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The influence of the EU on Britain.
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My Dad's bigger than your Dad...Chippycafc said:
DittoAlgarveaddick said:
Poor effort.Chippycafc said:
After you...Algarveaddick said:
Keep digging...Chippycafc said:
Sure... I never ever mentioned the 350million...i am more concerned with the 900 billion euros that gets defrauded every year and the tax fiddles that are done and the eu does naff all about it.... Now that could build a few hospitals... One for each of us... Keep reading tabloid junk.Algarveaddick said:
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-statistics-authority-boss-disappointed-at-boris-johnsons-350m-nhs-claim-11040516Chippycafc said:
Paper that was a remoaner...Algarveaddick said:
This bloke claims he does - just said it again.Valiantphil said:
Who said we were staying "in" anything if we voted "leave".Fiiish said:Valiantphil said:
And what shall we tell the majority that voted for it on the basis that we would remain in the single market, customs union, and the NHS would get £350m a week?Algarveaddick said:
One of many, many, many reasons for cancelling Brexit, yes.Valiantphil said:
Ok then - my usual question.Algarveaddick said:Valiantphil said:
There were 2 hour queues at Barcelona airport this Summer.Algarveaddick said:
What - in France, Italy or Portugal? Doubt it, but it might happen.Valiantphil said:In 18 months you will be spending several days queuing at Customs having paid 25% more for your holiday as the government has yet to recruit and train airport security staff despite media reports they are already under-resourced.
What if there is a entry line that says " UK passports only" ?
It will be quicker than all the UK entry points that I have experienced in the last few years.
Yes, they are already under resourced (and we are still in the EU), so no change there then.
If the EU are not going to trade with us, then that's the M20 cleared of all the trucks for a start.
The Boeing issue is just a ploy for them to make a bid for Bombardier (IMO).
How long have those big corporations been avoiding tax through Lichtenstein/Lux etc ? - we get a Brexit vote and suddenly the EU goes all tax efficient. Could it be that they will need the dosh soon, as we won't be filling the coffers for them?
We have been outside the EU before, so we have had to deal with all the issues you raise.
I expect Boris to be telling you that any minute now...
So no change there.
Shall we cancel Brexit so that we don't have to queue so long at (e.g.) Poitiers airport ?
(I have used it many times - there is one guy for passports in one booth).
As for the £350m - who knows what the exact figure is ?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-repeats-false-350-11181716
When you are in a hole...
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/09/17/boris-johnson-slapped-down-by-statistics-chief-over-fresh-350m-c/
https://www.rt.com/uk/403618-johnson-brexit-statistics-claim/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4892268/The-BBC-accuses-Boris-LYING-350m-Brexit-claim.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4484553/bbc-accuses-boris-johnson-of-misleading-public-when-he-says-we-can-spend-350m-more-per-week-on-the-nhs-after-brexit/
Is there enough room for both of you in that hole
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The time is coming for the pro-Europe Tories to put the country before their party. The talks with the EU have become a farce and the likely outcome is we will leave without a deal.1
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4637094/two-tory-meps-suspended-from-the-party-after-voting-to-block-britains-progress-in-brexit-talks/
Is it also time for those MEPs from both parties who voted in the European Parliament last week against trade talks with the UK starting to also put their country first?1 -
The sad thing is it's entirely plausible that they think that they are putting their country first. That they actually believe May's banal "No deal is better than a bad deal" and believe talks will inevitably lead to a bad deal.Southbank said:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4637094/two-tory-meps-suspended-from-the-party-after-voting-to-block-britains-progress-in-brexit-talks/
Is it also time for those MEPs from both parties who voted in the European Parliament last week against trade talks with the UK starting to also put their country first?
Of course it's also plausible that they have one of many other personal political reasons for voting the way they did.2 -
Most of the 20 are Labour so I imagine it is a mixture of being anti-Brexit in the first place and also wanting to stay on the Euro gravy train for as long as possible.randy andy said:
The sad thing is it's entirely plausible that they think that they are putting their country first. That they actually believe May's banal "No deal is better than a bad deal" and believe talks will inevitably lead to a bad deal.Southbank said:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4637094/two-tory-meps-suspended-from-the-party-after-voting-to-block-britains-progress-in-brexit-talks/
Is it also time for those MEPs from both parties who voted in the European Parliament last week against trade talks with the UK starting to also put their country first?
Of course it's also plausible that they have one of many other personal political reasons for voting the way they did.
Whichever, it is a disgrace that they are actively sabotaging the trade talks. The only beneficiaries of continual delay on the talks are the French and others who are using the extra time to encourage businesses to move out of the UK. Perhaps the constituents of these MEPs would like to ask why they are sabotaging the UK economy.4 -
There not sabotaging anything, if anyone sabotaged our future hopes of a trade deal, it's May and her government who are still negotiating with themselves, before they let the EU know. We're leaving, it's the EU job to work out what we want, how we want to get there and how we intend to solve the problems we're creating.Southbank said:
Most of the 20 are Labour so I imagine it is a mixture of being anti-Brexit in the first place and also wanting to stay on the Euro gravy train for as long as possible.randy andy said:
The sad thing is it's entirely plausible that they think that they are putting their country first. That they actually believe May's banal "No deal is better than a bad deal" and believe talks will inevitably lead to a bad deal.Southbank said:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4637094/two-tory-meps-suspended-from-the-party-after-voting-to-block-britains-progress-in-brexit-talks/
Is it also time for those MEPs from both parties who voted in the European Parliament last week against trade talks with the UK starting to also put their country first?
Of course it's also plausible that they have one of many other personal political reasons for voting the way they did.
Whichever, it is a disgrace that they are actively sabotaging the trade talks. The only beneficiaries of continual delay on the talks are the French and others who are using the extra time to encourage businesses to move out of the UK. Perhaps the constituents of these MEPs would like to ask why they are sabotaging the UK economy.4 -
I think you will find the EU's job is to do nothing for as long as possible in order to extort as much money from us as possible while allowing France and others in the meantime to create incentives for UK businesses to move to the EU.Rothko said:
There not sabotaging anything, if anyone sabotaged our future hopes of a trade deal, it's May and her government who are still negotiating with themselves, before they let the EU know. We're leaving, it's the EU job to work out what we want, how we want to get there and how we intend to solve the problems we're creating.Southbank said:
Most of the 20 are Labour so I imagine it is a mixture of being anti-Brexit in the first place and also wanting to stay on the Euro gravy train for as long as possible.randy andy said:
The sad thing is it's entirely plausible that they think that they are putting their country first. That they actually believe May's banal "No deal is better than a bad deal" and believe talks will inevitably lead to a bad deal.Southbank said:https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4637094/two-tory-meps-suspended-from-the-party-after-voting-to-block-britains-progress-in-brexit-talks/
Is it also time for those MEPs from both parties who voted in the European Parliament last week against trade talks with the UK starting to also put their country first?
Of course it's also plausible that they have one of many other personal political reasons for voting the way they did.
Whichever, it is a disgrace that they are actively sabotaging the trade talks. The only beneficiaries of continual delay on the talks are the French and others who are using the extra time to encourage businesses to move out of the UK. Perhaps the constituents of these MEPs would like to ask why they are sabotaging the UK economy.
May and her government should be saying we are gone. We offer the EU tariff free trade for two years so they can decide what future trade deals they want with us and we get on with tackling our bigger domestic economic problems.
The ridiculous thing as that everybody is saying that the real; problem for business is lack of certainty, and then the Government asks for another two years of transition (ie uncertainty) -go figure!4 -
Didn't Davies sign up to agreeing the three principles over the summer. The fact is, we haven't agreed them. Not sure how May can say the ball in in the EU's court - it is in our court!2
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The court is locked. The EU team has turned up in immaculate whites. Theresa is busy trying to find a ladder to get a manky ball off the clubhouse roof. David Davis is at the wrong club. Boris is busy trying to find a young American partner for the mixed doubles and has mistaken a man with an orange tan and an unconvincing wig as a suitable partner. Nigel Farage is insisting play resumes as soon as possible. Tennis means tennis he keeps repeating.2
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Exactly, the EU set the rules, we agreed, and now we're complaining we can't do anything because we want the EU to do the work for us.MuttleyCAFC said:Didn't Davies sign up to agreeing the three principles over the summer. The fact is, we haven't agreed them. Not sure how May can say the ball in in the EU's court - it is in our court!
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You couldn't make it up - but all this EU bending backwards to accomodate us and of course we will stay in the single market nonsense we were given by most of the Brexiters leading up to the referendum - they can all be quoted - means for me that if talks break down and a hard Brexit is clearly happening, another vote is needed. Our costs (my business) have already nearly doubled since Brexit and I'm sure many businesses will say similar. I couldn't give two proverbials about little Englander pensioners who have nothing to lose in all of this. They are to blame for this as every other group mostly voted to remain!Rothko said:
Exactly, the EU set the rules, we agreed, and now we're complaining we can't do anything because we want the EU to do the work for us.MuttleyCAFC said:Didn't Davies sign up to agreeing the three principles over the summer. The fact is, we haven't agreed them. Not sure how May can say the ball in in the EU's court - it is in our court!
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Your costs have doubled lol. Project fear continues.0
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Not sure how a businessman stating a fact can be project fear!1
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What costs would they be then Mr businessman?0
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Raw materials are purchased via Europe - Holland and Germany mostly. I was checking invoices the other day and was shocked just how much the prices have gone up. What do you do for a living?0
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Not sure it is really appropriate to 'lol' another Lifer's business struggling. It's bang out of order actually.Astoriaaddick said:Your costs have doubled lol. Project fear continues.
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When May talked about entrepreneurs in her conference speech I nearly broke the TV!!!:)0
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It's a bit of myth this 'party of business'. It should be party of bending over and taking it up the backside for big businessMuttleyCAFC said:When May talked about entrepreneurs in her conference speech I nearly broke the TV!!!:)
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You are being ripped off mate. They must have seen you coming. I am a procurement director and have seen no cost rises above the exchange rate changes, about 12%. Didn't you challenge the increases?MuttleyCAFC said:Raw materials are purchased via Europe - Holland and Germany mostly. I was checking invoices the other day and was shocked just how much the prices have gone up. What do you do for a living?
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No, we have had to source items elswhere Mr genius procurement director, but they are still more expensive. And some things we have to get from those suppliers. We have even tried China, but got stung there because the quality was crap! Oh and we got hit with import taxes that cost more than the worth of the product. Welcome to going down the pan Britain. Sorry for my tone, but you started it.
Glad your company is doing ok - I seriously am. I don't think it is funny. We are still in business but no thanks to this government!0 -
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It is a myth but I’ve always thought politicians of any colour are there first and foremost to remain there.cabbles said:
It's a bit of myth this 'party of business'. It should be party of bending over and taking it up the backside for big businessMuttleyCAFC said:When May talked about entrepreneurs in her conference speech I nearly broke the TV!!!:)
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I am surprised you are still going if you have had your costs double. They really are ripping it out of you, your European friends.1
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Are you really that sad or is it just a persona? Fortunately for us, we are a design business and web design business too. Costs from EU manufacturing side have doubled - we have sourced a lot elsewhere but still at higher cost. Anyway, I think I have given enough information of my busines accounts, do you want to detail how great it is in procurement at the moment?0
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Everything is going fine in my area. Why have your costs doubled then? Have you asked your suppliers?1
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I am not going to go through my whole business with you - do you think we just say -ok - thanks! Give me all the details of how the pound is not affecting your business. On second thoughts just leave it. I have spent too long today with problems including companies that think it is ok to wait over 2 months to pay us to have the energy!0
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LOL from the FT letters page.
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If we are going to talk about jobs, on a weekly basis I see reports from fund managers on the performance of their funds. Brexit is normally mentioned and it is always referred to as having a negative impact on capital growth. Another part of my role is monitoring FX volumes. Needless to say the EUR/GBP does not paint a pretty picture as far as confidence in Sterling goes. The usual response to this from the Brexit lobby is that it makes our exports more competitive. That fails to take into account that our imports far outweigh our exports and much of our exports relies on the import of materials in the first place. It has always been the prevailing view that the pound needs to remain strong in order to maintain this our economy.1
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The author of that letter forgot to also lament the abolishment of slavery in the US.A-R-T-H-U-R said:LOL from the FT letters page.
Letter of the year my arse. Never read such total bollocks outside of a Brexit referendum leaflet.
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If we are heading for a hard Brexit I suspect there will be another referendum to vote on the deal or more accurately lack of a deal for the following reasons:
1. there is no Commons majority for May’s version of Brexit let alone a hard one. A stronger representation of remain MPs are in parliament today than before the election.
2 Labour’s electoral gains raise the question of whether the decision in the 2016 referendum is final: for, although Labour was not a remain party, the British Election Study found that the party’s “soft Brexit” policy played a large part in its substantial gain in votes. In constituencies where over 55% voted remain, the party achieved a swing of around 7%. The revenge of the remainers.
3 If the eventual deal is too “hard”, Conservative remainers may join with their opposition counterparts to defeat it; if too “soft”, Tory Eurosceptics could ensure its rejection. There may be no majority for any of the forms of Brexit on offer, with the Commons deadlocked.
4 The House of Lords – in which the pro-remain Liberal Democrats and crossbenchers hold the balance of power, and the proportion of remainers is even higher than in the Commons – will feel justified in rejecting a hard Brexit, arguing that a minority government has no mandate for it.
With the conditions above in parliament and the ever likely possibility of an unfavourable deal and both parties so deeply divided on Europe, it can only be that the only way out is a second referendum in which the government’s deal is put it to the people to decide.0 -
You know your facts but I am astonished that the price of raw materials have doubled since the Brexit vote.MuttleyCAFC said:Raw materials are purchased via Europe - Holland and Germany mostly. I was checking invoices the other day and was shocked just how much the prices have gone up. What do you do for a living?
I work in international trade and have seen no evidence of a doubling in prices.
However it is your business and you know your data better than me.2
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