On the brexit vote in Parliament today the Tory whips have calculated that they have the numbers, just. It is their gamble to then have the 'sovereign' Parliament that brexit voters seemingly voted in favour of becomes a bystander whilst a narrow cabal of Tory nutcases decide the future of the country.
It is the people who are sovereign in a democracy. The people voted last year for two parties committed to Brexit. The Tory rebels are Remainers to a man and woman trying to use Parliament to overturn what the people voted for. It is pretty straightforward really.
What utter nonsense. Something like 65% of Labour voters in the last election voted Remain in the referendum. Something like 87% of Labour members are remainers.
What did the manifesto say? It seems any remainers voting labour should speak to some turkeys about xmas.
Anyone who genuinely thinks everyone who voted Labour in the last election agreed with the Labour manifesto policy on Brexit is a complete moron.
On the brexit vote in Parliament today the Tory whips have calculated that they have the numbers, just. It is their gamble to then have the 'sovereign' Parliament that brexit voters seemingly voted in favour of becomes a bystander whilst a narrow cabal of Tory nutcases decide the future of the country.
It is the people who are sovereign in a democracy. The people voted last year for two parties committed to Brexit. The Tory rebels are Remainers to a man and woman trying to use Parliament to overturn what the people voted for. It is pretty straightforward really.
What utter nonsense. Something like 65% of Labour voters in the last election voted Remain in the referendum. Something like 87% of Labour members are remainers.
What did the manifesto say? It seems any remainers voting labour should speak to some turkeys about xmas.
Anyone who genuinely thinks everyone who voted Labour in the last election agreed with the Labour manifesto policy on Brexit is a complete moron.
I don't think anyone has said that. Not everyone may support Brexit, but they voted for a party that does, seems odd to me. Almost like a remainer voting for UKIP.
A Remainer voting Labour is almost like a Remainer voting UKIP!?! Got to be one of the most stupid comments to ever be posted on here.
If you can't understand how Labour voters who are Remainers still voted Labour despite the Labour pro Brexit manifesto imposed by the momentum group you have less than zero understanding of the longstanding tribalist nature of British politics.
A Remainer voting Labour is almost like a Remainer voting UKIP!?! Got to be one of the most stupid comments to ever be posted on here.
If you can't understand how Labour voters who are Remainers still voted Labour despite the Labour pro Brexit manifesto imposed by the momentum group you have less than zero understanding of the longstanding tribalist nature of British politics.
I understand it, i just think it's entirely ridiculous, but as you don't seem capable of having a discussion without resorting to insults, I see no point in continuing.
In this time when the definition of democracy is fluid, how about the notion that somebody votes for the individual first, their party is a lesser consideration, and specific party policies even less so? Having said that Labour policy on brexit stinks to high heaven, but the Tory party policy reeks of the stench of hell.
A Remainer voting Labour is almost like a Remainer voting UKIP!?! Got to be one of the most stupid comments to ever be posted on here.
If you can't understand how Labour voters who are Remainers still voted Labour despite the Labour pro Brexit manifesto imposed by the momentum group you have less than zero understanding of the longstanding tribalist nature of British politics.
I understand it, i just think it's entirely ridiculous, but as you don't seem capable of having a discussion without resorting to insults, I see no point in continuing.
But when you describe someone you don't know as a loon that isn't an insult then?
...and in today's Brexit news the CEO of Airbus say, "We have sought to highlight our concerns over the past 12 months, without success. Far from Project Fear, this is a dawning reality for Airbus," he said.
"Put simply, a no-deal scenario directly threatens Airbus' future in the UK."
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
So you people who voted brexit are only now advertising the job of aviation negotiator to sort out the shared airspace deal post brexit.
Brexit voters knew before they voted that air travel couldn't continue as before with a seamless change in name only. However now, more than two years after the brexit referendum victory and less than one year before the UK leaves, brexit voters are rushing to appoint somebody to help avoid air travel chaos.
Don't you brexit voters think you're rushing things a bit?
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
Two years ago today, Nick Clegg published this piece in the Independent. It would be interesting to see which of these predictions Leavers still claim to be "project fear" and which have turned out to be astonishingly accurate prophecy.
I really wish these predictions hadn't turned out to be so accurate.
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
I read it as much more that they are on the point of implementing the solutions and contingency plans that they have developed over the last 24 months, and that they haven't been sitting around doing nothing, waiting for an agreement to be arrived at.
However, they are, right now, at the stage where (probably far beyond it - but maybe they believed the assurances of Mrs May about the deal she should agree with the EU, just as soon as she agree a deal with her party), if any production is to be moved, the decision can no longer be fudged.
IMHO, they are making a pretty clear statement that, should there be no form of real progress towards the type of free and easy trading relationship, and membership (without ECJ oversight) of all those useful EU safety bodies, that the UK Government has promised, announced in next week's EU Council meeting, they cannot wait any longer to protect their business.
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
They are another outfit who will wait for brexit and make that as an excuse to leave. Others will do it too, who were going to do it anyway. Thousands of companies have shut and moved base for lots of years, shame that some are only concerned about the last two years, and genuinely didn't give a toss about peoples jobs prior to this.
Two years ago today, Nick Clegg published this piece in the Independent. It would be interesting to see which of these predictions Leavers still claim to be "project fear" and which have turned out to be astonishingly accurate prophecy.
I really wish these predictions hadn't turned out to be so accurate.
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
They are another outfit who will wait for brexit and make that as an excuse to leave. Others will do it too, who were going to do it anyway. Thousands of companies have shut and moved base for lots of years, shame that some are only concerned about the last two years, and genuinely didn't give a toss about peoples jobs prior to this.
Global corporations are interested in their profits and nothing else. If they can cut costs (labour costs, taxes) by moving they will. If you want these large companies you make sure you have the skills they need and/or the right economic situation... What's the tax regime, can they get their goods and services in and out of the country to their satisfaction... Brexit, at least in terms of where we are going, is not as attractive to the likes of airbus. I'm sure it's possible to make brexit work, but I'm also sure we'll fuck it up
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
They are another outfit who will wait for brexit and make that as an excuse to leave. Others will do it too, who were going to do it anyway. Thousands of companies have shut and moved base for lots of years, shame that some are only concerned about the last two years, and genuinely didn't give a toss about peoples jobs prior to this.
Can you give any reason - other than the effects of Brexit - that Airbus would consider moving from the UK in the next year?
Two years ago today, Nick Clegg published this piece in the Independent. It would be interesting to see which of these predictions Leavers still claim to be "project fear" and which have turned out to be astonishingly accurate prophecy.
I really wish these predictions hadn't turned out to be so accurate.
@Chippycafc and @Howells did you "LOL" this post because the predictions were so astonishingly accurate? Or were you laughing because you couldn't find a means of gainsaying the article?
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
What a load of rubbish. Airbus build their parts all over the EU mostly for historic political reasons. That is only cost effective with zero tariffs and borders As soon as it take more time and money than the pure transportation costs then it's no longer efficient for Airbus. Why would they produce a wing in Wales only to have to held up at customs and have to pay to get it to France to attach to the fuselage?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I can picture it now.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
They are another outfit who will wait for brexit and make that as an excuse to leave. Others will do it too, who were going to do it anyway. Thousands of companies have shut and moved base for lots of years, shame that some are only concerned about the last two years, and genuinely didn't give a toss about peoples jobs prior to this.
So the next time someone blames the EU loan for Ford moving their van production to Turkey, I can quote you then Chippy? Nice one.
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
@Algarveaddick Anything to add or are you just going to post childish memes? (go on, google 'what is a meme' )
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
@Algarveaddick Anything to add or are you just going to post childish memes? (go on, google 'what is a meme' )
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe. Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say. And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787. Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016. They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
@Algarveaddick Anything to add or are you just going to post childish memes? (go on, google 'what is a meme' )
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If you can't understand how Labour voters who are Remainers still voted Labour despite the Labour pro Brexit manifesto imposed by the momentum group you have less than zero understanding of the longstanding tribalist nature of British politics.
Having said that Labour policy on brexit stinks to high heaven, but the Tory party policy reeks of the stench of hell.
"Put simply, a no-deal scenario directly threatens Airbus' future in the UK."
https://bbc.co.uk/news/business-44570931
14,000 jobs and 4000 suppliers could be effected.
Poor form from a firm as huge as Airbus are.
If they are honestly suggesting that they haven't sought any solution or contingency plan over the last 12 months then I find that very hard to believe.
Do we really think the bods sitting at airbus HQ have been sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting to see if a deal will be made with the EU? Unlikely.
No doubting that jobs and suppliers COULD be affected but it would be simply incompetent of airbus to leave it down to UK govt before acting themselves.
It quite clearly is project fear despite what they say.
And using so many thousands of jobs as a bargaining chip on behalf of their beloved eu is low.
Airbus have ploughed so much money into the a380 which is now faltering whilst boeing are powering on with the 787.
Whatever the fate of airbus UK the positive is the post-brexit decision from the Don and Boeing to move their European headquarters to the UK in 2016.
They aren't worried about brexit and with good reason.
Brexit voters knew before they voted that air travel couldn't continue as before with a seamless change in name only. However now, more than two years after the brexit referendum victory and less than one year before the UK leaves, brexit voters are rushing to appoint somebody to help avoid air travel chaos.
Don't you brexit voters think you're rushing things a bit?
If you think their concern in that situation is purely their love of the EU then you are delusional, and they would be mad to base part of their supply chain in a "no deal" UK.
I really wish these predictions hadn't turned out to be so accurate.
https://inews.co.uk/?p=11756
However, they are, right now, at the stage where (probably far beyond it - but maybe they believed the assurances of Mrs May about the deal she should agree with the EU, just as soon as she agree a deal with her party), if any production is to be moved, the decision can no longer be fudged.
IMHO, they are making a pretty clear statement that, should there be no form of real progress towards the type of free and easy trading relationship, and membership (without ECJ oversight) of all those useful EU safety bodies, that the UK Government has promised, announced in next week's EU Council meeting, they cannot wait any longer to protect their business.
They turn up at the channel tunnel, and a burly fella with a uniform rocks up...
'ere mate, where do you think you're going with that trent 900'
Anything to add or are you just going to post childish memes?
(go on, google 'what is a meme' )
Won’t be the first two to break cover