry Cripps
Rather harsh on Cripps. He was key in our 74/75 promotion squad. I remember seeing him have the enthusiasm of a youth player although he was well into his 30's.
If we must have an ex Millwall player from that era what about Terry Brisley or Eamon Dunphy?
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Both were over rated rather than highly rated
Im sure if Defoe got enough mins, he would have been poor for us so would have made the list!
I did think, and said so on here at the time, that after a few early mistakes he matured into a solid first choice keeper.
He was getting on when he joined us though.
Steve White scored 12 in 29 league games. I thought he was a good finisher in a pretty poor team.
Mark Hudson had to spend most of his time playing next to Linvoy Primus or Jon Fortune...both of whom looked chronically injured when they played. Think we went through quite a few right backs that season too. Wish we had someone as strong as him in the air now.
Is "Charltonised" actually more of a general myth that us natural pessimistic addicks decided to make up. (we certainly have more then enough reasons to be pessimistic at the moment regardless)
I just thought that there would be so many obvious names here. Its a struggle to think of any more.
(Nick) Pope (simon) Francis
pope francis
Jesper Blomqvist
Barry Endean
Harry Cripps
There was always a really good keeper in pope but charlton did not get the best out of him.
You have misinterpreted the point of this though.
No one is digging out Nick Pope. He has gone on to achieve greater things and his sole focus is what he is doing now.
Charlton may now be a distant memory for him, whether he was good or bad.
no - he was crap for every team he played for.
My shout is for Andy Jones. Bought him from Port Vale where he was knocking them in for fun & then hardly scored when he played for us. I actually liked him & thought we should have persisted with him...........until he skied one over the bar at Luton.
special mention goes to Franny Jeffers - but then he never did it anywhere & a pre-courser for Tony Watt.
Don't forget that he scored 21 times for Brighton in 90/91 earning a £400k move to West Ham. He even got 13 goals for them in the top flight the following season.
If we must have an ex Millwall player from that era what about Terry Brisley or Eamon Dunphy?