If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
They are another outfit who will wait for brexit and make that as an excuse to leave. Others will do it too, who were going to do it anyway. Thousands of companies have shut and moved base for lots of years, shame that some are only concerned about the last two years, and genuinely didn't give a toss about peoples jobs prior to this.
Can you give any reason - other than the effects of Brexit - that Airbus would consider moving from the UK in the next year?
No..I am not their managing director or chief executive and neither are you...but many companies move about, can you give me a reason why they did prior to Brexit.
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
They are another outfit who will wait for brexit and make that as an excuse to leave. Others will do it too, who were going to do it anyway. Thousands of companies have shut and moved base for lots of years, shame that some are only concerned about the last two years, and genuinely didn't give a toss about peoples jobs prior to this.
So the next time someone blames the EU loan for Ford moving their van production to Turkey, I can quote you then Chippy? Nice one.
Two years ago today, Nick Clegg published this piece in the Independent. It would be interesting to see which of these predictions Leavers still claim to be "project fear" and which have turned out to be astonishingly accurate prophecy.
I really wish these predictions hadn't turned out to be so accurate.
@Chippycafc and @Howells did you "LOL" this post because the predictions were so astonishingly accurate? Or were you laughing because you couldn't find a means of gainsaying the article?
Anything clegg says is worthless...ask university students.
We are rapidly moving from constructive ambiguity towards tensions which cannot be managed. Nobody knows what might give first but a certain perspective maintains that the act of leaving the EU next March will prove too much.
That coincides with the UK having zero negotiating leverage so 2019 will be very interesting whether one is Irish, working in business, financial services or any sector at the cutting edge.
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
They are another outfit who will wait for brexit and make that as an excuse to leave. Others will do it too, who were going to do it anyway. Thousands of companies have shut and moved base for lots of years, shame that some are only concerned about the last two years, and genuinely didn't give a toss about peoples jobs prior to this.
Can you give any reason - other than the effects of Brexit - that Airbus would consider moving from the UK in the next year?
No..I am not their managing director or chief executive and neither are you...but many companies move about, can you give me a reason why they did prior to Brexit.
You’ll have to ask that prominent Leaver James Dyson. He sacrificed 800 jobs in Wiltshire by moving production to Malaysia for the sake of saving himself a few quid in cheaper labour costs I guess.
Some of you guys seem to enjoy being bossed around by big business. I bet some of you are socialists as well-go figure.
It's just called living with reality, Southbank. It's not political.
So if they said they would leave if corporation tax is put up to pay for the health service, would you be against health service funding as well?
You appear to have drifted further away from the situation than you were before. Let's deal with that scenario when it happens, and face the reality as it is, eh?
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
They are another outfit who will wait for brexit and make that as an excuse to leave. Others will do it too, who were going to do it anyway. Thousands of companies have shut and moved base for lots of years, shame that some are only concerned about the last two years, and genuinely didn't give a toss about peoples jobs prior to this.
Can you give any reason - other than the effects of Brexit - that Airbus would consider moving from the UK in the next year?
No..I am not their managing director or chief executive and neither are you...but many companies move about, can you give me a reason why they did prior to Brexit.
You’ll have to ask that prominent Leaver James Dyson. He sacrificed 800 jobs in Wiltshire by moving production to Malaysia for the sake of saving himself a few quid in cheaper labour costs I guess.
Yet still happy to apply for EU loans and explore the support it offers his business
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
They are another outfit who will wait for brexit and make that as an excuse to leave. Others will do it too, who were going to do it anyway. Thousands of companies have shut and moved base for lots of years, shame that some are only concerned about the last two years, and genuinely didn't give a toss about peoples jobs prior to this.
Can you give any reason - other than the effects of Brexit - that Airbus would consider moving from the UK in the next year?
No..I am not their managing director or chief executive and neither are you...but many companies move about, can you give me a reason why they did prior to Brexit.
Ok. Thanks for being honest and sharing the fact you cannot provide any reason that Airbus would consider leaving the UK, other than due to Brexit.
Two years ago today, Nick Clegg published this piece in the Independent. It would be interesting to see which of these predictions Leavers still claim to be "project fear" and which have turned out to be astonishingly accurate prophecy.
I really wish these predictions hadn't turned out to be so accurate.
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
They are another outfit who will wait for brexit and make that as an excuse to leave. Others will do it too, who were going to do it anyway. Thousands of companies have shut and moved base for lots of years, shame that some are only concerned about the last two years, and genuinely didn't give a toss about peoples jobs prior to this.
Can you give any reason - other than the effects of Brexit - that Airbus would consider moving from the UK in the next year?
No..I am not their managing director or chief executive and neither are you...but many companies move about, can you give me a reason why they did prior to Brexit.
You’ll have to ask that prominent Leaver James Dyson. He sacrificed 800 jobs in Wiltshire by moving production to Malaysia for the sake of saving himself a few quid in cheaper labour costs I guess.
Indeed been going on for years, some think its only just happening.
Two years ago today, Nick Clegg published this piece in the Independent. It would be interesting to see which of these predictions Leavers still claim to be "project fear" and which have turned out to be astonishingly accurate prophecy.
I really wish these predictions hadn't turned out to be so accurate.
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
They are another outfit who will wait for brexit and make that as an excuse to leave. Others will do it too, who were going to do it anyway. Thousands of companies have shut and moved base for lots of years, shame that some are only concerned about the last two years, and genuinely didn't give a toss about peoples jobs prior to this.
Can you give any reason - other than the effects of Brexit - that Airbus would consider moving from the UK in the next year?
No..I am not their managing director or chief executive and neither are you...but many companies move about, can you give me a reason why they did prior to Brexit.
Ok. Thanks for being honest and sharing the fact you cannot provide any reason that Airbus would consider leaving the UK, other than due to Brexit.
Good to see finally you have concerns about British jobs...It would be great to hear your tales of being on a picket lines or rallying to support fireman, dockers, miners, nurses, doctors, teachers, lorry drivers, railway men, GCHQ staff to name but a few...and the financial losses you received by supporting these people...or your marches to Parliament square rallying for the injustice of Austerity, or did your concern only start in recent times.
yes, just post "soundbites" that in themselves don't prove anything. All taken out of context & simply shows that a couple of leavers think that we could follow the Norway model. By leaving the EU we HAVE to leave the single market / free movement of trade & people. Michel Barnier has said this on numerous occaisons.
Has he?
Reposting to fix the knock on effect of Golfie's broken quoting
Apologies if I've missed this in the intervening pages of why we shouldn't be doing what we can to stop small children drowning @golfaddick but have you got a source for your claim that Barnier has said multiple times we have to leave the single market on leaving the EU?
Sorry to raise this again @golfaddick but any luck with sourcing your claim please?
I'm reading today that there were 117,000 jobs linked to Airbus in 2015 which contributed £7.8b to the economy. I knew it was a substantial player in our economy but that scale surprised me.
I understand the desire to right off their Risk Assessment as more 'Project Fear'. Indeed it seems reading this...
...there are Airbus employees still taking the Chippy approach and ignoring anything they don't like the sound of. Let's hope they're right tbh but if the noises coming out of Airbus, BMW and other large employers are backed up with, (even scaled back) action over the winter we are going to see the whole house of cards start to look very shaky.
So the argument being put forward now is that industry and employers are shifting about at the present time, and it is normal ebb and flow and nothing to do with brexit. Two years after the referendum, business decisions happen with narry a thought about brexit impact, yet we are told to expect good business decisions in the future because of the benefit of brexit. I mean is this thinking really happening? All the negative business stuff is normal crap, but any future goodies will be non existent because of brexit? To postulate the notion that UK companies are currently operating in a brexit free vacuum is yet more moronic thinking by brexiters. However if you voted leave you will say black is white in order to be right. As for patriotism, however that is defined, it is clear that those voting brexit are unpatriotic traitors to this increasingly grubby little country, and their vote was about their personal self serving interest rather than about the benefit for everybody.
Two years ago today, Nick Clegg published this piece in the Independent. It would be interesting to see which of these predictions Leavers still claim to be "project fear" and which have turned out to be astonishingly accurate prophecy.
I really wish these predictions hadn't turned out to be so accurate.
sorry, but couldn't get past "unemployment rising, sterling tanking, prices rising in the shops..."
unemployment is currently at record lows and inflation(rpi or cpi) is around 2.5% and falling.
Unemployment has reduced since the vote, but it's certainly not at "record lows". So maybe we will have to wait a bit longer for the job losses to rack up and for unemployment to revert upwards.
But you're right about inflation. Prices are rising.
It's a shame you didn't read further, because you'll have seen that a lot of other things he mentions are prophetic.
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You've taken the headline and story completely out of context (of course) and decided that's summed up brexit?
Odd.
There is a long, long way to go before anything is 'summed up' but Im sure you knew that.
Funny that...
Or is it:
No deal could force BMW and Airbus to leave the UK?
Very different things.
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/06/11/how-ulster-unionists-block-brexit/
We are rapidly moving from constructive ambiguity towards tensions which cannot be managed. Nobody knows what might give first but a certain perspective maintains that the act of leaving the EU next March will prove too much.
That coincides with the UK having zero negotiating leverage so 2019 will be very interesting whether one is Irish, working in business, financial services or any sector at the cutting edge.
You’ll have to ask that prominent Leaver James Dyson. He sacrificed 800 jobs in Wiltshire by moving production to Malaysia for the sake of saving himself a few quid in cheaper labour costs I guess.
He’s a hypocrite imo
unemployment is currently at record lows and inflation(rpi or cpi) is around 2.5% and falling.
I understand the desire to right off their Risk Assessment as more 'Project Fear'. Indeed it seems reading this...
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/airbus-brexit-staff-concerns-uk-investment/
...there are Airbus employees still taking the Chippy approach and ignoring anything they don't like the sound of. Let's hope they're right tbh but if the noises coming out of Airbus, BMW and other large employers are backed up with, (even scaled back) action over the winter we are going to see the whole house of cards start to look very shaky.
Two years after the referendum, business decisions happen with narry a thought about brexit impact, yet we are told to expect good business decisions in the future because of the benefit of brexit.
I mean is this thinking really happening?
All the negative business stuff is normal crap, but any future goodies will be
non existentbecause of brexit?To postulate the notion that UK companies are currently operating in a brexit free vacuum is yet more moronic thinking by brexiters.
However if you voted leave you will say black is white in order to be right.
As for patriotism, however that is defined, it is clear that those voting brexit are unpatriotic traitors to this increasingly grubby little country, and their vote was about their personal self serving interest rather than about the benefit for everybody.
But you're right about inflation. Prices are rising.
It's a shame you didn't read further, because you'll have seen that a lot of other things he mentions are prophetic.
Still... blue passports.