Now we know where @LoOkOuT and @AFKABartram have been spending all our premium service CL and access to other people's inbox fees.
Surely that's being ploughed back into the site to make it a category one forum? You, know, one where a moderator cant just close a thread on a whim.
That's what they say but where are the promised improvements? Lol and like options to massage Admin egos (can't flag them though) but the interactive services, blogs and streaming they promised three years ago are nowhere to be seen.
That does seem a it too coincidental to be false, what other clubs in England have even been subject to rumours recently? I'm sure RD would keep Stayen and milk the real estate without having to fund the club itself. Sounds possible.
The other question is why would Roland want to keep the ground? He may be able to extract rent, but that would take him decades to do as any higher rent would surely drive an owner to seek a new ground. He can't develop commercially like he has at St Truiden as the Valley isn't in a city centre location where leisure/business premises make sense, it's in a residential side street. And as mentioned many time, access is a major problem for any sort of redevelopment and there for an expensive problem to solve, thus removing any profit from potential developments.
The only possible reason to keep the ground is either to spite the fans and/or as security against future payments contingent on football success. That being the case, charging a high rent would go against his own interests as it would materially harm changes of on-field success that would lead him seeing some of his money back. I can't see how he could possibly charge in rent any more than the bare minimum interest on the money he has "loaned" the club, so in essence he wouldn't be getting any of his money back.
Thanks, this is the point I am trying to make. If Duchatelet is planning on keeping the Valley to be spiteful, he won't be able to sell. A clever buyer will offer a chance of a return for a VERY reasonable rent!
At the risk of over stating things, leaving the Valley would be insane, as would uncoupling the ground from the club. Given the recent history of CARD and the slightly more ancient history of the Valley Party, surely any new owner who wishes to rebuild needs to be including the Valley as part of the deal. Remember that Kat said they wouldn't talk to Varney's investor precisely because the proposal was to leave the Valley (a lie, I know, but you get sentiment).
This all reminds me of the sainsbury takeover bid and the Harris rumours. Seems like some ones leaked the info to flush some one out, certainly to encourage others to bid or up their bidding.
I'd also think that the valley would usually be part of a takeover deal, the only real reason is AFC not having the funds for the valley.
I've read a few times that Charlton is The Valley. I have to disagree, although don't get me wrong I do understand the sentiment.
The Valley was the third home ground for me as a Charlton fan. 1st was Selhurst, 2nd Upton and then The Valley. My love affair with Charlton happened after a 3-0 loss to Arsenal at Selhurst.
Is The Valley important, oh yes. My dad's brick is there outside the main stand and is one of the last things I have to hold onto of him. But is it Charlton? I'd say we are bigger than that.
The Aussie group has ambition. Has set targets. So I would be happy with that to move the club forward. The Valley as a home ground, owned or rented is fine. But we are bigger than the ground alone.
Well, OK, in what way bigger? If the Valley was too small for us, or too dilapidated I could start to at least consider that proposition. But for most of the time I have been supporting Charlton (since 1962) the Valley has been too big for the ambitions of the club. It was of course dilapidated for much of that time, but no longer, and how many other fans' favourite stories of their club are as closely tied to their ground as ours?
There is no good business case that I can see for leasing the Valley from Duchatelet, still less at this time for moving stadia. Unless of course you want us to downsize to permanently reflect our reduced on-pitch status.
Finally I am interested to learn that you started supporting the club at Selhurst. It might explain your perspective but you are in a small minority. We recruited very few new fans in those dismal five years. Most fans are either old enough to remember the old Valley, or were recruited in the post Selhurst uptunr.
I also started supporting the club when we were at Selhurst, it was that bad at school you would know all the Charlton fans on a first name basis whatever year they were in. Literally a handful of us. I also watched us at Upton Park but I knew from the fact that my Dad had us at The Valley by 12pm for the Portsmouth game just how much The Valley meant to him and Charlton.
For me the only way we should consider leaving The Valley is if there are investors serious enough out there to not only get us to The Premier League but be able to keep us there more often than not and build a ground able to expand to 40,000. And even should that ever happen the club and ground should never be seperated.
I seem to have missed something. Has solid evidence emerged that this is more than a rumour?
Read the first two posts.
I don't trust the Daily Mail!
Well Mark Schwarzer was quizzed about it and he didn't deny it.
He played it down though, said the consortium had been looking at a few clubs. He didn't seem to know much about it.
I think he was just trying to play Charlton down as he can't really say anything if it's on going, the fact he did not say no and how it was clear he was being very careful to what he said said it all for me
Picked this up from FB this morning, it was posted about 11 hours ago, make of it what you will, I have no idea if true or a WUM or just wishful thinking-:
I had a phone call today from my ex brother in law but it is all hear say, there is definitely something going on and it is not the aussie s, all the players that are on our wage bill abroad have gone. Robbo and Barker are looking for new jobs and cafc are recruiting for senior management jobs in have heard that from several people But who is buying us it is being kept very quite but I have heard it is very close my quess it is one of two red bull or the kuwaits but as I said it is a quess.
I seem to have missed something. Has solid evidence emerged that this is more than a rumour?
Read the first two posts.
I don't trust the Daily Mail!
Well Mark Schwarzer was quizzed about it and he didn't deny it.
He played it down though, said the consortium had been looking at a few clubs. He didn't seem to know much about it.
I think he was just trying to play Charlton down as he can't really say anything if it's on going, the fact he did not say no and how it was clear he was being very careful to what he said said it all for me
Picked this up from FB this morning, it was posted about 11 hours ago, make of it what you will, I have no idea if true or a WUM or just wishful thinking-:
I had a phone call today from my ex brother in law but it is all hear say, there is definitely something going on and it is not the aussie s, all the players that are on our wage bill abroad have gone. Robbo and Barker are looking for new jobs and cafc are recruiting for senior management jobs in have heard that from several people But who is buying us it is being kept very quite but I have heard it is very close my quess it is one of two red bull or the kuwaits but as I said it is a quess.
I wonder if Red Bull have the dough to afford The Valley......
He played it down though, said the consortium had been looking at a few clubs. He didn't seem to know much about it.
I think he was just trying to play Charlton down as he can't really say anything if it's on going, the fact he did not say no and how it was clear he was being very careful to what he said said it all for me
Precisely.
If they were not interested they would have said. Possibly, but what I'm wondering is this: what evidence has anyone seen to convince them that this is happening? I haven't seen any, but I suppose all will be revealed in the fullness of time.
Picked this up from FB this morning, it was posted about 11 hours ago, make of it what you will, I have no idea if true or a WUM or just wishful thinking-:
I had a phone call today from my ex brother in law but it is all hear say, there is definitely something going on and it is not the aussie s, all the players that are on our wage bill abroad have gone. Robbo and Barker are looking for new jobs and cafc are recruiting for senior management jobs in have heard that from several people But who is buying us it is being kept very quite but I have heard it is very close my quess it is one of two red bull or the kuwaits but as I said it is a quess.
Picked this up from FB this morning, it was posted about 11 hours ago, make of it what you will, I have no idea if true or a WUM or just wishful thinking-:
I had a phone call today from my ex brother in law but it is all hear say, there is definitely something going on and it is not the aussie s, all the players that are on our wage bill abroad have gone. Robbo and Barker are looking for new jobs and cafc are recruiting for senior management jobs in have heard that from several people But who is buying us it is being kept very quite but I have heard it is very close my quess it is one of two red bull or the kuwaits but as I said it is a quess.
Seen this guy's stuff on Facebook before.
Lots of words, no substance.
Ok @Henry Irving thanks for that, like I said I wasn't sure but thought it worth posting.
Picked this up from FB this morning, it was posted about 11 hours ago, make of it what you will, I have no idea if true or a WUM or just wishful thinking-:
I had a phone call today from my ex brother in law but it is all hear say, there is definitely something going on and it is not the aussie s, all the players that are on our wage bill abroad have gone. Robbo and Barker are looking for new jobs and cafc are recruiting for senior management jobs in have heard that from several people But who is buying us it is being kept very quite but I have heard it is very close my quess it is one of two red bull or the kuwaits but as I said it is a quess.
If the Aussies leaked it I can only think it was to let other clubs they are talking to know they are speaking with us and focus their minds. Would not surprise me to see them buy QPR or something in the next couple of weeks.
I am afraid that having RD as an owner of the ground, really does worry me. I appreciate that it might make a 'deal' with a lease back arrangement dependent on future years more viable. But I have little regard for this owner in being a reasonable landlord, or being anything more than seeing this as a business deal, and therefore will only pursue the dollar\pound \euro.
I would never say never move from the Valley for the benefit of the club. But for me it would not be something that I would sign up to. To me playing somewhere else would break my ties and bonds with the club. I would see it as a team called Charlton playing in Essex\Dartford?, wherever. Of course it is a partly irrational logic, but then I was born in Charlton, and although I moved away myself I am afraid it would simply be non negotiable.
I have yet to hear the business case, or even a sound business model to this new Jerusalem, although I am sure some individual could draft up a 'powerpoint presentation' and tell us all of compelling wonderland, wether it be a rich Arab Sheik, or Bill Gate's with his billions.
Not really Charlton though is it?...... well not for me anyway.
From the Oxbridge English Dictionary. Quess - to seek an answer but then give best guess when you don't really know it. First used in 2004 by the setters of Libor rates. Thought to be derived from an amalgamation of guess (to make an estimate) and quest (a mission to find out the truth).
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Don't think Duchatelet would Sell STTV, he's only recently just bought them back!
Had it been Ujpest or alcorcon then possibly
I'd also think that the valley would usually be part of a takeover deal, the only real reason is AFC not having the funds for the valley.
For me the only way we should consider leaving The Valley is if there are investors serious enough out there to not only get us to The Premier League but be able to keep us there more often than not and build a ground able to expand to 40,000. And even should that ever happen the club and ground should never be seperated.
I had a phone call today from my ex brother in law but it is all hear say, there is definitely something going on and it is not the aussie s, all the players that are on our wage bill abroad have gone. Robbo and Barker are looking for new jobs and cafc are recruiting for senior management jobs in have heard that from several people But who is buying us it is being kept very quite but I have heard it is very close my quess it is one of two red bull or the kuwaits but as I said it is a quess.
If they were not interested they would have said.
He played it down though, said the consortium had been looking at a few clubs. He didn't seem to know much about it.
I think he was just trying to play Charlton down as he can't really say anything if it's on going, the fact he did not say no and how it was clear he was being very careful to what he said said it all for me
Precisely.
If they were not interested they would have said.
Possibly, but what I'm wondering is this: what evidence has anyone seen to convince them that this is happening? I haven't seen any, but I suppose all will be revealed in the fullness of time.
Lots of words, no substance.
I would never say never move from the Valley for the benefit of the club. But for me it would not be something that I would sign up to. To me playing somewhere else would break my ties and bonds with the club. I would see it as a team called Charlton playing in Essex\Dartford?, wherever. Of course it is a partly irrational logic, but then I was born in Charlton, and although I moved away myself I am afraid it would simply be non negotiable.
I have yet to hear the business case, or even a sound business model to this new Jerusalem, although I am sure some individual could draft up a 'powerpoint presentation' and tell us all of compelling wonderland, wether it be a rich Arab Sheik, or Bill Gate's with his billions.
Not really Charlton though is it?...... well not for me anyway.