Steve Waggott appointed chief executive of Blackburn
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I think if anyone else has posted about Steve’s new role and the same comment about Meire, which was likely to happen, people wouldn’t have jumped on them quite so much demanding to know why it is so. People then ask questions as they are interested, some people love hearing the stories, same as they do with miere, and Rick explains his rationale and gets accused of being a bitter ex employee and henry Irving on twitter screenshots this page so he can tweet anyone he knows to ask for their opinion. Including me. It’s like Groundhog Day.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
That's fair enough and fromy what I recollect from postings on here you have great insight in that respect.suzisausage said:I think some people had him worked out relatively early, some worked him out a bit later on and some still haven’t had the pleasure. I’m surprised word hasn’t got around being football is a small world but also not surprised he’s got another job. Airman’s right about his and dowies interview technique. And it is true about his PA’s name.
My point still stands that I am sure if everyone including the OP had former colleagues and staff publicly review and critique performance v salary and working relationships then most would find it uncomfortable as many would not be favourable.
Hence a public forum probably not the right place to do so.
I think when you have a high profile role then you have to accept criticism when you make bad decisions and praise when you make good ones and your salary can be scrutinised if those with vested interest in the company don’t believe you are/we’re worth your value. It happens all the time where I work now and people aren’t half as passionate about it than football.9 -
I met him on a few occasions and rather liked him I have to say.
Admittedly, I have little or no idea how good he was or wasn’t at his job and others far better qualified to comment on that have already done so.
Remember him being at the helm when a lot of heart breaking redundancies took place, which can’t have been a pleasant task for him.....let alone for those who had been part of the club furniture for years and have to this day been sorely missed.
Being an integral part of that process didn’t exactly help him with his brownie points total.0 -
No issue with you challenging me and making me defend it, although ironically the effect has been to trigger a discussion I didn't set out to have. Yes, I can be a bit judgemental about individuals. However, there are many more ex-colleagues I do respect - and some of them have been involved in a discussion about Waggott's latest appointment last night. In fact, it was one of them who brought it to my attention, because he shares my view.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
I don't doubt that. In fact over the years I have noticed you have been very forthright in publicly deriding very many former colleagues and bosses on here rightly or wrongly . I am sure if everyone who has ever worked alongside you were polled not all reviews would be wholly favourable and that probably goes the same for all of us in our jobs.Airman Brown said:
I’ve known the bloke for 30 years and have no personal reason to dislike him. It was the club that suffered not me. But I’d have started a thread if Kavanagh, Varney or Prothero had been appointed chief executive at Blackburn, because it’s of interest. There are much more peripheral threads on here than this one.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
And there's football players who took far more and did far less.Airman Brown said:
Not looking for any, thanks. This bloke took about £700k out of the club in salary costs for two years’ employment at a time when it was very close to being insolvent, while doing very little, as the board eventually worked out. It’s no skin off my nose if he gets to do the similar at other clubs off the back of it, but I do think it’s remarkable.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:These sort of threads do you no favours.
Don't think the bloke has ever said anything bad about our club. Starting a thread to publicly deride a former colleague who left the club nearly 8 years ago because of a personal dislike is a bit petty.
I am sure it would be uncomfortable reading if you or any of us had our salaries versus input and delivery critiqued on a public forum.
You are held in high esteem by many on here with almost messianic fervour which is probably why it goes unchecked but it's a bit snidey in my opinion (which no doubt is a lone opinion and will get derided).
It undermines the good stuff you have done/ still do in the clubs interests to a degree too.
It's not like you're a normal poster as it's plain people hang on your every word and take it as gospel which makes posts that may be derogatory against others more impactful than if a Joe bloggs put them up. With great power comes great responsibility young grasshopper.
Not set out to have a go but if it's fair to start a thread with quip about Meire having a hope in a slant against Waggot who left the building 7.5 years ago without a bad word since then it's fair that it will be pulled up.
What Waggott was paid is in the accounts - as required by law, although it appears the current regime believes it is exempt from following it. I am not sure that chief executive of a football club is similar to jobs held by "many of us", so I think it is a reasonable topic for public discussion. The public scrutiny is reflected in the rewards. I don't honestly see the relevance of what Waggott has or hadn't had to say publicly since he left. Why would he want that discussion?
As for accountability, there was in fact a bit of a tug of war between directors on this issue, with those who appointed him protecting him for a long while, in my view, because they had appointed him. For clarity, Richard Murray wasn't responsible.5 -
Fair enough Airman.0
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Not doing much.Having no real interest in the role.Getting the big shilling.No social interaction skills.Self promotion.--------seems to be the Job Description for CAFC SMT ------ opps missed "ex burger flipper" off the list1
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Until you got to the last point I was thinking of putting in a speculative application.Goonerhater said:Not doing much.Having no real interest in the role.Getting the big shilling.No social interaction skills.Self promotion.--------seems to be the Job Description for CAFC SMT ------ opps missed "ex burger flipper off the list"
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How's the lack of Meire salary declaration in account investigation going? I thought this was being raised with the authorities?ShootersHillGuru said:@Airman Brown
Since we’ve got you’re attention. Have you anything to post on a certain other thread ;0)0 -
Watch this space.Kap10 said:
How's the lack of Meire salary declaration in account investigation going?ShootersHillGuru said:@Airman Brown
Since we’ve got you’re attention. Have you anything to post on a certain other thread ;0)12 -
Law or not, I don't think it's right for senior executive salaries to be disclosed or people's obsession with knowing the details.Airman Brown said:
Watch this space.Kap10 said:
How's the lack of Meire salary declaration in account investigation going?ShootersHillGuru said:@Airman Brown
Since we’ve got you’re attention. Have you anything to post on a certain other thread ;0)6 -
When he was appointed to be our CEO and it said WAGGOTT APPOINTED CEO, I thought for a minute it said WAGSTAFF APPOINTED CEO. From Youth team to boardroom in one season. That is round the time Waggy was breaking into the first team. He would probably have done a better job. At about 17 or 18 years old he would certainly have done a better job than Meire. I mean Meire makes even Waggott seem like Jack Walker.4
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Whatever KM gets paid there are so many reported instances about the random when she turns up to work. Is it about flexitime when she works late, or she is so intense and brilliant one hour from her is the equivalent of four hours from anybody else.
Either way she is too overworked to reply to fans emails, as was Waggott when I emailed him.0 -
I expect the vice chancellor of Bath University would agree with you. But the law is there precisely so such salaries can be scrutinised publicly, because parliament has decided it's in the public interest.jamescafc said:
Law or not, I don't think it's right for senior executive salaries to be disclosed or people's obsession with knowing the details.Airman Brown said:
Watch this space.Kap10 said:
How's the lack of Meire salary declaration in account investigation going?ShootersHillGuru said:@Airman Brown
Since we’ve got you’re attention. Have you anything to post on a certain other thread ;0)2 -
jamescafc said:
Law or not, I don't think it's right for senior executive salaries to be disclosed or people's obsession with knowing the details.Airman Brown said:
Watch this space.Kap10 said:
How's the lack of Meire salary declaration in account investigation going?ShootersHillGuru said:@Airman Brown
Since we’ve got you’re attention. Have you anything to post on a certain other thread ;0)
I’d be interested to know why you think that.
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He's vice-chancellor of Bath University.ShootersHillGuru said:jamescafc said:
Law or not, I don't think it's right for senior executive salaries to be disclosed or people's obsession with knowing the details.Airman Brown said:
Watch this space.Kap10 said:
How's the lack of Meire salary declaration in account investigation going?ShootersHillGuru said:@Airman Brown
Since we’ve got you’re attention. Have you anything to post on a certain other thread ;0)
I’d be interested to know why you think that.27 -
Waggott always struck me as very ineffectual - I only met him once and he came across as a typical middle manager who seemed to have lucked out. For all I know he could have been brilliant at his job but I've never heard anyone suggest that he was and I'm unclear why he was paid so much? If the best defence anyone can manage is that he was relatively inoffensive and hasn't badmouthed the club since leaving it really doesn't say much.
When Varney was CEO I assume the job was much bigger? In terms of communication I emailed Varney on numerous occasions and always received a reply which addressed my issues and was sent in a timely manner. This was a great advert for the club!2 -
It wasn't until RD bought us that someone else was employed to prepare the sandwiches! ....................."Morning Tone"Airman Brown said:I'm sure that's true about your experience, Tel. But if you could speak confidentially to any of a dozen senior people about him, including some people senior to or on a par with him, I think you'd get a rather different picture. I'm not aware of anyone disliking Steve Waggott - he was pretty irrelevant most of the time, to be honest - but an awful lot of people sussed him out and a fair number lost their jobs in 2009 so that he could keep his. It's no accident that when he left, he wasn't replaced. There was no need.
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He's a cap doffer.Uboat said:
He's vice-chancellor of Bath University.ShootersHillGuru said:jamescafc said:
Law or not, I don't think it's right for senior executive salaries to be disclosed or people's obsession with knowing the details.Airman Brown said:
Watch this space.Kap10 said:
How's the lack of Meire salary declaration in account investigation going?ShootersHillGuru said:@Airman Brown
Since we’ve got you’re attention. Have you anything to post on a certain other thread ;0)
I’d be interested to know why you think that.0 -
Would Danny Green make a better CEO? Discuss.AddickFC81 said:When he was appointed to be our CEO and it said WAGGOTT APPOINTED CEO, I thought for a minute it said WAGSTAFF APPOINTED CEO. From Youth team to boardroom in one season. That is round the time Waggy was breaking into the first team. He would probably have done a better job. At about 17 or 18 years old he would certainly have done a better job than Meire. I mean Meire makes even Waggott seem like Jack Walker.
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If he was CEO of a leading white goods retailer, then yes.0
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He certainly has a better house.ValleyGary said:
Would Danny Green make a better CEO? Discuss.AddickFC81 said:When he was appointed to be our CEO and it said WAGGOTT APPOINTED CEO, I thought for a minute it said WAGSTAFF APPOINTED CEO. From Youth team to boardroom in one season. That is round the time Waggy was breaking into the first team. He would probably have done a better job. At about 17 or 18 years old he would certainly have done a better job than Meire. I mean Meire makes even Waggott seem like Jack Walker.
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If Waggott was paid £350k a year back in 2008-09 I dread to think what Meire might be getting, especially if it's performance-related in any way. The answer could possibly make me physically sick.Airman Brown said:
Watch this space.Kap10 said:
How's the lack of Meire salary declaration in account investigation going?ShootersHillGuru said:@Airman Brown
Since we’ve got you’re attention. Have you anything to post on a certain other thread ;0)2 -
The difference is that Steve Waggott has earned enough respect in the football world to get offered good jobs like the one he's just taken. He's earned it on merit, whereas KM will never get another one, and only got her present one as a favour.0
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I think it’s absolute right that the salary package of the CEO of a football club is transparent and known publicly.jamescafc said:
Law or not, I don't think it's right for senior executive salaries to be disclosed or people's obsession with knowing the details.Airman Brown said:
Watch this space.Kap10 said:
How's the lack of Meire salary declaration in account investigation going?ShootersHillGuru said:@Airman Brown
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Steve Waggott’s fashion range might struggle a little thoughValleyGary said:
Would Danny Green make a better CEO? Discuss.AddickFC81 said:When he was appointed to be our CEO and it said WAGGOTT APPOINTED CEO, I thought for a minute it said WAGSTAFF APPOINTED CEO. From Youth team to boardroom in one season. That is round the time Waggy was breaking into the first team. He would probably have done a better job. At about 17 or 18 years old he would certainly have done a better job than Meire. I mean Meire makes even Waggott seem like Jack Walker.
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For clarification @suzisausage is referring to Nick Gray on twitter not me (I'm @benhayes77 if you are interested)0
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Relax. If it's performance related Daisy will be paying the club £350k a year.Cardinal Sin said:
If Waggott was paid £350k a year back in 2008-09 I dread to think what Meire might be getting, especially if it's performance-related in any way. The answer could possibly make me physically sick.Airman Brown said:
Watch this space.Kap10 said:
How's the lack of Meire salary declaration in account investigation going?ShootersHillGuru said:@Airman Brown
Since we’ve got you’re attention. Have you anything to post on a certain other thread ;0)4 -
no not tall enough ..ValleyGary said:
Would Danny Green make a better CEO? Discuss.AddickFC81 said:When he was appointed to be our CEO and it said WAGGOTT APPOINTED CEO, I thought for a minute it said WAGSTAFF APPOINTED CEO. From Youth team to boardroom in one season. That is round the time Waggy was breaking into the first team. He would probably have done a better job. At about 17 or 18 years old he would certainly have done a better job than Meire. I mean Meire makes even Waggott seem like Jack Walker.
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Never met SW personally , did meet the other Waggy , who was a great guy , but 700k is a bit shocking for complete non performance during that period, and shows there is too much dosh sloshing around in football being paid out to incompetance/ meh ness.
But then if you added all the wages up of all the dross / average players we've seen down the years whilst supporting Charlton we could probably pay off half of the national debt and have change left!
Goodness knows what KM is earning , i don't really care , we all know she wouldnt get a job at another football club in this country, because she's not up to the task,1 -
Not a very nice debate. Seems like one ex employee digging out another one. I don't know the in and outs of this case but this all seems a very unnecessary dig at someone who can't reply. And the comparison at the start with KM isn't really appropriate.1
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Whilst it would annoy the vast majority on here IF we ever found out what squirrel face gets paid, it would be worth it as I reckon she would be fuming if it became public knowledge.ken_shabby said:Not a very nice debate. Seems like one ex employee digging out another one. I don't know the in and outs of this case but this all seems a very unnecessary dig at someone who can't reply. And the comparison at the start with KM isn't really appropriate.
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