Good to see our old friend chlorinated chicken is back.
As a side note to the story he writes that of the UK trade delegation sent to Washington earlier this year, 0 of the 27 sent by our government were experienced trade negotiators, against the 20 on the US side. We are so going to get our trousers pulled down in any future talks...
I think Brexiters still think we live in a world where we send a group of moustached diplomats in 3-piece suits to embassies in exotic locations, drink some sherry, play a game of cricket with the natives then return with a schooner laden with tea, furs and spices. At least that's the impression Boris and co give as they wander about singing racist nursery rhymes and referring to piccaninnies.
Were they all wearing Nazi uniforms, whilst goose stepping, as well?
No you're thinking of Nazis.
Apologies for misreading your sensationalism.
No I think you just spectacularly missed a very tongue-in-cheek post.
You think wrong. What you claim to be tongue in cheek seems/appears/are blatantly obvious thinly veiled digs, wrapped up in your usual faux emotive musings, that you put out there to sensationalise everything that opposes what you believe (which changes from one year to the next, depending on what's popular at the time). Whether that be politically or personally.
When you're pulled up on it it's always others that spectacularly miss the point, don't get it or they're just little Englanders that dont have the cranial capacity that you delude yourself as having. Another deluge of over the top emotion driven nonsense generally follows, usually aimed at the person that questions you, with the intention of slandering them or painting them as being the antichrist so that others won't intervene for fear of getting caught up in your narcissistic ranting.
I could well be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
Without doubt...this is the post of the year...superb.
If you enjoy cretinous hissy-fits of illiterate trolls then that's your prerogative. At least we know where you stand Chippy, with the spanners and not Charlton fans.
Good to see our old friend chlorinated chicken is back.
As a side note to the story he writes that of the UK trade delegation sent to Washington earlier this year, 0 of the 27 sent by our government were experienced trade negotiators, against the 20 on the US side. We are so going to get our trousers pulled down in any future talks...
I think Brexiters still think we live in a world where we send a group of moustached diplomats in 3-piece suits to embassies in exotic locations, drink some sherry, play a game of cricket with the natives then return with a schooner laden with tea, furs and spices. At least that's the impression Boris and co give as they wander about singing racist nursery rhymes and referring to piccaninnies.
Were they all wearing Nazi uniforms, whilst goose stepping, as well?
No you're thinking of Nazis.
Apologies for misreading your sensationalism.
No I think you just spectacularly missed a very tongue-in-cheek post.
You think wrong. What you claim to be tongue in cheek seems/appears/are blatantly obvious thinly veiled digs, wrapped up in your usual faux emotive musings, that you put out there to sensationalise everything that opposes what you believe (which changes from one year to the next, depending on what's popular at the time). Whether that be politically or personally.
When you're pulled up on it it's always others that spectacularly miss the point, don't get it or they're just little Englanders that dont have the cranial capacity that you delude yourself as having. Another deluge of over the top emotion driven nonsense generally follows, usually aimed at the person that questions you, with the intention of slandering them or painting them as being the antichrist so that others won't intervene for fear of getting caught up in your narcissistic ranting.
I could well be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
Without doubt...this is the post of the year...superb.
If you enjoy cretinous hissy-fits of illiterate trolls then that's your prerogative. At least we know where you stand Chippy, with the spanners and not Charlton fans.
Good to see our old friend chlorinated chicken is back.
As a side note to the story he writes that of the UK trade delegation sent to Washington earlier this year, 0 of the 27 sent by our government were experienced trade negotiators, against the 20 on the US side. We are so going to get our trousers pulled down in any future talks...
I think Brexiters still think we live in a world where we send a group of moustached diplomats in 3-piece suits to embassies in exotic locations, drink some sherry, play a game of cricket with the natives then return with a schooner laden with tea, furs and spices. At least that's the impression Boris and co give as they wander about singing racist nursery rhymes and referring to piccaninnies.
Were they all wearing Nazi uniforms, whilst goose stepping, as well?
No you're thinking of Nazis.
Apologies for misreading your sensationalism.
No I think you just spectacularly missed a very tongue-in-cheek post.
You think wrong. What you claim to be tongue in cheek seems/appears/are blatantly obvious thinly veiled digs, wrapped up in your usual faux emotive musings, that you put out there to sensationalise everything that opposes what you believe (which changes from one year to the next, depending on what's popular at the time). Whether that be politically or personally.
When you're pulled up on it it's always others that spectacularly miss the point, don't get it or they're just little Englanders that dont have the cranial capacity that you delude yourself as having. Another deluge of over the top emotion driven nonsense generally follows, usually aimed at the person that questions you, with the intention of slandering them or painting them as being the antichrist so that others won't intervene for fear of getting caught up in your narcissistic ranting.
I could well be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
Without doubt...this is the post of the year...superb.
If you enjoy cretinous hissy-fits of illiterate trolls then that's your prerogative. At least we know where you stand Chippy, with the spanners and not Charlton fans.
Wtf has it got to do with him being Millwall?
Wtf have Nazis got to do with anything?
Thanks for the illuminating clarification, really helpful.
@Fiiish You do seem to love an argument. I often find it entertaining. But not really feeling this episode can we fast forward and go back to the interesting posts?
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.
I found the reference to "unicorn slaughter" interesting, but, then, I'm funny like that....
That's an early Christmas present for the Cabinet! Whether we like it or not the post Brexit trade deal is in the gift of the EU. The UK has no leverage and the EU will be keen to offer Canada or Norway. One can speculate about the motivations behind that but this has been predicted for some time now.
So that is the big question for 2018: either we agree a narrow deal on goods or we remain in the single market. Either we have a customs union or hard borders. How many more times do the EU have to state that there will be no deal on services (which is 80% of the UK economy) unless the UK looks to stay in the Single Market? For sure, members of the Cabinet want the prospect of regulatory divergence with associated duplication / barriers / extra costs but this cannot be the basis of a solid arrangement with the EU.
Her Majesty's opposition is lining up more and more behind the SM/CU option and that is where 70% of Labour and Lib Dem voters are. Labour and Lib Dem are close to 50% in the polls whereas a year ago Conservative + UKIP were at 55% whilst the centre left struggled to hit 40% back in 2016. We will see where the polls go. And also what the 12 remain Tories do - their votes are key and they have the ability to join with the opposition to stop a hard Brexit - perhaps more will join their number as 2018 brings clarity?
I found the reference to "unicorn slaughter" interesting, but, then, I'm funny like that....
That's an early Christmas present for the Cabinet! Whether we like it or not the post Brexit trade deal is in the gift of the EU. The UK has no leverage and the EU will be keen to offer Canada or Norway. One can speculate about the motivations behind that but this has been predicted for some time now.
So that is the big question for 2018: either we agree a narrow deal on goods or we remain in the single market. Either we have a customs union or hard borders. How many more times do the EU have to state that there will be no deal on services (which is 80% of the UK economy) unless the UK looks to stay in the Single Market? For sure, members of the Cabinet want the prospect of regulatory divergence with associated duplication / barriers / extra costs but this cannot be the basis of a solid arrangement with the EU.
Her Majesty's opposition is lining up more and more behind the SM/CU option and that is where 70% of Labour and Lib Dem voters are. Labour and Lib Dem are close to 50% in the polls whereas a year ago Conservative + UKIP were at 55% whilst the centre left struggled to hit 40% back in 2016. We will see where the polls go. And also what the 12 remain Tories do - their votes are key and they have the ability to join with the opposition to stop a hard Brexit - perhaps more will join their number as 2018 brings clarity?
Good to see our old friend chlorinated chicken is back.
As a side note to the story he writes that of the UK trade delegation sent to Washington earlier this year, 0 of the 27 sent by our government were experienced trade negotiators, against the 20 on the US side. We are so going to get our trousers pulled down in any future talks...
I think Brexiters still think we live in a world where we send a group of moustached diplomats in 3-piece suits to embassies in exotic locations, drink some sherry, play a game of cricket with the natives then return with a schooner laden with tea, furs and spices. At least that's the impression Boris and co give as they wander about singing racist nursery rhymes and referring to piccaninnies.
Were they all wearing Nazi uniforms, whilst goose stepping, as well?
No you're thinking of Nazis.
Apologies for misreading your sensationalism.
No I think you just spectacularly missed a very tongue-in-cheek post.
You think wrong. What you claim to be tongue in cheek seems/appears/are blatantly obvious thinly veiled digs, wrapped up in your usual faux emotive musings, that you put out there to sensationalise everything that opposes what you believe (which changes from one year to the next, depending on what's popular at the time). Whether that be politically or personally.
When you're pulled up on it it's always others that spectacularly miss the point, don't get it or they're just little Englanders that dont have the cranial capacity that you delude yourself as having. Another deluge of over the top emotion driven nonsense generally follows, usually aimed at the person that questions you, with the intention of slandering them or painting them as being the antichrist so that others won't intervene for fear of getting caught up in your narcissistic ranting.
I could well be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
Without doubt...this is the post of the year...superb.
If you enjoy cretinous hissy-fits of illiterate trolls then that's your prerogative. At least we know where you stand Chippy, with the spanners and not Charlton fans.
Wtf has it got to do with him being Millwall?
Well I will answer that.
When thinking about @Big_Bad_World 's fairly aggressive personal attack on @Fiiish I pondered something difficult to imagine, that I would go on a Millwall forum and attempt to join in on one their political threads. I know, I know, and indeed I would rather spend the afternoon pulling my own teeth out. However were I to go there, I think I would probably behave like a guest, and think twice before getting personal with an obvious stalwart of that forum.
Of course this is Charlton Life, a very liberal place, so BBW is free to write what and how he pleases, and we will all form our own conclusions on merit, as we do with each other. Personally I just would not visit another forum and write in the way I do here. I think it would be a bit presumptious to do so.
Good to see our old friend chlorinated chicken is back.
As a side note to the story he writes that of the UK trade delegation sent to Washington earlier this year, 0 of the 27 sent by our government were experienced trade negotiators, against the 20 on the US side. We are so going to get our trousers pulled down in any future talks...
I think Brexiters still think we live in a world where we send a group of moustached diplomats in 3-piece suits to embassies in exotic locations, drink some sherry, play a game of cricket with the natives then return with a schooner laden with tea, furs and spices. At least that's the impression Boris and co give as they wander about singing racist nursery rhymes and referring to piccaninnies.
Were they all wearing Nazi uniforms, whilst goose stepping, as well?
No you're thinking of Nazis.
Apologies for misreading your sensationalism.
No I think you just spectacularly missed a very tongue-in-cheek post.
You think wrong. What you claim to be tongue in cheek seems/appears/are blatantly obvious thinly veiled digs, wrapped up in your usual faux emotive musings, that you put out there to sensationalise everything that opposes what you believe (which changes from one year to the next, depending on what's popular at the time). Whether that be politically or personally.
When you're pulled up on it it's always others that spectacularly miss the point, don't get it or they're just little Englanders that dont have the cranial capacity that you delude yourself as having. Another deluge of over the top emotion driven nonsense generally follows, usually aimed at the person that questions you, with the intention of slandering them or painting them as being the antichrist so that others won't intervene for fear of getting caught up in your narcissistic ranting.
I could well be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
Without doubt...this is the post of the year...superb.
If you enjoy cretinous hissy-fits of illiterate trolls then that's your prerogative. At least we know where you stand Chippy, with the spanners and not Charlton fans.
Wtf has it got to do with him being Millwall?
Well I will answer that.
When thinking about @Big_Bad_World 's fairly aggressive personal attack on @Fiiish I pondered something difficult to imagine, that I would go on a Millwall forum and attempt to join in on one their political threads. I know, I know, and indeed I would rather spend the afternoon pulling my own teeth out. However were I to go there, I think I would probably behave like a guest, and think twice before getting personal with an obvious stalwart of that forum.
Of course this is Charlton Life, a very liberal place, so BBW is free to write what and how he pleases, and we will all form our own conclusions on merit, as we do with each other. Personally I just would not visit another forum and write in the way I do here. I think it would be a bit presumptious to do so.
Nothing whatsoever to do with that. He was equating Chippy to Millwall fans because his view was similar to that of BBW.
Good to see our old friend chlorinated chicken is back.
As a side note to the story he writes that of the UK trade delegation sent to Washington earlier this year, 0 of the 27 sent by our government were experienced trade negotiators, against the 20 on the US side. We are so going to get our trousers pulled down in any future talks...
I think Brexiters still think we live in a world where we send a group of moustached diplomats in 3-piece suits to embassies in exotic locations, drink some sherry, play a game of cricket with the natives then return with a schooner laden with tea, furs and spices. At least that's the impression Boris and co give as they wander about singing racist nursery rhymes and referring to piccaninnies.
Were they all wearing Nazi uniforms, whilst goose stepping, as well?
No you're thinking of Nazis.
Apologies for misreading your sensationalism.
No I think you just spectacularly missed a very tongue-in-cheek post.
You think wrong. What you claim to be tongue in cheek seems/appears/are blatantly obvious thinly veiled digs, wrapped up in your usual faux emotive musings, that you put out there to sensationalise everything that opposes what you believe (which changes from one year to the next, depending on what's popular at the time). Whether that be politically or personally.
When you're pulled up on it it's always others that spectacularly miss the point, don't get it or they're just little Englanders that dont have the cranial capacity that you delude yourself as having. Another deluge of over the top emotion driven nonsense generally follows, usually aimed at the person that questions you, with the intention of slandering them or painting them as being the antichrist so that others won't intervene for fear of getting caught up in your narcissistic ranting.
I could well be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
Without doubt...this is the post of the year...superb.
If you enjoy cretinous hissy-fits of illiterate trolls then that's your prerogative. At least we know where you stand Chippy, with the spanners and not Charlton fans.
Wtf has it got to do with him being Millwall?
Well I will answer that.
When thinking about @Big_Bad_World 's fairly aggressive personal attack on @Fiiish I pondered something difficult to imagine, that I would go on a Millwall forum and attempt to join in on one their political threads. I know, I know, and indeed I would rather spend the afternoon pulling my own teeth out. However were I to go there, I think I would probably behave like a guest, and think twice before getting personal with an obvious stalwart of that forum.
Of course this is Charlton Life, a very liberal place, so BBW is free to write what and how he pleases, and we will all form our own conclusions on merit, as we do with each other. Personally I just would not visit another forum and write in the way I do here. I think it would be a bit presumptious to do so.
Nothing whatsoever to do with that. He was equating Chippy to Millwall fans because his view was similar to that of BBW.
Its sad you have to spell it out to some people...when cutting and pasting dries out there is little left to show.
You wrote Wtf has it got to do with him being Millwall?
and I understand "him" to be BBW and not Chippy. I was going to post my remarks about BBW's attack on Fishy anyway, but overall I accept it is all a diversion from the more serious issues of how swimmingly Brexit is going, so on we go...
And with Trump not allowing 'allies' to disagree with him over Jerusalem it is hard to imagine him bending his America First rule in any trade deal with us.
I found the reference to "unicorn slaughter" interesting, but, then, I'm funny like that....
Well I suppose you can say that our options will at least be either 'no deal' or the 'Canada model', I suppose that is better than just the 'no deal' option we were careering toward.
Also can David Davis please stop calling it Canada plus plus plus, we are not children just one plus will do.
Good to see our old friend chlorinated chicken is back.
As a side note to the story he writes that of the UK trade delegation sent to Washington earlier this year, 0 of the 27 sent by our government were experienced trade negotiators, against the 20 on the US side. We are so going to get our trousers pulled down in any future talks...
I think Brexiters still think we live in a world where we send a group of moustached diplomats in 3-piece suits to embassies in exotic locations, drink some sherry, play a game of cricket with the natives then return with a schooner laden with tea, furs and spices. At least that's the impression Boris and co give as they wander about singing racist nursery rhymes and referring to piccaninnies.
Were they all wearing Nazi uniforms, whilst goose stepping, as well?
No you're thinking of Nazis.
Apologies for misreading your sensationalism.
No I think you just spectacularly missed a very tongue-in-cheek post.
You think wrong. What you claim to be tongue in cheek seems/appears/are blatantly obvious thinly veiled digs, wrapped up in your usual faux emotive musings, that you put out there to sensationalise everything that opposes what you believe (which changes from one year to the next, depending on what's popular at the time). Whether that be politically or personally.
When you're pulled up on it it's always others that spectacularly miss the point, don't get it or they're just little Englanders that dont have the cranial capacity that you delude yourself as having. Another deluge of over the top emotion driven nonsense generally follows, usually aimed at the person that questions you, with the intention of slandering them or painting them as being the antichrist so that others won't intervene for fear of getting caught up in your narcissistic ranting.
I could well be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
Without doubt...this is the post of the year...superb.
If you enjoy cretinous hissy-fits of illiterate trolls then that's your prerogative. At least we know where you stand Chippy, with the spanners and not Charlton fans.
Wtf has it got to do with him being Millwall?
Well I will answer that.
When thinking about @Big_Bad_World 's fairly aggressive personal attack on @Fiiish I pondered something difficult to imagine, that I would go on a Millwall forum and attempt to join in on one their political threads. I know, I know, and indeed I would rather spend the afternoon pulling my own teeth out. However were I to go there, I think I would probably behave like a guest, and think twice before getting personal with an obvious stalwart of that forum.
Of course this is Charlton Life, a very liberal place, so BBW is free to write what and how he pleases, and we will all form our own conclusions on merit, as we do with each other. Personally I just would not visit another forum and write in the way I do here. I think it would be a bit presumptious to do so.
Nothing whatsoever to do with that. He was equating Chippy to Millwall fans because his view was similar to that of BBW.
No I clearly wasn't, I was disappointed that Chippy was joining in with a spanner troll posting unprovoked vile personal abuse at a fellow Addick.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
What about Wensleydale with Cranberries.......?
It is a foul modern abomination which should be banned. Yet it is freely on sale in M&S in Prague. Bloody EU, allowing this to go on.
On a serious note @PragueAddick my son and Czech girlfriend are visiting family in Prague over Xmas and are taking with them at the Czech family's request vast amounts of smoked bacon. Does said m&s Prague not sell this? Or is my son and girlfriend in contravention of Eu rules? Cue @NornIrishAddick for some detailed insight?
On a serious note @PragueAddick my son and Czech girlfriend are visiting family in Prague over Xmas and are taking with them at the Czech family's request vast amounts of smoked bacon. Does said m&s Prague not sell this? Or is my son and girlfriend in contravention of Eu rules? Cue @NornIrishAddick for some detailed insight?
Oi!!! I may eat like a pig, some even say look like one too (but they're only the ones that like me - and even then they suggest I'm a rare breed), but....
Oh, you mean EU regulations.
Actually, I don't.
At a guess, if the smoked bacon is produced within the EU, I would imagine that it should be okay (but then Irish people have a long and honpurable(ish) history of travelling with industrial quantities of sausages, bacon, Barry's/Lyons' Tea, and Toyto crisps whenever visiting family).
There may, however, be some raised eyebrows when bags are being scanned (and I would check the airline's advice).
Good to see our old friend chlorinated chicken is back.
As a side note to the story he writes that of the UK trade delegation sent to Washington earlier this year, 0 of the 27 sent by our government were experienced trade negotiators, against the 20 on the US side. We are so going to get our trousers pulled down in any future talks...
I think Brexiters still think we live in a world where we send a group of moustached diplomats in 3-piece suits to embassies in exotic locations, drink some sherry, play a game of cricket with the natives then return with a schooner laden with tea, furs and spices. At least that's the impression Boris and co give as they wander about singing racist nursery rhymes and referring to piccaninnies.
Were they all wearing Nazi uniforms, whilst goose stepping, as well?
No you're thinking of Nazis.
Apologies for misreading your sensationalism.
No I think you just spectacularly missed a very tongue-in-cheek post.
You think wrong. What you claim to be tongue in cheek seems/appears/are blatantly obvious thinly veiled digs, wrapped up in your usual faux emotive musings, that you put out there to sensationalise everything that opposes what you believe (which changes from one year to the next, depending on what's popular at the time). Whether that be politically or personally.
When you're pulled up on it it's always others that spectacularly miss the point, don't get it or they're just little Englanders that dont have the cranial capacity that you delude yourself as having. Another deluge of over the top emotion driven nonsense generally follows, usually aimed at the person that questions you, with the intention of slandering them or painting them as being the antichrist so that others won't intervene for fear of getting caught up in your narcissistic ranting.
I could well be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
Without doubt...this is the post of the year...superb.
If you enjoy cretinous hissy-fits of illiterate trolls then that's your prerogative. At least we know where you stand Chippy, with the spanners and not Charlton fans.
Wtf has it got to do with him being Millwall?
Well I will answer that.
When thinking about @Big_Bad_World 's fairly aggressive personal attack on @Fiiish I pondered something difficult to imagine, that I would go on a Millwall forum and attempt to join in on one their political threads. I know, I know, and indeed I would rather spend the afternoon pulling my own teeth out. However were I to go there, I think I would probably behave like a guest, and think twice before getting personal with an obvious stalwart of that forum.
Of course this is Charlton Life, a very liberal place, so BBW is free to write what and how he pleases, and we will all form our own conclusions on merit, as we do with each other. Personally I just would not visit another forum and write in the way I do here. I think it would be a bit presumptious to do so.
Nothing whatsoever to do with that. He was equating Chippy to Millwall fans because his view was similar to that of BBW.
No I clearly wasn't, I was disappointed that Chippy was joining in with a spanner troll posting unprovoked vile personal abuse at a fellow Addick.
On a serious note @PragueAddick my son and Czech girlfriend are visiting family in Prague over Xmas and are taking with them at the Czech family's request vast amounts of smoked bacon. Does said m&s Prague not sell this? Or is my son and girlfriend in contravention of Eu rules? Cue @NornIrishAddick for some detailed insight?
Frankly I am baffled, as not only does M&S sell its bacon here, but there is also a brilliant guy from the North of England who came out here in the mid 90s to set up a pig farm, and is now a successful butcher. I am getting the Christmas turkey, and the streaky to put on top, from him.
But I am also puzzled because the Czechs have their own idea of what is 'bacon", including one variant called "English bacon" which is about as English as Petr Cech. And they smoke everything and anything. Has his in-laws just fallen in love with English bacon, having tried it?
From my experience I doubt they will have any problem with taking it out there, and any problem would surely occur at the Prague end. In the earlier years I used to return here with a holdall full of fresh food that I could not buy here, and I never had any issue. I would stick it in the hold luggage though, it will stay cooler. I cannot imagine any EU regulation that would have anything to say about domestic quantities. Of course if the UK was still exporting mad cow disease local customs officials might be a bit lary.
If the in laws want to know about the butcher, let me know and I will pm you. Really nice guy with a nice success story.
Good to see our old friend chlorinated chicken is back.
As a side note to the story he writes that of the UK trade delegation sent to Washington earlier this year, 0 of the 27 sent by our government were experienced trade negotiators, against the 20 on the US side. We are so going to get our trousers pulled down in any future talks...
I think Brexiters still think we live in a world where we send a group of moustached diplomats in 3-piece suits to embassies in exotic locations, drink some sherry, play a game of cricket with the natives then return with a schooner laden with tea, furs and spices. At least that's the impression Boris and co give as they wander about singing racist nursery rhymes and referring to piccaninnies.
Were they all wearing Nazi uniforms, whilst goose stepping, as well?
No you're thinking of Nazis.
Apologies for misreading your sensationalism.
No I think you just spectacularly missed a very tongue-in-cheek post.
You think wrong. What you claim to be tongue in cheek seems/appears/are blatantly obvious thinly veiled digs, wrapped up in your usual faux emotive musings, that you put out there to sensationalise everything that opposes what you believe (which changes from one year to the next, depending on what's popular at the time). Whether that be politically or personally.
When you're pulled up on it it's always others that spectacularly miss the point, don't get it or they're just little Englanders that dont have the cranial capacity that you delude yourself as having. Another deluge of over the top emotion driven nonsense generally follows, usually aimed at the person that questions you, with the intention of slandering them or painting them as being the antichrist so that others won't intervene for fear of getting caught up in your narcissistic ranting.
I could well be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
Without doubt...this is the post of the year...superb.
If you enjoy cretinous hissy-fits of illiterate trolls then that's your prerogative. At least we know where you stand Chippy, with the spanners and not Charlton fans.
The most idiotic comment amongst all of them that you have ever made.
My apologies Chippy. How about I arrange for you to go on an 8 day river cruise as a peace offering? Here's my suggested route:
Nice there's only three places there i have never been too....too cold this time of year...still much prefer a thames one as will have to show my colleagues who are moving from there to the UK in 2020....
I hope they’ve started their application for a visa already
Good to see our old friend chlorinated chicken is back.
As a side note to the story he writes that of the UK trade delegation sent to Washington earlier this year, 0 of the 27 sent by our government were experienced trade negotiators, against the 20 on the US side. We are so going to get our trousers pulled down in any future talks...
I think Brexiters still think we live in a world where we send a group of moustached diplomats in 3-piece suits to embassies in exotic locations, drink some sherry, play a game of cricket with the natives then return with a schooner laden with tea, furs and spices. At least that's the impression Boris and co give as they wander about singing racist nursery rhymes and referring to piccaninnies.
Were they all wearing Nazi uniforms, whilst goose stepping, as well?
No you're thinking of Nazis.
Apologies for misreading your sensationalism.
No I think you just spectacularly missed a very tongue-in-cheek post.
You think wrong. What you claim to be tongue in cheek seems/appears/are blatantly obvious thinly veiled digs, wrapped up in your usual faux emotive musings, that you put out there to sensationalise everything that opposes what you believe (which changes from one year to the next, depending on what's popular at the time). Whether that be politically or personally.
When you're pulled up on it it's always others that spectacularly miss the point, don't get it or they're just little Englanders that dont have the cranial capacity that you delude yourself as having. Another deluge of over the top emotion driven nonsense generally follows, usually aimed at the person that questions you, with the intention of slandering them or painting them as being the antichrist so that others won't intervene for fear of getting caught up in your narcissistic ranting.
I could well be wrong, but it seems unlikely.
Without doubt...this is the post of the year...superb.
If you enjoy cretinous hissy-fits of illiterate trolls then that's your prerogative. At least we know where you stand Chippy, with the spanners and not Charlton fans.
Wtf has it got to do with him being Millwall?
Well I will answer that.
When thinking about @Big_Bad_World 's fairly aggressive personal attack on @Fiiish I pondered something difficult to imagine, that I would go on a Millwall forum and attempt to join in on one their political threads. I know, I know, and indeed I would rather spend the afternoon pulling my own teeth out. However were I to go there, I think I would probably behave like a guest, and think twice before getting personal with an obvious stalwart of that forum.
Of course this is Charlton Life, a very liberal place, so BBW is free to write what and how he pleases, and we will all form our own conclusions on merit, as we do with each other. Personally I just would not visit another forum and write in the way I do here. I think it would be a bit presumptious to do so.
Nothing whatsoever to do with that. He was equating Chippy to Millwall fans because his view was similar to that of BBW.
No I clearly wasn't, I was disappointed that Chippy was joining in with a spanner troll posting unprovoked vile personal abuse at a fellow Addick.
More emotive nonsense.
You wrote two full paragraphs of completely inaccurate petulant bawling, I don't think you get to call anything emotive nonsense.
Stilton and English Cheddar for me. None of that foreign muck.
While I have no doubt that you are purchasing only West Country Farmhouse Cheddar (the one with the handy PDO status) or the like, sourced from your local artisanal/hipster Cheesemonger, it is worth pointing out that significant quantities of Cheddar sold in the UK (roughly a third) are produced in Ireland.
And I'm not sure how, in the the course of an ordinary supermarket shopping experience (with the possible exception of M&S), even where Cheddar is clearly (and possibly even accurately) labelled as produced in the UK, it would be that easy to avoid Scottish, Welsh, or Northern Irish cheeses, unless you are to buy PDO varieties.
Luckily, for Stilton, because it has PDO status, all cheeses called Stilton must be made with local milk in either Derbyshire, Leicestershire or Nottinghamshire.
Very useful thing that PDO designation....
Somerset actually. The Stilton designation well predates the EU. In fact I am sure we had Stilton before Monsieur De Gaulle, Mitterrand and Kohl.
Somerset Cheddar is covered by the West Country Farmhouse Cheddar PDO designation.
Yes, the Stilton name predates the EU, as does that of Cheddar, but Stilton has PDO status, which means that only those blue cheeses meeting the criteria for that designation may be called Stilton which is why that, while you may buy Irish Cheddar, you can only buy Cashel Blue, rather than Irish Stilton.
It is something of considerable value to Stilton producers (and, I would expect, dairy farmers within the catchment area) because it allows them enhanced income.
PDO (and PGI) designation is an EU initiative and is very successful, some non-EU products are covered (for a mix of EEA and accession countries, for which I'm assuming that Turkey is still an aceession state).
Protection of PDO status products outside the EU is largely achieved through bilateral treaties arranged by the EU.
Whether it continues to be applicable to UK produce will, no doubt, be one of the issues on which the razor-sharp intellect of, that fanatic about detail, David Davis will currently be trained - I look forward to his inevitable glorious success in persuading the EU to do precisely what it always wanted to do in this part, as in the other elements, of the Article 50 negotiations after Christmas...
Ah but you are overlooking the fact that Mr Davis will have Doctor Liam Fox assisting with the Trade negotiations (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, cough, cough, brown envelopes).
Or “the disgraced former defence secretary, Dr Liam Fox” to give him his proper title.
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It's a shame the pasty didn't get the gig as Foreign Secretary really.
I'd say on this subject his comments appear spot on.
A Financial Times article, reprinted in the Irish Times today - making for interesting reading: https://irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-prepares-canada-style-trade-deal-due-to-lack-of-clarity-over-uk-s-brexit-demands-1.3335092.
I found the reference to "unicorn slaughter" interesting, but, then, I'm funny like that....
So that is the big question for 2018: either we agree a narrow deal on goods or we remain in the single market. Either we have a customs union or hard borders. How many more times do the EU have to state that there will be no deal on services (which is 80% of the UK economy) unless the UK looks to stay in the Single Market? For sure, members of the Cabinet want the prospect of regulatory divergence with associated duplication / barriers / extra costs but this cannot be the basis of a solid arrangement with the EU.
Her Majesty's opposition is lining up more and more behind the SM/CU option and that is where 70% of Labour and Lib Dem voters are. Labour and Lib Dem are close to 50% in the polls whereas a year ago Conservative + UKIP were at 55% whilst the centre left struggled to hit 40% back in 2016. We will see where the polls go. And also what the 12 remain Tories do - their votes are key and they have the ability to join with the opposition to stop a hard Brexit - perhaps more will join their number as 2018 brings clarity?
When thinking about @Big_Bad_World 's fairly aggressive personal attack on @Fiiish I pondered something difficult to imagine, that I would go on a Millwall forum and attempt to join in on one their political threads. I know, I know, and indeed I would rather spend the afternoon pulling my own teeth out. However were I to go there, I think I would probably behave like a guest, and think twice before getting personal with an obvious stalwart of that forum.
Of course this is Charlton Life, a very liberal place, so BBW is free to write what and how he pleases, and we will all form our own conclusions on merit, as we do with each other. Personally I just would not visit another forum and write in the way I do here. I think it would be a bit presumptious to do so.
You wrote Wtf has it got to do with him being Millwall?
and I understand "him" to be BBW and not Chippy. I was going to post my remarks about BBW's attack on Fishy anyway, but overall I accept it is all a diversion from the more serious issues of how swimmingly Brexit is going, so on we go...
Also can David Davis please stop calling it Canada plus plus plus, we are not children just one plus will do.
Oh, you mean EU regulations.
Actually, I don't.
At a guess, if the smoked bacon is produced within the EU, I would imagine that it should be okay (but then Irish people have a long and honpurable(ish) history of travelling with industrial quantities of sausages, bacon, Barry's/Lyons' Tea, and Toyto crisps whenever visiting family).
There may, however, be some raised eyebrows when bags are being scanned (and I would check the airline's advice).
There's a business opportunity there for someone.
But I am also puzzled because the Czechs have their own idea of what is 'bacon", including one variant called "English bacon" which is about as English as Petr Cech. And they smoke everything and anything. Has his in-laws just fallen in love with English bacon, having tried it?
From my experience I doubt they will have any problem with taking it out there, and any problem would surely occur at the Prague end. In the earlier years I used to return here with a holdall full of fresh food that I could not buy here, and I never had any issue. I would stick it in the hold luggage though, it will stay cooler. I cannot imagine any EU regulation that would have anything to say about domestic quantities. Of course if the UK was still exporting mad cow disease local customs officials might be a bit lary.
If the in laws want to know about the butcher, let me know and I will pm you. Really nice guy with a nice success story.
Good to see the government are concentrating on the really important matters