Williams was lambasted in the changing room after ducking a tackle (probably goes on in all changing rooms) and Wiredu was packed off to Colchester after kissing his teeth when Bowyer said something to him (both incidents are hardly News of the world and the sort of thing that probably happens at most clubs every week
Regardless of what happened behind closed doors, we openly saw the way Bowyer would talk about individual players on multiple occasions when results were not going our way and he wanted to take little responsibility himself….
Yet Aneke has followed him to Brum.
I don't recall Bowyer ever saying anything publicly that crossed the line and made him right on a lot of things he did say.
Adkins is the polar opposite and his "great bunch of honest lads" approach doesn't seem to have the players running through walls for him.
If there was behind the scenes episodes that constituted bullying then of course that's a different matter and no doubt many of the methods from the era Bowyer grew up in are outdated and not accepted in 2021.
However in the absence of confirmation of that and going only on what is evident to date Solly lost legend status in many eyes when he refused to honour his contract and refused to make himself available for selection.
Whether he did that rightly for his own personal reasons/ best interests may be the case and not gonna judge players too much for looking out for number one. And whilst he has enough in the bank in prolonged contribution to Charlton meaning he (probably unfairly) escapes the same criticism levelled at Taylor he still let Bowyer, his teammates and our club and us fans down badly by doing so and can't be heralded as a legend by many for doing so.
I think Solly would say that when Bowyer came out publicly and said he, Taylor and Davis had decided they would not play that wasn't a fair statement of his position.
Just re read this after my above post....thought it initially said "was a fair statement of his position". However if there is more to it rather than just refusal to play because risking injury a'la Taylor then fair enough and unfair to come to my initial view if there is more to it.
I think Solly would say that when Bowyer came out publicly and said he, Taylor and Davis had decided they would not play that wasn't a fair statement of his position.
yes, but what was his position and why doesn't he come out and say it ? i reckon Bowyer had a heart to heart chat with all the players in a behind closed doors type of atmosphere and then thrown these 3 under the bus publicly - i could be wrong
Interesting viewpoint that you only want one side of the story !
If someone tells me your an arse hole do I believe it or do I make my own mind up when I hear you speak or tell your story.
Swear at me too mate, because you will get some LOL.
Its also worth pointing out that Dave has had the misfortune of knowing me since our school days
So any swearing / insults between us should be taken with a pinch of salt
FA, I meant Dave saying Fuck him regarding Chris Solly.
What guys on here say to each other in jest or for real doesn't bother me either way.
Chris Solly career was plagued by knee issues as we all know. 7 years ago in Spain Chris could only do stationary bike exercises when everyone else was trying to put down a marker in the pre season friendlies in the Mijas hills. Big Bob Peeters was the new boss. I'd like to know both sides of the story. Chris didn't have a 400% pay rise in the pipeline when he disappeared !
Interesting viewpoint that you only want one side of the story !
If someone tells me your an arse hole do I believe it or do I make my own mind up when I hear you speak or tell your story.
Swear at me too mate, because you will get some LOL.
Its also worth pointing out that Dave has had the misfortune of knowing me since our school days
So any swearing / insults between us should be taken with a pinch of salt
FA, I meant Dave saying Fuck him regarding Chris Solly.
What guys on here say to each other in jest or for real doesn't bother me either way.
Chris Solly career was plagued by knee issues as we all know. 7 years ago in Spain Chris could only do stationary bike exercises when everyone else was trying to put down a marker in the pre season friendlies in the Mijas hills. Big Bob Peeters was the new boss. I'd like to know both sides of the story. Chris didn't have a 400% pay rise in the pipeline when he disappeared !
I think Solly would say that when Bowyer came out publicly and said he, Taylor and Davis had decided they would not play that wasn't a fair statement of his position.
He could have come out and put the record straight no?
If he cared about fan opinion of him he'd have been in the papers the next day.
2 POTYs, 1 young POTY, 1 league one title, 1 league one play off trophy, over 300 appearances most of which with a dodgy knee and shit owners, academy product.
All the above is not forgotten because he left when he was a second choice right back.
He chose not to make himself available when we had the chance to save ourselves from relegation.
Second choice or not, he refused to play for us.
Taylor is vilified, and rightly so, but at least he had the guts to come and front it out by saying why he made his decision.
Taylor’s decision clearly cost us relegation.
Solly’s didn’t.
Taylor was looking to get away from us because he wanted more money.
Solly, was looking at getting a contract for himself before he was released anyway.
Its not a positive thing from Solly, but it absolutely no way eradicates all he’s done for our club.
They made the same decision.
Just because Taylor is a better player than Solly (at the time), it doesn't mean Taylor's decision was worse than Solly's one.
It does mean exactly that.
Taylor was our talisman, Solly our reserve right back. Solly NOT leaving wouldn’t of changed a thing, so I for one don’t care (as much).
What they did is exactly the same (If Solly did refuse to play), just because you don't care about one as much as the other doesn't mean it isn't.
Part of being second choice in any position is being ready if and when you're called upon to help your team mates, Solly wasn't prepared to do that. (Again, If Solly did refuse to play)
I think Solly would say that when Bowyer came out publicly and said he, Taylor and Davis had decided they would not play that wasn't a fair statement of his position.
He could have come out and put the record straight no?
If he cared about fan opinion of him he'd have been in the papers the next day.
Maybe, just maybe, that’s not Chris Solly’s personality.
Some people don’t want to be involved in gossip and scandal. Doesn’t automatically mean they’ve done something wrong and that they don’t have a valid reasoning for something that’s happened.
Not every player / person thinks and acts the same.
You can’t tell me that Chris Solly didn’t care about the club or fanbase having spent about two decades of his life around it.
Has anyone been in a working situation where you feel you can't carry on? I'm not saying it is right to refuse to work when you are under a contract but people in the West go on strike to fight for their rights. I know Solly's case was different to going on strike and I was disappointed when it happened but still, I tend to believe there was something behind it. He had been a great servant for our club for a long time prior to that and also seemed to be a decent person.
Sometimes things aren't so simple as they appear to be. Also the more you speak the worse you could look. Not everything is easy to explain.
I think Solly would say that when Bowyer came out publicly and said he, Taylor and Davis had decided they would not play that wasn't a fair statement of his position.
He could have come out and put the record straight no?
If he cared about fan opinion of him he'd have been in the papers the next day.
Maybe, just maybe, that’s not Chris Solly’s personality.
Some people don’t want to be involved in gossip and scandal. Doesn’t automatically mean they’ve done something wrong and that they don’t have a valid reasoning for something that’s happened.
Not every player / person thinks and acts the same.
You can’t tell me that Chris Solly didn’t care about the club or fanbase having spent about two decades of his life around it.
I feel like any person that feels like they've been unfairly slandered would want to correct the record no?
If he's chosen to go to the PFA, take a bit of money and sign an NDA it shows where his focus was placed.
I think Solly would say that when Bowyer came out publicly and said he, Taylor and Davis had decided they would not play that wasn't a fair statement of his position.
He could have come out and put the record straight no?
If he cared about fan opinion of him he'd have been in the papers the next day.
Maybe, just maybe, that’s not Chris Solly’s personality.
Some people don’t want to be involved in gossip and scandal. Doesn’t automatically mean they’ve done something wrong and that they don’t have a valid reasoning for something that’s happened.
Not every player / person thinks and acts the same.
You can’t tell me that Chris Solly didn’t care about the club or fanbase having spent about two decades of his life around it.
In which case all the whispers and unreleased interviews are made up bollox? so either some people on here are lying OR he has got involved gossip and scandal
if Chris could have passed a medical elsewhere he would have been on his toes years ago
I think Solly would say that when Bowyer came out publicly and said he, Taylor and Davis had decided they would not play that wasn't a fair statement of his position.
He could have come out and put the record straight no?
If he cared about fan opinion of him he'd have been in the papers the next day.
Maybe, just maybe, that’s not Chris Solly’s personality.
Some people don’t want to be involved in gossip and scandal. Doesn’t automatically mean they’ve done something wrong and that they don’t have a valid reasoning for something that’s happened.
Not every player / person thinks and acts the same.
You can’t tell me that Chris Solly didn’t care about the club or fanbase having spent about two decades of his life around it.
I feel like any person that feels like they've been unfairly slandered would want to correct the record no?
If he's chosen to go to the PFA, take a bit of money and sign an NDA it shows where his focus was placed.
I've got a direct boss that is so effing good at acting and lying and twisting things in front of her bosses that I was struggling to decide whether I should go to the people higher up when I had been treated unfairly for a year. Like I said in my earlier post, this sort of things are not easy. That's why I can more or less relate to the players potentially bullied by the manager.
By the way I'm not saying Bowyer is like my direct boss😂 I really liked him when he was our manager until the end. I still hope he can do well at Birmingham. I give my example just to show that "to correct the record" publicly is not necessary always the best or the easiest choice. How to do it requires serious consideration. Maybe Solly thinks it would just be too much trouble and not worth it.
I think Solly would say that when Bowyer came out publicly and said he, Taylor and Davis had decided they would not play that wasn't a fair statement of his position.
He could have come out and put the record straight no?
If he cared about fan opinion of him he'd have been in the papers the next day.
Maybe, just maybe, that’s not Chris Solly’s personality.
Some people don’t want to be involved in gossip and scandal. Doesn’t automatically mean they’ve done something wrong and that they don’t have a valid reasoning for something that’s happened.
Not every player / person thinks and acts the same.
You can’t tell me that Chris Solly didn’t care about the club or fanbase having spent about two decades of his life around it.
I feel like any person that feels like they've been unfairly slandered would want to correct the record no?
If he's chosen to go to the PFA, take a bit of money and sign an NDA it shows where his focus was placed.
It was well known to the media at the time that Solly was unhappy with Bowyer's announcement. That said, there is nothing to report unless he goes on the record and he didn't. I don't think anyone is suggesting Bowyer entirely invented Solly's position either, but I don't think it was a done deal that he wouldn't play and his position was pre-empted, which was the problem.
2 POTYs, 1 young POTY, 1 league one title, 1 league one play off trophy, over 300 appearances most of which with a dodgy knee and shit owners, academy product.
All the above is not forgotten because he left when he was a second choice right back.
He chose not to make himself available when we had the chance to save ourselves from relegation.
Second choice or not, he refused to play for us.
Taylor is vilified, and rightly so, but at least he had the guts to come and front it out by saying why he made his decision.
Taylor’s decision clearly cost us relegation.
Solly’s didn’t.
Taylor was looking to get away from us because he wanted more money.
Solly, was looking at getting a contract for himself before he was released anyway.
Its not a positive thing from Solly, but it absolutely no way eradicates all he’s done for our club.
They made the same decision.
Just because Taylor is a better player than Solly (at the time), it doesn't mean Taylor's decision was worse than Solly's one.
It does mean exactly that.
Taylor was our talisman, Solly our reserve right back. Solly NOT leaving wouldn’t of changed a thing, so I for one don’t care (as much).
What they did is exactly the same (If Solly did refuse to play), just because you don't care about one as much as the other doesn't mean it isn't.
Part of being second choice in any position is being ready if and when you're called upon to help your team mates, Solly wasn't prepared to do that. (Again, If Solly did refuse to play)
Why would anyone care as much. Solly was gonna have as much impact as a ball boy in those final games, Taylor would of kept us up.
Interesting viewpoint that you only want one side of the story !
If someone tells me your an arse hole do I believe it or do I make my own mind up when I hear you speak or tell your story.
Swear at me too mate, because you will get some LOL.
Its also worth pointing out that Dave has had the misfortune of knowing me since our school days
So any swearing / insults between us should be taken with a pinch of salt
FA, I meant Dave saying Fuck him regarding Chris Solly.
What guys on here say to each other in jest or for real doesn't bother me either way.
Chris Solly career was plagued by knee issues as we all know. 7 years ago in Spain Chris could only do stationary bike exercises when everyone else was trying to put down a marker in the pre season friendlies in the Mijas hills. Big Bob Peeters was the new boss. I'd like to know both sides of the story. Chris didn't have a 400% pay rise in the pipeline when he disappeared !
So what did you mean by get some?
I edited it to "get more LOL" which translate to Get more Laugh out Loud. from * "get some LOL" as your paranoid is causing you to read something that isn't there. Your Mate FA can explain it to you.
It's so boring when the chuckle brother routine starts.
*"From me to you"
* No violence was intended by any posts by Soapbox Sam over the last 7 years of his tenure on Charlton Life.
2 POTYs, 1 young POTY, 1 league one title, 1 league one play off trophy, over 300 appearances most of which with a dodgy knee and shit owners, academy product.
All the above is not forgotten because he left when he was a second choice right back.
He chose not to make himself available when we had the chance to save ourselves from relegation.
Second choice or not, he refused to play for us.
Taylor is vilified, and rightly so, but at least he had the guts to come and front it out by saying why he made his decision.
Taylor’s decision clearly cost us relegation.
Solly’s didn’t.
Taylor was looking to get away from us because he wanted more money.
Solly, was looking at getting a contract for himself before he was released anyway.
Its not a positive thing from Solly, but it absolutely no way eradicates all he’s done for our club.
They made the same decision.
Just because Taylor is a better player than Solly (at the time), it doesn't mean Taylor's decision was worse than Solly's one.
It does mean exactly that.
Taylor was our talisman, Solly our reserve right back. Solly NOT leaving wouldn’t of changed a thing, so I for one don’t care (as much).
What they did is exactly the same (If Solly did refuse to play), just because you don't care about one as much as the other doesn't mean it isn't.
Part of being second choice in any position is being ready if and when you're called upon to help your team mates, Solly wasn't prepared to do that. (Again, If Solly did refuse to play)
Why would anyone care as much. Solly was gonna have as much impact as a ball boy in those final games, Taylor would of kept us up.
Yes he would! Totally agree!
1 more goal in 7 games would have kept us up. Taylor has proved since his move to big school that he is a 1-7 striker 😂
Interesting viewpoint that you only want one side of the story !
If someone tells me your an arse hole do I believe it or do I make my own mind up when I hear you speak or tell your story.
Swear at me too mate, because you will get some LOL.
Its also worth pointing out that Dave has had the misfortune of knowing me since our school days
So any swearing / insults between us should be taken with a pinch of salt
FA, I meant Dave saying Fuck him regarding Chris Solly.
What guys on here say to each other in jest or for real doesn't bother me either way.
Chris Solly career was plagued by knee issues as we all know. 7 years ago in Spain Chris could only do stationary bike exercises when everyone else was trying to put down a marker in the pre season friendlies in the Mijas hills. Big Bob Peeters was the new boss. I'd like to know both sides of the story. Chris didn't have a 400% pay rise in the pipeline when he disappeared !
So what did you mean by get some?
I edited it to "get more LOL" which translate to Get more Laugh out Loud. from * "get some LOL" as your paranoid is causing you to read something that isn't there. Your Mate FA can explain it to you.
It's so boring when the chuckle brother routine starts.
*"From me to go"
* No violence was intended by any posts by Soapbox Sam over the last 7 years of his tenure on Charlton Life.
fuck off mate, I haven't gone back to check if you edited your post, despite what you believe, you aren't that important.
2 POTYs, 1 young POTY, 1 league one title, 1 league one play off trophy, over 300 appearances most of which with a dodgy knee and shit owners, academy product.
All the above is not forgotten because he left when he was a second choice right back.
He chose not to make himself available when we had the chance to save ourselves from relegation.
Second choice or not, he refused to play for us.
Taylor is vilified, and rightly so, but at least he had the guts to come and front it out by saying why he made his decision.
Taylor’s decision clearly cost us relegation.
Solly’s didn’t.
Taylor was looking to get away from us because he wanted more money.
Solly, was looking at getting a contract for himself before he was released anyway.
Its not a positive thing from Solly, but it absolutely no way eradicates all he’s done for our club.
They made the same decision.
Just because Taylor is a better player than Solly (at the time), it doesn't mean Taylor's decision was worse than Solly's one.
It does mean exactly that.
Taylor was our talisman, Solly our reserve right back. Solly NOT leaving wouldn’t of changed a thing, so I for one don’t care (as much).
What they did is exactly the same (If Solly did refuse to play), just because you don't care about one as much as the other doesn't mean it isn't.
Part of being second choice in any position is being ready if and when you're called upon to help your team mates, Solly wasn't prepared to do that. (Again, If Solly did refuse to play)
Why would anyone care as much. Solly was gonna have as much impact as a ball boy in those final games, Taylor would of kept us up.
No-one cares as much but that's irrelevant.
My best mate could get punched in the mouth on the same day Piers Morgan gets punched in the mouth. I care more about my best mate but both incidents are as wrong as each other. (Yes, I know punching Piers Morgan may not seem wrong).
2 POTYs, 1 young POTY, 1 league one title, 1 league one play off trophy, over 300 appearances most of which with a dodgy knee and shit owners, academy product.
All the above is not forgotten because he left when he was a second choice right back.
He chose not to make himself available when we had the chance to save ourselves from relegation.
Second choice or not, he refused to play for us.
Taylor is vilified, and rightly so, but at least he had the guts to come and front it out by saying why he made his decision.
Taylor’s decision clearly cost us relegation.
Solly’s didn’t.
Taylor was looking to get away from us because he wanted more money.
Solly, was looking at getting a contract for himself before he was released anyway.
Its not a positive thing from Solly, but it absolutely no way eradicates all he’s done for our club.
They made the same decision.
Just because Taylor is a better player than Solly (at the time), it doesn't mean Taylor's decision was worse than Solly's one.
It does mean exactly that.
Taylor was our talisman, Solly our reserve right back. Solly NOT leaving wouldn’t of changed a thing, so I for one don’t care (as much).
What they did is exactly the same (If Solly did refuse to play), just because you don't care about one as much as the other doesn't mean it isn't.
Part of being second choice in any position is being ready if and when you're called upon to help your team mates, Solly wasn't prepared to do that. (Again, If Solly did refuse to play)
Why would anyone care as much. Solly was gonna have as much impact as a ball boy in those final games, Taylor would of kept us up.
No-one cares as much but that's irrelevant.
My best mate could get punched in the mouth on the same day Piers Morgan gets punched in the mouth. I care more about my best mate but both incidents are as wrong as each other. (Yes, I know punching Piers Morgan may not seem wrong).
That analogy is only relevant if you think there’s charlton fans who rate Solly more than Taylor in 2020, highly unlikely.
The issue is principle for those who are pissed off with Solly, and I get it, we all have levels of it, but levels that are so high you’re happy to forget 2011/12 and 2012/13 where he beat players such as Yann, BWP, Stephens, Morrison, Wiggins etc to POTY, twice, plus all the rest of his performances and achievements, that is just odd.
Only ever spoke to Chris Solly about Golf and Arsenal, but was it 18 years CS spent at Cafc ? Chris would only have been picked at LB by LB in the 9 match mini League. which seemed to be a thing that started about 5 years ago with trying the right footed defender on the left side, and continues to this day with the curse of the injured Left backs over the last 20 years even in our premier days. Page shades Wiggins in games missed ?
Taylor was only at Cafc for two years and was just a striker for hire as he had been at Wimbledon which was his first success in football after 10 years. Lyle won't be the first person or the last to struggle at big school. At Forest he just can't see the wood for the trees.
I think Solly would say that when Bowyer came out publicly and said he, Taylor and Davis had decided they would not play that wasn't a fair statement of his position.
He could have come out and put the record straight no?
If he cared about fan opinion of him he'd have been in the papers the next day.
Maybe, just maybe, that’s not Chris Solly’s personality.
Some people don’t want to be involved in gossip and scandal. Doesn’t automatically mean they’ve done something wrong and that they don’t have a valid reasoning for something that’s happened.
Not every player / person thinks and acts the same.
You can’t tell me that Chris Solly didn’t care about the club or fanbase having spent about two decades of his life around it.
I feel like any person that feels like they've been unfairly slandered would want to correct the record no?
If he's chosen to go to the PFA, take a bit of money and sign an NDA it shows where his focus was placed.
It was well known to the media at the time that Solly was unhappy with Bowyer's announcement. That said, there is nothing to report unless he goes on the record and he didn't. I don't think anyone is suggesting Bowyer entirely invented Solly's position either, but I don't think it was a done deal that he wouldn't play and his position was pre-empted, which was the problem.
For Bowyer to come out and say it there must have been some discussion had and Solly wasn't willing to commit to playing for the club.
As much wriggle room as people want to give him, those are the facts.
If he was unhappy about being a second choice right back, cared about his baby at the time, worried about getting injured etc. etc. we don't know and probably won't ever know at this point.
I think Solly would say that when Bowyer came out publicly and said he, Taylor and Davis had decided they would not play that wasn't a fair statement of his position.
yes, but what was his position and why doesn't he come out and say it ? i reckon Bowyer had a heart to heart chat with all the players in a behind closed doors type of atmosphere and then thrown these 3 under the bus publicly - i could be wrong
Solly always did his best for us and should be remembered fondly and treated with respect. He fell out with his manager and wanted away, happens all the time. Solly spent a lot longer at CAFC than Bowyer, or indeed most of our playing staff over the past 25+ years
Chris Solly couldn't pass a medical in the top four tiers of the EFL. Below that many players get paid if they play and are not even on contracts as the club's can't afford to pay people who are out injured as you go down the steps of the pyramid.
After our League 1 record breaking season, Solly nearly went to West Ham before fate played a part and Solly knees decided his future. Cracking player over many seasons for Charlton before the wear and tear took its toll on his performances.
I don't think Solly can be compared with Taylor. For starters, the club were not willing to offer him a new deal whereas it would have done for Taylor. Solly had a career limiting injury that he would surely have had to factor into his decision whereas Taylor didn't. I am certainly not comfortable jumping to anti Solly conclusions and think it is sad that many have.
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I don't recall Bowyer ever saying anything publicly that crossed the line and made him right on a lot of things he did say.
Adkins is the polar opposite and his "great bunch of honest lads" approach doesn't seem to have the players running through walls for him.
If there was behind the scenes episodes that constituted bullying then of course that's a different matter and no doubt many of the methods from the era Bowyer grew up in are outdated and not accepted in 2021.
However in the absence of confirmation of that and going only on what is evident to date Solly lost legend status in many eyes when he refused to honour his contract and refused to make himself available for selection.
Whether he did that rightly for his own personal reasons/ best interests may be the case and not gonna judge players too much for looking out for number one. And whilst he has enough in the bank in prolonged contribution to Charlton meaning he (probably unfairly) escapes the same criticism levelled at Taylor he still let Bowyer, his teammates and our club and us fans down badly by doing so and can't be heralded as a legend by many for doing so.
FA, I meant Dave saying Fuck him regarding Chris Solly.
What guys on here say to each other in jest or for real doesn't bother me either way.
Chris Solly career was plagued by knee issues as we all know. 7 years ago in Spain Chris could only do stationary bike exercises when everyone else was trying to put down a marker in the pre season friendlies in the Mijas hills. Big Bob Peeters was the new boss.
I'd like to know both sides of the story. Chris didn't have a 400% pay rise in the pipeline when he disappeared !
If he cared about fan opinion of him he'd have been in the papers the next day.
Part of being second choice in any position is being ready if and when you're called upon to help your team mates, Solly wasn't prepared to do that. (Again, If Solly did refuse to play)
If he's chosen to go to the PFA, take a bit of money and sign an NDA it shows where his focus was placed.
if Chris could have passed a medical elsewhere he would have been on his toes years ago
By the way I'm not saying Bowyer is like my direct boss😂 I really liked him when he was our manager until the end. I still hope he can do well at Birmingham. I give my example just to show that "to correct the record" publicly is not necessary always the best or the easiest choice. How to do it requires serious consideration. Maybe Solly thinks it would just be too much trouble and not worth it.
I edited it to "get more LOL" which translate to Get more Laugh out Loud.
from * "get some LOL" as your paranoid is causing you to read something that isn't there. Your Mate FA can explain it to you.
It's so boring when the chuckle brother routine starts.
*"From me to you"
* No violence was intended by any posts by Soapbox Sam over the last 7 years of his tenure on Charlton Life.
1 more goal in 7 games would have kept us up. Taylor has proved since his move to big school that he is a 1-7 striker 😂
your original post didn't make sense.
My best mate could get punched in the mouth on the same day Piers Morgan gets punched in the mouth. I care more about my best mate but both incidents are as wrong as each other. (Yes, I know punching Piers Morgan may not seem wrong).
The issue is principle for those who are pissed off with Solly, and I get it, we all have levels of it, but levels that are so high you’re happy to forget 2011/12 and 2012/13 where he beat players such as Yann, BWP, Stephens, Morrison, Wiggins etc to POTY, twice, plus all the rest of his performances and achievements, that is just odd.
Only ever spoke to Chris Solly about Golf and Arsenal, but was it 18 years CS spent at Cafc ? Chris would only have been picked at LB by LB in the 9 match mini League. which seemed to be a thing that started about 5 years ago with trying the right footed defender on the left side, and continues to this day with the curse of the injured Left backs over the last 20 years even in our premier days. Page shades Wiggins in games missed ?
Taylor was only at Cafc for two years and was just a striker for hire as he had been at Wimbledon which was his first success in football after 10 years.
Lyle won't be the first person or the last to struggle at big school.
At Forest he just can't see the wood for the trees.
As much wriggle room as people want to give him, those are the facts.
If he was unhappy about being a second choice right back, cared about his baby at the time, worried about getting injured etc. etc. we don't know and probably won't ever know at this point.
After our League 1 record breaking season, Solly nearly went to West Ham before fate played a part and Solly knees decided his future. Cracking player over many seasons for Charlton before the wear and tear took its toll on his performances.